Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!

[Old Pio]

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Personally, I like Juan Williams. I think he's great. Basically just left of center, maybe more. But what he said that resulted in his firing isn't that ridiculous. It's human nature.

This has not enhanced NPR's already rock bottom reputation (except among the fever swampers). Mr. Williams merely stated a personal reaction, he didn't defend it nor suggest others should react the same way. In fact, he was at pains to explain we shouldn't blame all Muslims for the actions and attitudes of a few. Who can argue? Obviously the pinkos who run NPR.

The larger problem here is the abject terror which has taken root in newsrooms everywhere. They are afraid that they'll be the victims of violence if they "offend" Islamists. For instance, Yale University Press deleted the "offensive" cartoons from a book about the controversy! And you can hardly blame them, given the track record of these savages--who kill or threaten to kill anyone who "offends" them. And wouldn't you know it, they're about the most easily offended people on the planet. Hmmmm. Who could have anticipated that?

As if anything could make this worse: these media types won't simply admit they're afraid. Instead they wrap their gutlessness in high sounding platitudes about being "fair" to Islam, when it's perfectly obvious they wouldn't have any concerns about slamming Christianity or Judiasm under identical circumstances. Maybe because the Pope doesn't believe in fatwas. Or Rabbi Kahane is dead. Bit by bit we're losing our first amendment rights--all because these 8th century troglodytes can't stand the truth about themselves and their beliefs and we're too fearful to confront them.

 

[amherstblackbear]

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Nobody does fear like Fox.

 

[Old Pio]

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What does the first amendment have to do with this?

In a legal sense (whch is evidently very close to your cold, cold heart) nothing. However, liberals always give great lip service to the first amendment and "speaking truth to power" and all of their other platitudinous crapola. The exceptions, of course, are for people with whom they disagree. It is liberals who want to stifle conservative voices in the media. To bring back the "unfairness" doctirne. I'm not aware of conservatives who want to silence Mr. Olbermann or Mr. Maddow. They simple watch something else. Pretty good advice for libs who spend every waking hour obsessing about Sarah Palin or Glenn Beck or whoever. Just change the channel. Works for me.

 

[Old Pio]

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Nobody does fear like Fox.

So stop watching, and worrying, and fretting. You'll sleep better.

 

[amherstblackbear]

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That's well and good. And I agree on Beck and Palin. You ever see me quoting them?

The Williams thing is just business. Fox sells fear. If you don't believe me, then believe the market. It's not random chance that firms like Survival Seeds, Inc advertise there.

So why on Earth *would* Fox have a problem with a little fearmongering? They wouldn't. That's their prerogative. A different organization with a different editorial bent may come to different conclusions. It has nothing to do with protecting speech. There's tons of speech that Fox wouldn't want anything to do with. That's fine, too.

Again, it's just business. Nothing to see here. $.02

 

[joecct]

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In a legal sense (whch is evidently very close to your cold, cold heart) nothing. However, liberals always give great lip service to the first amendment and "speaking truth to power" and all of their other platitudinous crapola. The exceptions, of course, are for people with whom they disagree. It is liberals who want to stifle conservative voices in the media. To bring back the "unfairness" doctirne. I'm not aware of conservatives who want to silence Mr. Olbermann or Mr. Maddow. They simple watch something else. Pretty good advice for libs who spend every waking hour obsessing about Sarah Palin or Glenn Beck or whoever. Just change the channel. Works for me.

+1

 

[Old Pio]

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That's well and good. And I agree on Beck and Palin. You ever see me quoting them?

The Williams thing is just business. Fox sells fear. If you don't believe me, then believe the market. It's not random chance that firms like Survival Seeds, Inc advertise there.

So why on Earth *would* Fox have a problem with a little fearmongering? They wouldn't. That's their prerogative. A different organization with a different editorial bent may come to different conclusions. It has nothing to do with protecting speech. There's tons of speech that Fox wouldn't want anything to do with. That's fine, too.

Again, it's just business. Nothing to see here. $.02

You're right, it is all about business. What does that have to do with NPR firing a guy for having an opinion they don't like? This isn't the SS we're talking about here, it's a liberal radio service partially funded by taxpayers (who aren't given a choice in the matter). If you want to defend them that's you're business. But don't pizz in my ear and tell me it's raining. Williams got a little too far off the plantation to suit them and they fired him. And I'm pretty sure there are some 12 step programs out there for people who want to stop watching Fox but can't.

As far as this "truth" you think you've uncovered: that "Fox does fear." Let me tell you, they all do fear. Think back to just last year when night after night the network newscasts led off with the latest about H1N1--schools closing, outbreaks overseas, facemasks, vaccines, deaths, confirmed cases, incubation periods, events canceled and all the rest. Zero perspective. Just sell the fear. America NEEDS to be fearful of something, all the time. A few years ago it was SARS. Remember? Southpark did an episode where the boys figured out the cure for SARS: Canada Dry ginger ale and Campbell's chicken noodle soup. So whether or not Fox is hyping the news (I wouldn't know since I rarely watch) they aren't the only ones. Hype is part of the deal.

