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Re: Obama V: For Vendetta
With PPV rights, we'd probably be able to pay off the national debt.
With PPV rights, we'd probably be able to pay off the national debt.
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Obama V: For Vendetta
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Re: Obama V: For Vendetta
yeah, c= cancer, ms= mostly ****, except for their crack stock analysis during the day.
That is MSNBC not CNBC...
I love how uppity Red Cloud has been of late...I keep seeing Veruca Salt whenever I read his posts
yeah, c= cancer, ms= mostly ****, except for their crack stock analysis during the day.
Re: Obama V: For Vendetta
Everyone knows Extra has that feature.
Please. I don't deserve that kind of praise.
Everyone knows Extra has that feature.
Please. I don't deserve that kind of praise.
Re: Obama V: For Vendetta
I don’t usually stray into the forbidden and mysterious world of the USCHO Cafe as I often am unable to convey my feelings and thoughts as succinctly as I'd like when the topic is not BU Hockey... But this comment caught my attention.
You indicate that the current system can be left in place 'a bit longer' with little impact. This is a false statement. People die due to lack of health care each and every day, while the government struggles to act. These are preventable deaths.
Preventable. Deaths.
I respectfully ask if you, slapshot, currently have affordable health insurance? If so, do you think that you'd be willing to give it up for however long 'a bit longer' is in your mind? Maybe lend it to someone who needs the affordable coverage in order to survive until 'a bit longer' passes? There are some people who cannot wait for this reform to come. If it does not come soon, they will die.
Healthcare needs to be reformed. Immediately. Lives are at stake.
Thanks for letting me vent (ask?).
I don’t usually stray into the forbidden and mysterious world of the USCHO Cafe as I often am unable to convey my feelings and thoughts as succinctly as I'd like when the topic is not BU Hockey... But this comment caught my attention.
You indicate that the current system can be left in place 'a bit longer' with little impact. This is a false statement. People die due to lack of health care each and every day, while the government struggles to act. These are preventable deaths.
Preventable. Deaths.
I respectfully ask if you, slapshot, currently have affordable health insurance? If so, do you think that you'd be willing to give it up for however long 'a bit longer' is in your mind? Maybe lend it to someone who needs the affordable coverage in order to survive until 'a bit longer' passes? There are some people who cannot wait for this reform to come. If it does not come soon, they will die.
Healthcare needs to be reformed. Immediately. Lives are at stake.
Thanks for letting me vent (ask?).
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Please, give us examples of these preventable deaths due to lack of health care. Remember, they have to be each and every day.
I've got plenty of examples of preventable deaths in countries like Sweden and Canada due to lack of health care.
Please, give us examples of these preventable deaths due to lack of health care. Remember, they have to be each and every day.
I've got plenty of examples of preventable deaths in countries like Sweden and Canada due to lack of health care.
duper
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Re: Obama V: For Vendetta
Don't be obtuse. You know darn well that there are preventable deaths every day. And if you don't, then open your eyes.
Don't be obtuse. You know darn well that there are preventable deaths every day. And if you don't, then open your eyes.
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No, I don't. Please, give me examples. Names. It shouldn't be hard if it is as you say it is.
Remember, it has to be because of lack of available health care under our current system. And it has to be each and every day.
No, I don't. Please, give me examples. Names. It shouldn't be hard if it is as you say it is.
Remember, it has to be because of lack of available health care under our current system. And it has to be each and every day.
duper
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Re: Obama V: For Vendetta
I don't go around hospitals asking people who have been turned away and will die due to lack of health insurance for their names. But when you claim it doesn't happen, (which by your skepticism your are implicitly doing) you are being obtuse.
So your turn, give me the names of everyone who died in Sweden and Canada yesterday because of lack of health care.
Stupid question, isn't it?
I don't go around hospitals asking people who have been turned away and will die due to lack of health insurance for their names. But when you claim it doesn't happen, (which by your skepticism your are implicitly doing) you are being obtuse.
So your turn, give me the names of everyone who died in Sweden and Canada yesterday because of lack of health care.
Stupid question, isn't it?
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Here you go, for Minnesota (where I am guessing slapshot is from)
and the rest of the states are outlined here
Awesome, were we to be talking about Sweden and Canada, those would be awesome examples to present. But as (I think) everyone wants a US Healthcare system better than those two countries, I think those examples are best left for a debate between Canadians and Swedes.
Here you go, for Minnesota (where I am guessing slapshot is from)
and the rest of the states are outlined here
Awesome, were we to be talking about Sweden and Canada, those would be awesome examples to present. But as (I think) everyone wants a US Healthcare system better than those two countries, I think those examples are best left for a debate between Canadians and Swedes.
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If you don't have any names, just say so. It's OK, I won't rub it in.
I didn't say yesterday. I said that they happen. You and your little friend are the ones who said they happen each and every day. And if they happen each and every day, it shouldn't be hard, given the size of our country, to find numerous and recent examples of people who just couldn't get health care because of our system (not, say, because they couldn't get to the hospital in time or something).
I also didn't say I'd name everyone. You're being kind of unreasonable. But I'd give you some cases if you want some - but only after you or your friend go first.
If you don't have any names, just say so. It's OK, I won't rub it in.
I didn't say yesterday. I said that they happen. You and your little friend are the ones who said they happen each and every day. And if they happen each and every day, it shouldn't be hard, given the size of our country, to find numerous and recent examples of people who just couldn't get health care because of our system (not, say, because they couldn't get to the hospital in time or something).
