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Obama V: For Vendetta
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Re: Obama V: For Vendetta
So you're asserting that the crowd at the Capitol was representative of US demographics now? Or in the future? Because both are wrong.
http://pewsocialtrends.org/pubs/703/population-projections-united-states
So, Latinos are ~14% of the US now. Granted, my observations and methodology aren't perfect, but based on what I saw on Saturday, I'll go ahead and say that approximately zero percent of the crowd there was Latino.
The one thing I got wrong was on age. We'll all be getting older, I suppose. A lot less white, but older nonetheless.
So you're asserting that the crowd at the Capitol was representative of US demographics now? Or in the future? Because both are wrong.
http://pewsocialtrends.org/pubs/703/population-projections-united-states
So, Latinos are ~14% of the US now. Granted, my observations and methodology aren't perfect, but based on what I saw on Saturday, I'll go ahead and say that approximately zero percent of the crowd there was Latino.
The one thing I got wrong was on age. We'll all be getting older, I suppose. A lot less white, but older nonetheless.
Re: Obama V: For Vendetta
You need to put your RPI degree to good use in finding employment instead of going on a knuckledragger lovefest.
BTW - Your credibility on this issue is the same as Rush Limbaugh's on mandatory minimum drug sentences. When an independent authority says more, I'll believe it. In the meantime, the only estimate seen is 60-70K. Despite right wing paranoia, why wouldn't an outlet like FOX at least try to verify it themselves, or did they lose your phone number?
Bottom line is, it sounds like a march with a bunch of cranks, racists (see some of the posters being carried), Larouche weirdos, and people without jobs who could take the time out of work to travel to and back from this idiotfest. No wonder you were there.
You need to put your RPI degree to good use in finding employment instead of going on a knuckledragger lovefest.
BTW - Your credibility on this issue is the same as Rush Limbaugh's on mandatory minimum drug sentences. When an independent authority says more, I'll believe it. In the meantime, the only estimate seen is 60-70K. Despite right wing paranoia, why wouldn't an outlet like FOX at least try to verify it themselves, or did they lose your phone number?
Bottom line is, it sounds like a march with a bunch of cranks, racists (see some of the posters being carried), Larouche weirdos, and people without jobs who could take the time out of work to travel to and back from this idiotfest. No wonder you were there.
FadeToBlack&Gold
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Re: Obama V: For Vendetta
So as long as the "left" does it first, it's OK for the "right" to do it?
I just find the role reversal of the last couple of years to be very ironic and funny. Two years ago, it would've been mostly 20-somethings running around yelling for W's impeachment and carrying signs with images of Bush sporting a swastika armband, a toothbrush mustache, and cocaine traces under his nose. Now, we seem to have mostly 40 and 50-somethings screaming about how Obama isn't an American citizen, is the Anti-Christ, "Obammunism", images of Obama in a Soviet military uniform, etc.
It's just really ironic, considering that not much of any consequence has actually "changed" in the nearly 9 months since Obama took office. Money is still being spent like water, it's just being spent in slightly different areas. Congress is still as annoyingly partisan as ever, it's simply being controlled by the divided Democrats, while the Republicans sulk, whine, and try to obstruct positive debate as much as possible in preparation for 2010.
Meanwhile, the vast moderate majority can only shake its head in disgust.
So as long as the "left" does it first, it's OK for the "right" to do it?
I just find the role reversal of the last couple of years to be very ironic and funny. Two years ago, it would've been mostly 20-somethings running around yelling for W's impeachment and carrying signs with images of Bush sporting a swastika armband, a toothbrush mustache, and cocaine traces under his nose. Now, we seem to have mostly 40 and 50-somethings screaming about how Obama isn't an American citizen, is the Anti-Christ, "Obammunism", images of Obama in a Soviet military uniform, etc.
It's just really ironic, considering that not much of any consequence has actually "changed" in the nearly 9 months since Obama took office. Money is still being spent like water, it's just being spent in slightly different areas. Congress is still as annoyingly partisan as ever, it's simply being controlled by the divided Democrats, while the Republicans sulk, whine, and try to obstruct positive debate as much as possible in preparation for 2010.
Meanwhile, the vast moderate majority can only shake its head in disgust.
St. Clown
Ideas Posted are Likely Not My Own
Re: Obama V: For Vendetta
So what you've just said here is that the people upset about the govt budget, that pay their taxes, and worried about what a govt takeover of healthcare would mean to both, they're the ones who were at the rally? Wow, I never would have thought...
Kepler
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ScottM
**** it feels good to be a bankster
Re: Obama V: For Vendetta
Ten whole dollars?!?! Hell, that's more than most teabaggers make greeting folks at the local WalMart.
