Obama XVII: Do You Take Your Tea Party with One Sugar or Two?

[Patman]

Re: Obama XVII: Do You Take Your Tea Party with One Sugar or Two?

Health Care is like abortion. The last thing Republicans want is for it to be repealed. They'll just fulminate against it forever; it's a magical vote machine. The great thing about it is even if it works health care will still be expensive and people will always think it's to blame, so it's evergreen.

It only serves to remind me that you care about this only as far as it affects your culture and whether not it helps or harms Americans.

 

[geezer]

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He doesn't back down from questions or his convictions.

No, I know. I meant, how can you tell if he's standing up, he's shorter than Ryan Duncan...

 

[Bakunin]

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The easiest shots across the bow would be for the big players to merely sit on the sidelines during the Treasury auctions

The money will likely shift to higher-yielding bonds in other countries whose economies are growing faster than ours. Failing that, inflation will be the trump card in all of this. We are quite literally on borrowed time.

 

[Tundra]

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The money will likely shift to higher-yielding bonds in other countries whose economies are growing faster than ours. Failing that, inflation will be the trump card in all of this. We are quite literally on borrowed time.

Yeah looks like Fed is just printing money now since they can't lower the rates anymore. I guess this will be a derivative synthetic lowering of the rates. printing IOU with one hand and buying it with the other hand. Hey if no one buys our treasury our Federal Reserve "Bank" will.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Fed-w...2.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=7&asset=&ccode=

The Federal Reserve will sink $600 billion into government bonds in a bold plan that it hopes will drive interest rates even lower than they already are and start the chain reaction that finally creates jobs and invigorates the economy.

The Fed said Wednesday that it would buy the bonds at a rate of about $75 billion a month through the middle of next year. The idea is to encourage people to spend more money and stimulate hiring, both ways of accelerating economic growth.

 

[Sar'nt]

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It only serves to remind me that you care about this only as far as it affects your culture and whether not it helps or harms Americans.

Umm, no, that's not what he's saying. That is, however, what he is saying about Republicans.

 

[MaizeRage]

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Michelle Bachman has no clue what she is talking about half the time.

I've got to give her credit. Last night, she was able to name five of the six counties she's actually supposed to represent, which is way more than I would have guessed. Although she also apparently thought Bloomington was in her district since that's where she set up her HQ last night, even though it's not. And later on in the evening, she actually slummed it a little by doing a local news interview, after telling them earlier in the evening that she would only do national interviews. I guess her army of PR flacks must have started celebrating a little too early or something.

 

[Kepler]

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It only serves to remind me that you care about this only as far as it affects your culture and whether not it helps or harms Americans.

I see what you did there, but I'm pretty sure everybody else noticed the discussion was about what the Republican Party strategy is, not what a given person's principles are.

And if you think the GOP sets their issue stances based on public good and principle rather than party political gain, I have some "Health Care Reform" to sell you.

You should stick to a medium where those distraction tactics work. High school debate club, maybe, or CPAC.

 

[BassAle]

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What about this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maine_Republican_caucuses,_2008

ok (replying very late), so I wasn't remembering correctly (I've only ever participated in one presidential primary, since I did not belong to either party prior to 2008, and I will probably unroll from my current party) the Maine Republicans do caucus for their presidential primary, but I'm pretty sure each town's electors are picked by popular vote for a candidate. The Democrats have a caucus in each town to chose electors to send to the state convention.

 

[amherstblackbear]

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So did McConnell follow through on the whole "eliminating Obama is job 1" speech?

I'm still trying to figure it out. Supposedly, the justification is that, since Obama wants to be elected, it's no different for McConnell not to want Obama reelected.

But that's not really the right analogy, is it? The accurate analogy would be for Obama to abandon policy for 2 years, try to outmaneuver House Republicans (gov't shutdown, etc), and get the public to turn on Boehner and the new freshmen GOP.

That's not going to happen. The Dem candidate who could have played that game is sitting at State.

 

[ScottM]

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I've got to give her credit. Last night, she was able to name five of the six counties she's actually supposed to represent, which is way more than I would have guessed.

It helps when you write the county names on each finger.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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So did McConnell follow through on the whole "eliminating Obama is job 1" speech?

I'm still trying to figure it out. Supposedly, the justification is that, since Obama wants to be elected, it's no different for McConnell not to want Obama reelected.

But that's not really the right analogy, is it? The accurate analogy would be for Obama to abandon policy for 2 years, try to outmaneuver House Republicans (gov't shutdown, etc), and get the public to turn on Boehner and the new freshmen GOP.

That's not going to happen. The Dem candidate who could have played that game is sitting at State.

I don't know if he held a speech but it is common knowledge that he said that. He accomplished his goal for this past two years which was NEVER to work with Democrats on any legislation and to stall as much (including appointments to positions in govt.) as he could the last two years.

