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Obama XII: The shine is off the glass slipper

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Kepler said:
How is that a "moment"? It's the game they've played since 1980, and the game Southern conservatives, once Dems, now GOP, have been playing for a hundred years. "Get the gummint outta ma life and don'tcher touch ma check!!!" :rolleyes:

Rasmussen's FOX filters need work. They just phone-polled me on the economy.
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And would the opposite be "I don't work, I need the government to do everything for me and where's my monthly check?"?

Or is there only room for one stereotype in your world?
 
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pirate said:
And would the opposite be "I don't work, I need the government to do everything for me and where's my monthly check?"?

Or is there only room for one stereotype in your world?
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Kepler's slope is pretty slippery. I'd either ignore him, or silently point and laugh.
 
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Red Cloud said:
I'd either ignore him, or silently point and laugh.
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Two time honored middle school approaches. RC, you've established you have as full a bag of rhetorical tricks as anyone here. If you spent a little more time making real arguments and a little less cutting sophistic monkey shines, you might change some minds.
 
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Red Cloud said:
Kepler's slope is pretty slippery. I'd either ignore him, or silently point and laugh.
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I think highly of Kepler; not that he needs/wants my validation. Clearly we would make a better point/counter-point team than a political ticket. That is what makes the world, and this thread, go around.

If I had used my 'quote' first, complete with trailer park, inner city or backwoods phrasing I suspect there would be a bit of an uproar. Fair or not, I thought I should mention something.
 
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pirate said:
If I had used my 'quote' first, complete with trailer park, inner city or backwoods phrasing I suspect there would be a bit of an uproar. Fair or not, I thought I should mention something.
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The city mouse and country mouse welfare stereotypes are probably equally true (say, about 20% -- way too broad brush to be generally applied, but a kernel of truth that has sustained them all this time). The difference (IMHO) is the apparent hypocrisy of the latter being paired with bluster about rugged individualism and pulling oneself up by one's bootstraps.

Liberal welfare queens may be parasites but they're not hypocrites. Conservative welfare queens are both, and don't even appear to recognize the humor of it ("get the government out of my Social Security"). :p
 
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Kepler said:
The city mouse and country mouse welfare stereotypes are probably equally true (say, about 20% -- way too broad brush to be generally applied, but a kernel of truth that has sustained them all this time). The difference (IMHO) is the apparent hypocrisy of the latter being paired with bluster about rugged individualism and pulling oneself up by one's bootstraps.

Liberal welfare queens may be parasites but they're not hypocrites. Conservative welfare queens are both, and don't even appear to recognize the humor of it ("get the government out of my Social Security"). :p
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Well, if the latter person at least contributed to SS then I think there is less hypocrisy in complaining about somebody now voting to cut what you thought you were going to get so they can distribute to other people. It may be a government ponzi scheme but, when it was sold, that wasn't on the label.

If they haven't contributed either then I agree it is a tie...which is why I commented, you hit submit before you typed that part of the stereotype;)
 
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Welfare and Social Security are one and the same now. Learned something new today
 
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hmm.
The mood among McChrystal's supporters at the Pentagon was despondent as he walked out of the White House, especially given the relatively short length of his meeting with the president. Some began questioning whether the military can succeed in Afghanistan without McChrystal. Many military leaders were convinced that McChrystal was irreplaceable and one of the military’s best counterinsurgency experts.

"We are screwed," said one military officer, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the highly sensitive nature of the developments, as he watched images of McChrystal leaving the White House. "We are so screwed.”
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AP reporting the General is done
Petreaus is in
 
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It seems a little rash to fire the guy just cause he likes Bud Light Lime. I mean the beer isn't that great, but still harsh.
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
Anyone who likes Bud Light Lime can't be good for America. Just sayin'.
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Beats Zima, though. Drink that and the terrorists win.

Talking point from talk radio that anything bad that happens from now on is Obama's fault in 5... 4... 3...
 
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walrus said:
Here ya go
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Sorry, tend to agree with Kepler on that one. Same hypocrisy used during the health care debate. If you don't want government health care then you shouldn't be telling the government to leave your Medicare alone.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Sorry, tend to agree with Kepler on that one. Same hypocrisy used during the health care debate. If you don't want government health care then you shouldn't be telling the government to leave your Medicare alone.
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So someone who worked for 50 years, retires and collects SS is on welfare? If I lived on that income I'd want the Gov't to leave it alone also
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Sorry, tend to agree with Kepler on that one. Same hypocrisy used during the health care debate. If you don't want government health care then you shouldn't be telling the government to leave your Medicare alone.
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Even if you somehow make an exception for SS, which is dicey at best, still farm subsidies, the EITC, child tax credits, and Medicaid are much better examples of welfare programs that rural conservatives are collecting while decrying government interference. Not to mention all the programs that have primarily benefited them over time (rural electrification, flood control, stock-raising and dryland farming homestead acts, meth-amphetamine addiction treatment, rural postal routes, USDA Rural Telecommunications Development programs, etc).

Shutting off the inter-regional payment tap (which runs from blue givers to red takers) for a year would produce some very interesting, "Hey?! Wait a minute!!!" reactions from those folks.

By all means: user fees for everything. We can always use a source of semi-English-speaking labor to serve the developed part of the continent. The world needs ditch diggers too.
 
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Kepler said:
RC, you've established you have as full a bag of rhetorical tricks as anyone here. If you spent a little more time making real arguments and a little less cutting sophistic monkey shines, you might change some minds.
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Do as I say, not as I do.

Kepler's still so cute.
 
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Kepler said:
Even if you somehow make an exception for SS, which is dicey at best, still farm subsidies, the EITC, child tax credits, and Medicaid are much better examples of welfare programs that rural conservatives are collecting while decrying government interference. Not to mention all the programs that have primarily benefited them over time (rural electrification, flood control, stock-raising and dryland farming homestead acts, meth-amphetamine addiction treatment, rural postal routes, USDA Rural Telecommunications Development programs, etc).

Shutting off the inter-regional payment tap (which runs from blue givers to red takers) for a year would produce some very interesting, "Hey?! Wait a minute!!!" reactions from those folks.

By all means: user fees for everything. We can always use a source of semi-English-speaking labor to serve the developed part of the continent. The world needs ditch diggers too.
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To me the hypocrisy isn't in people using gov't services (especially if they paid for them), but when those people want cuts to everything else but their program. You'd better believe I'll take SS benefits (assuming they're still around) when I retire. If someone were to propose cutting 20% off the top of the entire budget and SS is part of it I've got no problem with that.

I'm against publically-funded ballparks, but I'll still go to a game. The hypocrisy would be if I was against funding arenas for all teams except mine.
 
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