I also didn't say I'd name everyone. You're being kind of unreasonable. But I'd give you some cases if you want some - but only after you or your friend go first.
duper
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You've not met his burden of proof. You have not provided one single name. I guess he's right, since none of my friends or family members have died from lack of health insurance yet, I guess that means that the U.S. has no problem with it.
I do however, think that there is plenty of evidence (some of which BT6 was good enough to dig up) that there are a lot more lack of insurance deaths in this country than there arer days per year, which means that yes, Red Cloud, it happens, on average, every day.
You've not met his burden of proof. You have not provided one single name. I guess he's right, since none of my friends or family members have died from lack of health insurance yet, I guess that means that the U.S. has no problem with it.
I do however, think that there is plenty of evidence (some of which BT6 was good enough to dig up) that there are a lot more lack of insurance deaths in this country than there arer days per year, which means that yes, Red Cloud, it happens, on average, every day.
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Sure, Obama thinks private health insurance can coexist with a Gov't option, but how can you truly expect private industry to compete for long with the Gov't when a Gov't option doesn't have to make a profit and is supported by an unlimited ability to print money? A public option is very likely to lead to the end of private health insurance, and thus to a single payer.
I have to disagree that Obama gave a straight answer on the single payer option yesterday. He is on record as previously saying that he favors the single payer option. If he comes out with a statement that says he was wrong about single payer in the past and has now changed his position on it, that's one thing that would probably ease a lot of people's minds. But if he doesn't do that, we have him talking out of both sides of his mouth, and that doesn't lead to trustworthiness. I haven't seen any such statement from him.
Sure, Obama thinks private health insurance can coexist with a Gov't option, but how can you truly expect private industry to compete for long with the Gov't when a Gov't option doesn't have to make a profit and is supported by an unlimited ability to print money? A public option is very likely to lead to the end of private health insurance, and thus to a single payer.
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That's it? People who are uninsured and don't go in for preventative care die? I have insurance and I don't go in for preventative care.
This makes me laugh. This was my favorite part.
I'm literally crying. None of these 18,000 would have died WITH health insurance? Seriously? That's rich.
People who NEED medical attention in this country GET medical attention in this country regardless of whether they are insured or not. Whether they can pay or not.
Don't be "obtuse."
Please, I'm looking for individual cases. People who needed medical attention and were denied it, and died. It shouldn't be hard.
Yet here we are, talking about implimenting a system that can do nothing but lead to what they have.
That's it? People who are uninsured and don't go in for preventative care die? I have insurance and I don't go in for preventative care.
This makes me laugh. This was my favorite part.
I'm literally crying. None of these 18,000 would have died WITH health insurance? Seriously? That's rich.
People who NEED medical attention in this country GET medical attention in this country regardless of whether they are insured or not. Whether they can pay or not.
Don't be "obtuse."
Please, I'm looking for individual cases. People who needed medical attention and were denied it, and died. It shouldn't be hard.
Yet here we are, talking about implimenting a system that can do nothing but lead to what they have.
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What makes you think I'm "little" or that I'm Duper's friend?
In order for you to believe people are dying from lack of health insurance, you need to know their names? Really?
What makes you think I'm "little" or that I'm Duper's friend?
In order for you to believe people are dying from lack of health insurance, you need to know their names? Really?
duper
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Re: Obama V: For Vendetta
Are you really as ... simple ... as the character you portray? It's hard for me to believe that you are this obtuse in real life. You ask for evidence, then scoff at the evidence. Do you actually believe that such a thing as proof exists to your standards?
Now you have made a totally outrageous claim. Prove for me that there is no possible way that the system being looked at can result in something better than Canada or Sweden.
Are you really as ... simple ... as the character you portray? It's hard for me to believe that you are this obtuse in real life. You ask for evidence, then scoff at the evidence. Do you actually believe that such a thing as proof exists to your standards?
Now you have made a totally outrageous claim. Prove for me that there is no possible way that the system being looked at can result in something better than Canada or Sweden.
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Your viewpoints. Duh.
40,000 people are saved every single day by our current healthcare system. Maybe not under a different system.
You need to know their names to believe me?
Your viewpoints. Duh.
40,000 people are saved every single day by our current healthcare system. Maybe not under a different system.
You need to know their names to believe me?
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I have relatively simple standards. You're the one stonewalling.
I can, but I'm waiting for you. You and your little friend made the first claim.
I think the lady doth protest too much.
I have relatively simple standards. You're the one stonewalling.
I can, but I'm waiting for you. You and your little friend made the first claim.
I think the lady doth protest too much.
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We should study Canada and Sweden and hopefully as many other countries as possible, in order to develop a better health care system than what they may have, (which could possibly *GASP* result in better health care systems world-wide).
Do not IGNORE other countries experiences, learn from and improve upon them.
Unless you'd like to just go ahead and leave everything as it is. I mean, you seem to be fine... so let's just tell that to the unnamed 40+ million human beings in this country without the ability to go to get preventative, precautionary, reactionary, or necessary care. I'm sure they'd love to watch you "literally cry laughing" about their lack of coverage.
We should study Canada and Sweden and hopefully as many other countries as possible, in order to develop a better health care system than what they may have, (which could possibly *GASP* result in better health care systems world-wide).
Do not IGNORE other countries experiences, learn from and improve upon them.
Unless you'd like to just go ahead and leave everything as it is. I mean, you seem to be fine... so let's just tell that to the unnamed 40+ million human beings in this country without the ability to go to get preventative, precautionary, reactionary, or necessary care. I'm sure they'd love to watch you "literally cry laughing" about their lack of coverage.
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