Ten whole dollars?!?! Hell, that's more than most teabaggers make greeting folks at the local WalMart.
Re: Obama V: For Vendetta
So, you're saying that people who weren't at the rally don't pay their taxes?
It's one thing to be concerned about government healthcare. It's another thing to be concerned about the government taking over a program that the government already runs (Medicare).
You'll forgive me if I question the logic of folks who want to make sure the government isn't involved with their government run healthcare.
So, you're saying that people who weren't at the rally don't pay their taxes?
It's one thing to be concerned about government healthcare. It's another thing to be concerned about the government taking over a program that the government already runs (Medicare).
You'll forgive me if I question the logic of folks who want to make sure the government isn't involved with their government run healthcare.
Re: Obama V: For Vendetta
I'd love to hear your explanation, if you're interested in an actual discussion.
If you're just interested in your usual M.O. of internet snark, that's fine too.
Either way suits me.
I'd love to hear your explanation, if you're interested in an actual discussion.
If you're just interested in your usual M.O. of internet snark, that's fine too.
Either way suits me.
Re: Obama V: For Vendetta
Kennedy's a public figure. I don't have a problem with either side doing it.
So as long as the "left" does it first, it's OK for the "right" to do it?
Kennedy's a public figure. I don't have a problem with either side doing it.
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You seem obsessed with "demographics," like they really played a role in what happened in DC this weekend.
I smell a racist, that's all.
You seem obsessed with "demographics," like they really played a role in what happened in DC this weekend.
I smell a racist, that's all.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
ExileOnDaytonStreet
Drunkard
Re: Obama V: For Vendetta
It is pretty funny to see the roles reversed. The comparison of the completely insane picket signs filled with exaggerations and lies is pretty apt. (Although Bush with cocaine at least has some amount of truth to it, and Obama was <strike>born</strike> raised partially outside of the US- even though I'd have to wonder about people who actually believe that he's not a citizen, as if he could have possibly become president if he wasn't... you have to wonder about the common sense meter on those people)
The only comment I can make on it is the fact that people who protested Iraq at least had some facts to go on (9-11 was an al Qaeda thing, the case for Iraq being a threat to the US was spotty at best, etc.), whereas Health Care reform seems to be pure specualtion on all fronts.
It is pretty funny to see the roles reversed. The comparison of the completely insane picket signs filled with exaggerations and lies is pretty apt. (Although Bush with cocaine at least has some amount of truth to it, and Obama was <strike>born</strike> raised partially outside of the US- even though I'd have to wonder about people who actually believe that he's not a citizen, as if he could have possibly become president if he wasn't... you have to wonder about the common sense meter on those people)
The only comment I can make on it is the fact that people who protested Iraq at least had some facts to go on (9-11 was an al Qaeda thing, the case for Iraq being a threat to the US was spotty at best, etc.), whereas Health Care reform seems to be pure specualtion on all fronts.
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Kepler
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Re: Obama V: For Vendetta
You must spread, etc...
Quoting Ignores is usually a waste, but total takedowns are welcome.
You must spread, etc...
Quoting Ignores is usually a waste, but total takedowns are welcome.
Re: Obama V: For Vendetta
There were more than a few loony signs at the rally, but to characterize the whole crowd that way, a la PuffHo, is really kind of weak.
BTW, I loved how PuffHo was OUTRAGED at pictures of children carrying signs (my favorite that I saw was a toddler holding a sign that read "I owe $76,000. I'M TWO.") like this has never happened, ever, at any rally of any kind, anywhere.
The one comment I kept hearing from people - "I've never done anything like this before," "I never thought I would do something like this," etc.
There were more than a few loony signs at the rally, but to characterize the whole crowd that way, a la PuffHo, is really kind of weak.
BTW, I loved how PuffHo was OUTRAGED at pictures of children carrying signs (my favorite that I saw was a toddler holding a sign that read "I owe $76,000. I'M TWO.") like this has never happened, ever, at any rally of any kind, anywhere.
The one comment I kept hearing from people - "I've never done anything like this before," "I never thought I would do something like this," etc.
St. Clown
Ideas Posted are Likely Not My Own
Re: Obama V: For Vendetta
i'd say that people like me are concerned about the govt getting even more involved and making the not-so-subtle push to takeover all of the health care insurance industry - despite their claims otherwise.
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. I don't pay my taxes and neither do you.
I've never understood the people worried about govt interfering with Medicare by adding more govt health care, but that's just me.
i'd say that people like me are concerned about the govt getting even more involved and making the not-so-subtle push to takeover all of the health care insurance industry - despite their claims otherwise.
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