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Obama XI: Turn And Face The Strange

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Governmental household cap & trade system. Fascism is always screamed when Republicans are in power... should we doubt the totalitarianism of democrats?

I'm reporting you to flag@whitehouse.gov. Traitor.

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It's fascism when the right does something that annoys somebody and communism when the left does something that annoys somebody. Come on, people. :mad: ;) :p
 
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I'll be curious if/when California or NY takes a look at the bill for healthcare and decide it is not in their best economic interest to participate.
Yes, but if the CA or NY governments had half a clue what was in their best economic interests, they wouldn't even be in their current predicaments, now would they? :D
 
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Yes, but if the CA or NY governments had half a clue what was in their best economic interests, they wouldn't even be in their current predicaments, now would they? :D

Which leads into the other problem, voters in both states being utterly clueless as well. Well, at least in NY - there's no chance of people wising up suddenly here. California... well, I'm not optimistic, but it seems like they at least have an opening for smart governance.
 
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Dems include the Lincoln amendment in the Wall Street bill.

Resolving internal party differences, Democratic leaders decided late Sunday to insert into the bill a proposal by Senate Agriculture Committee Chairwoman Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark.) that cracks down on derivatives trading, the financial instruments that contributed to the economic meltdown, according to a Democratic Senate aide close to the negotiations.

Lincoln’s plan, which was considered the most restrictive of those under consideration, had broad backing – Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) supported it in the Agriculture Committee, Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) endorsed it Friday, and progressives repeatedly urged Dodd to include it in the overall bill. But the move signals a defeat for Wall Street firms that lobbied heavily against it and could upset some Republicans, who sought more exemptions for non-financial firms from transparency requirements.

It was unclear late Sunday whether the derivatives proposal would be enough for Snowe, a top target for Democrats, to support the bill.

Earlier Sunday, Dodd and Shelby suggested that an agreement on the overall bill could be just days away, maybe a week.

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The impasse reflects the pressure on the top negotiators – on Dodd not to dilute the bill in any significant way or face grumbling from his left flank, and on Shelby to extract concessions meaningful enough for Republicans to say their initial opposition paid off.

Dodd had faced strong pushback from progressives not to weaken the tough Lincoln proposal. It includes a provision that even the Obama administration has resisted, barring companies that deal in swaps, a form of derivatives, from receiving federal assistance – a move that would effectively force firms to spin off their swaps desks, resulting in the loss of potentially billions in annual revenue.

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Senate Democrats are wary of conceding much of anything to Shelby, arguing that their negotiating position, at this point, is as strong as it will be. Democrats believe the perils of being cast as a big bank defender are so great for Republicans that at least one or two moderates will break ranks Monday, so why weaken the bill before it hits the floor?

Republicans acknowledge privately that the headlines won’t look good if the entire conference votes unanimously against consideration of the bill. But with both sides expected to return to talks soon after the vote, they are betting on the storyline shifting quickly.

The short-term hit will be worth the longer-term gain of producing a more conservative measure, Republicans aides said. Republicans also argue Democrats are overestimating the political staying power of this single vote, as long as a bipartisan deal is eventually released.
 
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Which leads into the other problem, voters in both states being utterly clueless as well. Well, at least in NY - there's no chance of people wising up suddenly here. California... well, I'm not optimistic, but it seems like they at least have an opening for smart governance.

Maybe California voters can do a ballot initiative. They sure love those.
 
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Maybe California voters can do a ballot initiative. They sure love those.

As a former Oregonian I am contractually obligated to point out that while CA has 20-30 initiatives on a typical ballot, OR has been known to have nearly 100, most of them being things like "the state legislature shall pass no law restricting the right of dog owners to have an adult dog ride in a flat bed truck on a state highway" (IIRC, an actual referendum. It passed.). :p
 
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Yes, but if the CA or NY governments had half a clue what was in their best economic interests, they wouldn't even be in their current predicaments, now would they? :D
I think there's a reference to a perpetual motion machine here.
 
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He doesn't have/need cohorts. He is The One.

Yeah, The One. The One I can't wait to see move out of the residence at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

Serious question to those who support Obama: Do you see the unprecedented corruption that the POTUS is connected to?
 
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Yeah, The One. The One I can't wait to see move out of the residence at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

Serious question to those who support Obama: Do you see the unprecedented corruption that the POTUS is connected to?

Of course. He's a politician. They're all corrupt.

Liberals are no different from conservatives when it comes to corruption: Bandar Bush had many of these same issues when he was in office every corruption had his followers with their head in their sand. You're not seeing many liberals on here defending Obama right now because he's doing a bad job right now.
 
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Yeah, The One. The One I can't wait to see move out of the residence at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

Well, if you want to get him out of there two years from now, you need to have a legitimate candidate to beat him. Remember, you have to beat the incumbent, not the other way around. A lot of people have *****ed about Bush (and I am NOT wandering into that), but the Dems had two shots at Bush, including one with a sitting vice president that did not carry his own home state, because they flat-out botched both campaigns, and did not have a good candidate in 2004. They could not finish the job. You cannot run Palin in 2012 and expect to grab 270 EV unless things really go to hell in a hand basket, a la the late 70's.
 
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