 

[amherstblackbear]

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And I'm pretty sure there are some 12 step programs out there for people who want to stop watching Fox but can't.

Nah. The only watching I do is when some blog links to video from one of the nuttier episodes, or on Stewart/Colbert. I'm not going to watch Fox for hours just to catch the funny bits. But if someone else is going to do the work, I have no problem with Fox in small doses.

 

[Old Pio]

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Nah. The only watching I do is when some blog links to video from one of the nuttier episodes, or on Stewart/Colbert. I'm not going to watch Fox for hours just to catch the funny bits. But if someone else is going to do the work, I have no problem with Fox in small doses.

Famous last words: "I'm not hooked, I can quit anytime."

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Yeah, I was being a little facetious. I understand Juan is left of center. A lot of times on Fox News though it seems his role is to be the sacrificial lamb so to speak, he doesn't defend his positions as strongly as some others do.

Edit: Haven't had the chance to watch her show, though I've no doubts it's terrible, but I think of Kathleen Parker's "conservatism" in the same way.

Juan is just like Colmes when it was Hannity and Colmes. The token "lib" on Fox News that gets run over by the right wing zealots on the program. It's how they try to be Fair and Balanced.

 

[Bakunin]

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Media sells fear.

FYP.

If you read a newspaper or watched a national newscast - any station - my guess is the vast majority of stories will be negative (doesn't matter what the subject is).

Scooby, that is no different than what the MSM have been doing for decades - throwing a token conservative on the program to be shouted down by 3 liberals. Sucks to have the shoe on the other foot, doesn't it?

 

[Patman]

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Sarah Palin type stupidity right here. As the Constitution doesn't define marriage, I suppose we should have waited until the 2000's for some legislatures to come around on interracial marriage then?

What an idiot.

Who said I was making a states rights argument? Bottom line... somebody makes the rules and they may make rules that are really dumb if you give them a broad enough latitude. In the end the governments are of the people... when is it right and proper to just override them? When a certain class of society says so? Which class gets to do that? Why? I expect more than righteous indignance to run this nation and define its rules.

Now, idiot, what were you bleating about?

 

[5mn_Major]

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Thus speaketh the liberal hypocrite, who believes the first amendment applies only to those with whom he agrees. Intellectual dishonesty of the purest sort. Mr. Williams did not take vows of intellectual celibacy to work for NPR.

Absolutley nothing to do with the first amendment...if you don't understand the Constitution, don't expect to get much cred when you talk about it.

Juan has the right to say what he wants...I don't expect the police to throw him in jail. But if you don't behave consistent with your employers' guidelines and risk its reputation...prepare to be fired. Most organizations don't tolerate an employee working for a direct competititor...Juan got a very long leash.

This is exactly the type of issue that splits conservatives. Pro-business conservatives value company rights to manage its workforce and brand image...social conservatives do something like erroneouslycomplain about the first amendment.

Juan is just like Colmes when it was Hannity and Colmes. The token "lib" on Fox News that gets run over by the right wing zealots on the program. It's how they try to be Fair and Balanced.

Juan was not like Colmes. At least Colmes was a poor attempt to hold a liberal POV...but he stayed there. Juan breifly takes a liberal position but proceeds to say why in his opinion the left was wrong on something. The guys transformation in the last 5 years was unbelievable. He belongs on a purely entertainment channel.

 

[amherstblackbear]

FYP.

If you read a newspaper or watched a national newscast - any station - my guess is the vast majority of stories will be negative (doesn't matter what the subject is).

Scooby, that is no different than what the MSM have been doing for decades - throwing a token conservative on the program to be shouted down by 3 liberals. Sucks to have the shoe on the other foot, doesn't it?

You're both right about the media selling fear. There are still some interesting differences to be found re: fear of *what*. Or in the case of cable news, whom. (MSNBC sells fear of Palin like it's going out of style. Who knows, it might be...)

 

[Bakunin]

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You're both right about the media selling fear. There are still some interesting differences to be found re: fear of *what*. Or in the case of cable news, whom. (MSNBC sells fear of Palin like it's going out of style. Who knows, it might be...)

It's the media approach to self-help. If you can convince a large segment of the population that someone or something threatens them in some way, you'll retain their interest so they can find out how to cope / deal with it. That allegiance means ratings and advertising dollars. In the end, who cares what the specific message is? The end result is people are made to fear things that are more often than not overblown in importance.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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...but proceeds to say why in his opinion the left was wrong on something. The guys transformation in the last 5 years was unbelievable. He belongs on a purely entertainment channel.

Yeah... God forbid someone points out the the deficiencies of the left. CLearly they have none... Unlike Hannity and his ilk, Juan is able and willing to point out the deficiencies of those he tends to agree with.

