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Obama XI: Turn And Face The Strange

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dropthatpuck said:
"It will be up to each of you to make sure that the young people, African Americans, Latinos and women, who powered our victory in 2008 stand together once again..." - BHO

Nice to see he left out the other flavors.
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White women welcome. Young people welcome.

Old White men, need not apply.

Or something?
 
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dropthatpuck said:
"It will be up to each of you to make sure that the young people, African Americans, Latinos and women, who powered our victory in 2008 stand together once again..." - BHO

Nice to see he left out the other flavors.
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Because an army of old white men were pivotal to his victory.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: It's an OUTRAGE! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
 
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rufus said:
Act like a condescending jerk, like the rest of the pompous, arrogant, windbags.
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Your psuedo-eloquence is only outdone by your lack of anything useful to contribute to society. Crawl back under your rock, slappy. You might find something to procreate with under there. Mostly likely yourself.
 
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Plante26 said:
Never said I hate him. Though I'm pretty sure I gave you numerous examples of outright corruption and cronyism, to which you responded with, "But Bush did it first!" I'll be the first guy in line to focus on what needs to be done to right the American ship. IMO, that can't be done until people realize that The One isn't the answer to our problems......he is a large part of the Problem, which is a complete lack of accountability/responsibility on the part of the majority of Americans.
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If you gave me examples, I've either missed them or forgotten them, sincerely. I did not respond "but Bush did it first" to this, as explained below.

If you're genuinely interested in working to right the ship, I'd suggest stepping back from rhetoric like "The One." Nobody has that attitude, it's just an excuse to get in a dig, akin to, say, calling every conservative an ignorant redneck so gullible he'll vote against his own principles and interests out of fear and spite just because some well-paid GOP flack loudmouth on the radio told him to.

That wouldn't be very nice, nor would it be accurate. This whole idea of the Cult of Barack is equally vacuous.

I disagree that Obama is a large part of the problem*. If we had sincere interaction between liberal and conservative ideas and alternated between them, that wouldn't be a "problem" at all, and I think Obama has been doing his part of that. It's hardly his fault that the other side is doing nothing constructive, nor even intelligible, and just trying to hold their breath and hope the winds of midterm elections will get their favorability over 15%.

And here's another thing -- why the heck can't the Forum dictionary remember "Obama"? I'm sure I've added it before.

(* One big exception: like Bush, he's blowing up spending on stuff he likes without cutting spending for the stuff he doesn't, and that's irresponsible and cowardly. Spend your political capital and cut all the bloated, useless right wing crap -- let the other side scream. Then we'll vote a conservative in there to cut all your bloated, useless left wing crap.)
 
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This is as good a place as any for this: does anybody else here play Democracy 2? I downloaded it yesterday and my early impressions are it's an extremely good political sim.
 
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Kepler said:
If you gave me examples, I've either missed them or forgotten them, sincerely. I did not respond "but Bush did it first" to this, as explained below.

If you're genuinely interested in working to right the ship, I'd suggest stepping back from rhetoric like "The One." Nobody has that attitude, it's just an excuse to get in a dig, akin to, say, calling every conservative an ignorant redneck so gullible he'll vote against his own principles and interests out of fear and spite just because some well-paid GOP flack loudmouth on the radio told him to.

That wouldn't be very nice, nor would it be accurate. This whole idea of the Cult of Barack is equally vacuous.

I disagree that Obama is a large part of the problem. If we had sincere interaction between liberal and conservative ideas and alternated between them, that wouldn't be a "problem" at all, and I think Obama has been doing his part of that. It's hardly his fault that the other side is doing nothing constructive, nor even intelligible, and just trying to hold their breath and hope the winds of midterm elections will get their favorability over 15%.

And here's another thing -- why the heck can't the Forum dictionary remember "Obama"? I'm sure I've added it before.
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Plante26 said:
That's racial profiling. ;)

Seriously though......you're of the belief that the Saudi royal family sponsored the terrorists that flew planes into the WTC? That's reaching, even in conspiracy-theory land. The House of Saud aasked for U.S. military bases in their country during/after the first Gulf War, which was the primary reason that bin Laden started Al-Qaeda in the first place. Which means--by your twisted logic--that the Saudis asked us to be in their country so that they could bomb us for being in their country. That's rich, considering they depend on us to buy their oil to maintain their power in government.