Hillary has more balls than Obama does. Obama's a wimp.

 

[WeWantMore]

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So did McConnell follow through on the whole "eliminating Obama is job 1" speech?

I'm still trying to figure it out. Supposedly, the justification is that, since Obama wants to be elected, it's no different for McConnell not to want Obama reelected.

But that's not really the right analogy, is it? The accurate analogy would be for Obama to abandon policy for 2 years, try to outmaneuver House Republicans (gov't shutdown, etc), and get the public to turn on Boehner and the new freshmen GOP.

That's not going to happen. The Dem candidate who could have played that game is sitting at State.

I haven't heard what the final outcome was, but isn't there a pretty decent element of "No s***" to that statement?

 

[mookie1995]

It helps when you write the county names on each finger.

Imagine all the scribbles if she had a district like PA12

 

[Kepler]

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Hillary has more balls than Obama does. Obama's a wimp.

It isn't as if anything Obama could do would affect the GOP in any way -- they have been about overturning the 2008 election since the day it happened. This is an attempt at framing that Obama is willing to compromise to get the country's business done while the GOP is strutting like a Brooklyn pimp. The GOP Arsenio chant is fun for their base, but it's going to ring hollow with moderates in 18 months when they've done nothing. Then the fight will be about whose fault that is.

This was the first speech of the 2012 election season.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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It isn't as if anything Obama could do would affect the GOP in any way -- they have been about overturning the 2008 election since the day it happened. This is an attempt at framing that Obama is willing to compromise to get the country's business done while the GOP is strutting like a Brooklyn pimp. The GOP Arsenio chant is fun for their base, but it's going to ring hollow with moderates in 18 months when they've done nothing. Then the fight will be about whose fault that is.

This was the first speech of the 2012 election season.

In 1936 FDR faced the same circumstances and he handled it much differently. Maybe that wouldn't work now, I don't know, but the way FDR handled it would sure sit better with me.

 

[joecct]

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It isn't as if anything Obama could do would affect the GOP in any way -- they have been about overturning the 2008 election since the day it happened. This is an attempt at framing that Obama is willing to compromise to get the country's business done while the GOP is strutting like a Brooklyn pimp. The GOP Arsenio chant is fun for their base, but it's going to ring hollow with moderates in 18 months when they've done nothing. Then the fight will be about whose fault that is.

This was the first speech of the 2012 election season.

The people have spoken. The election is over (for the most part).
I'll hug my elephant
You can kiss your donkey.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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In 1936 FDR faced the same circumstances and he handled it much differently. Maybe that wouldn't work now, I don't know, but the way FDR handled it would sure sit better with me.

Well, you have to remember that in 1934 the Republicans didn't change control of congress away from the President.

 

[WeWantMore]

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Alan Grayson seems to be in the Scooby camp.

 

[Patman]

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Alan Grayson seems to be in the Scooby camp.

Its amazing this camp exists... the country was on the edge on ObamaCare... if they pushed harder this nation would have been boiling over. They are so certain in their beliefs and that people will celebrate them for it... one hell of a feedback loop for sure... but when you realize so many never step out of the cocoon its understandable and frightening.

Had the Dems "pushed harder" they may have gotten in their agenda slate... it may never have been repealed... WHICH IS NOT A GOOD THING... but instead of a "bad" 2010 it would have been "cataclysmic". The mistake Obama and the Dems made was believing they were primed for a mandate for the whole socialist panel of beliefs. The message of 2008 was "we want somebody who is smarter than Bush"... Obama convinced them of that by acting based on image... remember "hope and change"... "hope" that he won't be Bush and hope in an ethereal greatness "change" to a brighter future and tomorrow... hell of a lot of substance. They went in wholesale for the appearance of intelligence and credibility and he marched in with a group of ethically lapsed humans and ideologues. Problem in the end, its still humans and you can't wish a new reality no matter how much you try or believe your king can do it.

People wanted new ideas because of they wanted to believe... the problem is the ideas they posed have been terrible... and they actually made a few of those into law by subterfuge. Remember that, they had to lie and obfuscate to make their ideas law... and they think if they pushed harder they would have done better? Sounds like "its not the ideas that are wrong, we're just not mean enough"... or what was it that the SEIU said "we believe in the power of persuasion and if that doesn't work we believe in the persuasion of power".

Scooby... is that what you want... I bet that's what Grayson is looking for... "we're right, get the hell out of my way".

 

[Sar'nt]

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The mistake Obama and the Dems made was believing they were primed for a mandate for the whole socialist panel of beliefs.

Oh, boy, another person with no effing clue of what socialism is.

he marched in with a group of ethically lapsed humans and ideologues.

Except that he didn't. There were few, if any, ideologues in his adminstration. That's why he hasn't gotten things done the way he thought he could.

Remember that, they had to lie and obfuscate to make their ideas law...

Now you're just being silly.