 

[Old Pio]

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Absolutley nothing to do with the first amendment...if you don't understand the Constitution, don't expect to get much cred when you talk about it.

Juan has the right to say what he wants...I don't expect the police to throw him in jail. But if you don't behave consistent with your employers' guidelines and risk its reputation...prepare to be fired. Most organizations don't tolerate an employee working for a direct competititor...Juan got a very long leash.

This is exactly the type of issue that splits conservatives. Pro-business conservatives value company rights to manage its workforce and brand image...social conservatives do something like erroneouslycomplain about the first amendment.



Juan was not like Colmes. At least Colmes was a poor attempt to hold a liberal POV...but he stayed there. Juan breifly takes a liberal position but proceeds to say why in his opinion the left was wrong on something. The guys transformation in the last 5 years was unbelievable. He belongs on a purely entertainment channel.

Stop trying to practice law without a license. Liberals, including you, run their mouths constantly about freedom of speech.In your world NAMBLA has the right to freedom of speech, but not Juan Williams. In your warped brain, freedom of speech doesn't extend to those who have the temerity to disagree with you. You, sir, are a phony and a fraud. It's really not freedom of speech if you get fired for expressing your opinion, is it? The only people worried about "damage to NPR's reputation are d**kheads like you.

You want to lecture me about the First Amendment, but I'll bet you're a true blue believer in the "separation of church and state," which somehow isn't mentioned in the Constitution. Maybe it "emanates from a penumbra" or something.

Do us all a favor and never post about freedom of speech, for you, your lefty pals or anyone ever again. Just about the whole world, except you, understands NPR didn't like Mr. Williams straying too far from the liberal plantation. And they, and you, and all good plantation owners everywhere, want to punish him for it. And you don't see anything even slightly hypocrtical about it. After all, he appears on Fox, all bets are off.Fox needs to be shut down. Fox is the source of all evil in the world, blah, blah, blah. So stick your niggling legalisms where the sun don't shine. You're a hypocrite and dangerously intellectually dishonest.

You're also a smug azzhole, since I'm not a social conservative, which you would know if you ever pulled your head out of Rachel Maddow's azz. You can mouth all of the liberal platitudinous swill you want. The bottom line here is you have no problem punishing someone who has opinions with which you disagree. But you're not man enough to admit it. Punk. -30-

 

[5mn_Major]

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Stop trying to practice law without a license. Liberals, including you, run their mouths constantly about freedom of speech.In your world NAMBLA has the right to freedom of speech, but not Juan Williams. In your warped brain, freedom of speech doesn't extend to those who have the temerity to disagree with you. You, sir, are a phony and a fraud.

Do us all a favor and never post about freedom of speech, for you, your lefty pals or anyone ever again. Just about the whole world, except you, understands NPR didn't like Mr. Williams straying too far from the liberal plantation. And they, and you, and all good plantation owners everywhere, want to punish him for it. And you don't see anything even slightly hypocrtical about it. After all, he appears on Fox, all bets are off.Fox needs to be shut down. Fox is the source of all evil in the world, blah, blah, blah. So stick your niggling legalisms where the sun don't shine. You're a hypocrite and dangerously intellectually dishonest.

You're a liberal piece of crap, with you're "deviations from company policy" or whatever. You're also a smug azzhole, since I'm not a social conservative. And what qualifies you as an expert on what conservative think, and what issues traditionally divide conservatives anyway? You can mouth all of the typical liberal platitudinous swill you want. The bottom line here is you have no problem punishing someone who has opinions with which yoou disagree. And you're not even honest enough to admit it. Punk. -30-

Nobody has longer posts that say nothing...

Juan should get fired and did because he broke his employers ethical standards. Some don't admire the pure simplicity of capitalism at work. I do.

 

[5mn_Major]

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Yeah... God forbid someone points out the the deficiencies of the left.

The problem is not that he's giving deficiencies of the left...the problem is that he's positioned to be a counterbalance to the right (which he's not) as the right is positioned on Fox as having no deficiencies. But the main problem is that he shifted from analyzing news to primarily giving his opinion...and that's what got him fired.

 

[Old Pio]

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Nobody has longer posts that say nothing...

Juan should get fired and did because he broke his employers ethical standards. Some don't admire the pure simplicity of capitalism at work. I do.

gfy. Some of us are gobsmacked that you "admire the pure simplicity of capitalism." It's also a b.s. argument, since Williams isn't a Coke delivery guy caught drinking Pepsi on his day off. Not that it matters, but I'll put my reputation for informative, interesting, varied posts up against yours any day. Take away pinko whining and you're mute. Double punk.

Ethical standards? At NPR? Yeah, it's "unethical" to have an opinion that runs counter (in this case) to their "kiss an Islamist's azz" outreach.

And you really need another line of criticism since I've admitted to and apologized for being garrulous. Try to freshen up your act. Maybe a rubber nose.