Riiiiight. Meanwhile, Obama signs a trillion-dollar stimulus bill in which the majority of funds were dispersed to state governments to keep public sector employees in their jobs, construction projects to fill labor union coffers and grants/funding for non-profits......not to mention the billions in documented fraud, waste and abuse. ACORN gets a couple billion as well.....you know, for the good work during the election, er, census-taking contract. Then there's the exemption for union workers from the cadillac tax on health care, and the Chicago corruption surrounding the former Obama Senate seat, Tony Rezko, William Ayers, accepting $1 million from Goldman Sachs, having numerous Cabinet appointees shot down on tax issues......just to name a few.
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Yes, referring to Obama as "The One" is a bit tongue-in-cheek, but that flows from his direct quote of "We are the ones we've been waiting for." Coupled with the Greek columns at his acceptance speech in Denver, to his speech after the election in Chicago, and he has been manufacturing a rather inflated self-image that can't be dismissed as insignificant.

As far as alternating between ideas, there has been little-to-none of that. Health care for example: Republicans offered to start from scratch after being intentionally left out of the formation of the inital bill. What does Obama do? Throws out an unenforceable, revocable executive order and cheers "Bipartisanship!"

Sorry boss, but Obama isn't all about bipartisan ideology. You're trying to rationalize something that isn't there.
 
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Priceless said:
Because an army of old white men were pivotal to his victory.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: It's an OUTRAGE! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
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Well, he forgot to mention the one fat white guy whose doting support was instrumental to his monumental and historic victory, didn't he?

Screw em, right?
 
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Plante26 said:
Your psuedo-eloquence is only outdone by your lack of anything useful to contribute to society. Crawl back under your rock, slappy. You might find something to procreate with under there. Mostly likely yourself.
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Wow, nothing like being an incredible dou che.
 
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Plante26 said:
Sorry boss, but Obama isn't all about bipartisan ideology. You're trying to rationalize something that isn't there.
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I don't get all the "boss," "sparky," "slappy," etc. stuff. Is this a regional thing?

Obama is certainly not about bipartisan ideology -- he's a liberal on some issues and a centrist on others, but in each case he's trying to get his agenda through as much as is politically possible, and the other side is trying get their agenda through as much as is politically possible. That's fine, we don't have a parliamentary system to guarantee the votes, and although we're inefficient we're as good as the alternatives.

The other side could be honest, stake out a real stance and defend it in the forum of ideas, not hide behind posturing and ideological rhetoric. Yes, there's a time and place for that sort of tub-thumping on the campaign trail, but when you sit down to govern you need to check the silliness at the door.

When elected officials start sounding like Olberman or O'Reilly in conference, when the adults are trying to make policy, that's a problem, and members of the opposition are doing just that while their leadership is afraid to call them out for fear of the radicals. There's always a handful of a-hole reps who do that. Frankly nobody cares: reps are like ants, they can't function except when they reach critical mass. But senators have a responsibility to engage the brain before entering the room, because one or two a-hole senators can cause the whole body to fiddle while Rome burns. Let's call these hypothetical senators, for example, DeMint and Coburn. Even their own party loathes them, but the GOP has become so much the party of orchestrated outrage that they can't be brought to heel for everybody's good.

It's not just an ethical problem, although that's part of it, it's a practical one: the result of both sides actually buying their good vs evil campaign blather is lock-step voting, and that means compromise is impossible. Do you really think the GOP offer to "start from scratch" on health care was anything other than a fig leaf for their strategy of burning Dem majority daylight?
 
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Red Cloud said:
But remember, this is not a divisive president. Oh no. Anyone who doubts His sincerity on that is the true raaaaaaacist.
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I take this back. Doubting the Messiah's sincerity isn't racist. Just disagreeing with him, if you don't have a minority along side you disagreeing, that's what's raaaaaaaaacist.
 
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walrus said:
Must be something common to Duluth and Boston
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An irritating* accent?


* Disclaimer: I have never actually met anyone from Duluth. Allegedly the Minny accent is stronger "Outstate," but I don't know what that means.
 
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Patman said:
"puppies are cute" is not a centerist issue... it usually means you have a pulse.
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Afghanistan.

I think part of it is because he doesn't want to be accused of being a pansy. I'm not sure his heart is in it. But whatever the motivation, it's a centrist policy.
 
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Plante26 said:
Sorry boss, but Obama isn't all about bipartisan ideology. You're trying to rationalize something that isn't there.
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Trying to rationalize anything with <strike>Kepler</strike> Captain Hypocrisy is a effort in futility.

The fact that he doesn't like rhetoric now, but was basking in it less than 18 months ago is laughable.
 
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