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Obama V: For Vendetta

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Kepler said:
The count of the former is zero, and the count of the latter is about 28% of the country (the majority of whom probably have no job and thus no insurance).
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I can honestly say that I have yet to hear anyone claim that an anti-Obama person is taking that view on account of race.

Well, except for some of the white supremacist groups who have said that they think he'll be assassinated, but that's obviously an exception.
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
The only comment I can make on it is the fact that people who protested Iraq at least had some facts to go on (9-11 was an al Qaeda thing, the case for Iraq being a threat to the US was spotty at best, etc.), whereas Health Care reform seems to be pure specualtion on all fronts.
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It wasn't just healthcare. The main thrust of the whole thing was against the out-of-control growth of government and out-of-control growth of spending. There's not much speculation on those fronts.

The porcupine is a good analogy to the vast majority of the crowd on Saturday. Porcupines are nice animals, kind of cute and practically always docile, but one is advised to avoid stepping on them.
 
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Red Cloud said:
It wasn't just healthcare. The main thrust of the whole thing was against the out-of-control growth of government and out-of-control growth of spending. There's not much speculation on those fronts.
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Where were they when the other clown was growing the government?
 
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Red Cloud said:
BTW, I loved how PuffHo was OUTRAGED at pictures of children carrying signs (my favorite that I saw was a toddler holding a sign that read "I owe $76,000. I'M TWO.") like this has never happened, ever, at any rally of any kind, anywhere.
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The sad/ironic part is that most of these kids' parents don't realize that this predicament was in large part due to the guys they put in Washington.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Where were they when the other clown was growing the government?
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You mean at a fraction of the rate of the current guy? There was a similar fraction complaining.

5mn_Major said:
The sad/ironic part is that most of these kids' parents don't realize that this predicament was in large part due to the guys they put in Washington.
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Really? Hmmph. I guess that accounts for all the "Fire Congress" signs. There was a real anti-incumbent fervor going on, and it was very non-partisan. One guy I talked to, when I started listing Congresspersons that I did like, interrupted me and said he wanted everyone gone, "the few good along with the bad."
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Where were they when the other clown was growing the government?
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I was bit**ing and griping the whole time. Feel free to look it up. I also voted for people that I thought would rein in the spending spree. Others decided to follow up a guy who spent too much with a guy who spends way too much. C'est la vie.
 
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St. Clown said:
I was bit**ing and griping the whole time. Feel free to look it up. I also voted for people that I thought would rein in the spending spree. Others decided to follow up a guy who spent too much with a guy who spends way too much. C'est la vie.
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I have no doubt you were. I just don't remember any tea parties from before.

Which brings me to the same conclusion as before.

Spend money in Iraq? That's fine.
Spend money in the US? Bridges, roads, health care, saving the financial institutions, the poor, etc. BAD.

What a comedic nation.
 
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Actually, the Boy You Love to Bash put through biggest increase in Medicare since the program was established. It even had its own code call "Part D."
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I have no doubt you were. I just don't remember any tea parties from before.

Which brings me to the same conclusion as before.

Spend money in Iraq? That's fine.
Spend money in the US? Bridges, roads, health care, saving the financial institutions, the poor, etc. BAD.

What a comedic nation.
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Mr. Doo, I refer you to the United States Constitution and the responsibilities enumerated to the federal government.

National defense? I see that in there.

Building bridges, roads, taking over health care, giving ridiculous money to wealthy corporations or the poor... not seeing it. Maybe you can point it out to me.
 
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Rover said:
Too bad for you your all time hero, Timothy McVeigh, won't be heard from again, but hey, he did strike one blow against the feds in your mind, right? :rolleyes:
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ScoobyDoo said:
Spend money in Iraq? That's fine.
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I would really love to see an honest breakdown of the money we spent "in Iraq."

If we're paying a US soldier to be in Iraq, that money goes into his bank account back here in the US - doesn't count. If we buy uniforms and body armor (eventually) and ammunition from US contractors - doesn't count. If we outsource our soldiering to private US contractors and pay them in US dollars - doesn't count. If we hire Haliburton to build roads and schools and other infrastructure, but they do it with US-based labor, those salaries don't count.

The only money that should count is when we a) buy local materials for construction or logistics or b) hire local contractors for security or services (catering, etc). The rest of those dollars never actually leave the US.
 
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LynahFan said:
I would really love to see an honest breakdown of the money we spent "in Iraq."

If we're paying a US soldier to be in Iraq, that money goes into his bank account back here in the US - doesn't count. If we buy uniforms and body armor (eventually) and ammunition from US contractors - doesn't count. If we outsource our soldiering to private US contractors and pay them in US dollars - doesn't count. If we hire Haliburton to build roads and schools and other infrastructure, but they do it with US-based labor, those salaries don't count.

The only money that should count is when we a) buy local materials for construction or logistics or b) hire local contractors for security or services (catering, etc). The rest of those dollars never actually leave the US.
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:confused: I see the logic but don't agree. If we're patrollling their country because they won't do it themselves, that counts. If we wasted money searching for WMD's that don't exist, that counts. If we're paying for their infrastructure, which does nothing for the US, that counts (and I imagine that's where a lot of costs are being incurred). If we spent all this money when we were better off not going in the first place, IMHO that counts too.
 
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LynahFan said:
The only money that should count is when we a) buy local materials for construction or logistics or b) hire local contractors for security or services (catering, etc). The rest of those dollars never actually leave the US.
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Neither does any of the money spent on infrastructure, or health care initiatives, or FAFSA money, etc.. Seems like a null point. The question is, are we going to get any return on investment? Can you spend a million bucks in Iraq and have any tangible outcome for the US, other than to filter that money to contracted firms and to the income of soldiers?
 
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The $1T we are in the process of spending all counts. If you wanted to spend $1T at home, the faux-conservatives would have gone ape !#$%@#. Especially when you told them "We'll just borrow the money from the Chinese."

Sure some of that money comes back into the US economy at some point, but that doesn't change the fact that it was money we didn't have or account for.
 
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