Obama Presidential Thread XIX: Starting a new chapter

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

Re: Obama Presidential Thread XIX: Starting a new chapter

(shakes head)

$$$$$$

that's what Fox/MSNBC/CNN/ABC/etc etc etc are all about. to think they actually embrace the crap they air ... not.

It's much more fun to pretend like they have values beyond the lowest common denominator. This way, we get to see Old Pio and Kepler troll.

 

[Bakunin]

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It's all about ratings, and Fox crushes its cable news competition on that front.

What we see on cable is the danger of profit-driven news organizations: instead of a committment to journalistic excellence, you get appeals to the lowest common denominator to draw eyeballs and ad revenue.

 

[WeWantMore]

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Is that really a "danger" though?

 

[Bakunin]

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Is that really a "danger" though?

Given its endless contribution to message board b*tchfests, yes, I'd say it is.

 

[Old Pio]

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It's much more fun to pretend like they have values beyond the lowest common denominator. This way, we get to see Old Pio and Kepler troll.

The fishing's always good. Although I occasionally say things I later regret.

 

[Old Pio]

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I love how he keeps claiming that this is "just about balancing the budget". No matter how many times union leaders say that they will concede the pay cuts and increases in their benefit contributions that Walker asks for, he not only won't budge- he's threatening to do massive layoffs of government employees if he doesn't get his way.

A GOP state senator that proposed a compromise bill which gave back the CBA rights after a few years, in exchange for having state employees contribute more to their benefits than Walker's current plan... and was roundly talked down by his colleagues.

Yeah... it's all about the budget...

Meanwhile, the Democratic state senators are still missing. If you wish to be an elected official in my state, you must either be corrupt to the bone, or your IQ must match your shoe size. This is what happens when political parties replace moderates with hardliners.

The great accomplishment of public sector unions is to use the dues of all members to elect Democrat politicians, even though at least a few of the members aren't Democrats. An even bigger accomplishment is to get all the taxpayers of a state (in this case, Wisonsin) to contribute to Democrat candidates through their taxes, even though, with a Republican house, senate and governor, we instinctively know not everyone in Wisconsin votes democratic.

Plus, big points for co-opting the language. Union goons, when referring to "working families," are referring to themselves. The other 5.3 million people living in Wisconsin must be getting help from a rich uncle in Chicago.

 

[omahasioux1]

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You'd think maybe Kepler would be upset about MSNBC's deriliction in not showing the union violence and incivility from the past week?

You'd think maybe an expose on the people who believe "in the power of persuasion and if that doesn't work the persuasion of power" (Obama friend, repeated White House visitor, former SEIU head Andy Stern).

Everybody worries about the "simmering" violence of the "teabaggers" that never occurs... but the ACTUAL violence of the left doesn't register. Way to set the bar people.

Just watched a union thug assault a cameraman after he asked if they could have a intelligent discussion. Thug says you are not intelligent and are you filming this after he hit the cameraman.

 

[Old Pio]

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It's all about ratings, and Fox crushes its cable news competition on that front.

What we see on cable is the danger of profit-driven news organizations: instead of a committment to journalistic excellence, you get appeals to the lowest common denominator to draw eyeballs and ad revenue.

There's no question you're right. All major media have become tabloidized, to one extent or another. Lindsey Lohan? Isn't she a car hop in Sheboygan or something? Even the NYT has been infected. As I've mentioned before, during Willie Smith's rape trial in florida they wouldn't publish the name of the accuser. But when the National Enquirer did, they reported what the Enquirer had done, including the lady's name. Nice.

On the other hand, the days of meaninful journalisnm (at the Times) produced Walter Duranty. Was that better?

 

[omahasioux1]

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You are drunk right? Dear lord please tell me you are drunk!

Listening to the tape of Walker talking about hiring people to cause problems at the rallies is pretty hilarious. (especially when he says they didnt do it because they thought if it got out of hand people would push harder for him to settle) Also his idea of fraudulent negotiating with the Dem leaders makes him look real good. I am sure a couple people here will make up some reason to defend this tactic or justify it or even just tell us it is being overblown but Walker is so stupid he was caught on tape. Christ even Dubya wouldnt be that dumb. He undermined his own actions and opinions and now the whole world knows what a conniving d-bag he is. It was bad enough that he still refused to give up his holy quest to end collective bargaining after the unions made the concessions he wanted (proving his bs about doing it for the budget and not to break the unions was a bunch of mularky) but now no one is going to trust a word this guy says.

Congrats Sconnie you guys got yourself a winner. I thought it was bad when we elected Dayton but you just had to top us didnt you

Are you high? please tell me you are high.

 

[Old Pio]

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Just watched a union thug assault a cameraman after he asked if they could have a intelligent discussion. Thug says you are not intelligent and are you filming this after he hit the cameraman.

Richard Maddow told two enormous whoppers on his show which to my knowledge have not been retracted: He first said there's no budget shortfall in Wisconsin, quoting a document which says there will be a surplus of 120 million or so. 'Course there's an asterisk from the guy who wrote the memo pointing out his calculations didn't include 250 to 300 million in other obligations (paying a court settlement to Minnesota, Medicare, Medicaid, etc).

Then he claimed the amount of shortfall Walker is talking about for this year 140 million is "almost exactly the amount of the tax cuts he rammed through the legislture for his fat cat friends (I'm paraphrasing)" Those tax cuts don't take affect until the next fiscal year, in July, and therefore, have nothing to do with any shortfall in the current fiscal year. But hey, he was on a roll.

At a minimum, Richard's remarks amounted to gross professional dereliction of duty. At worst lies.

 

[unofan]

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The great accomplishment of public sector unions is to use the dues of all members to elect Democrat politicians, even though at least a few of the members aren't Democrats. An even bigger accomplishment is to get all the taxpayers of a state (in this case, Wisonsin) to contribute to Democrat candidates through their taxes, even though, with a Republican house, senate and governor, we instinctively know not everyone in Wisconsin votes democratic.

The great accomplishment of corporate officers is to use the corporate handouts for all businesses to elect Republican politicians, even though at least a few of the officers aren't Republicans. An even bigger accomplishment is to get all the taxpayers of a state (in this case, Wisonsin) to contribute to Republican candidates through corporate tax cuts and handouts, even though roughly half of hte population voted for someone else, so we instinctively know not everyone in Wisconsin votes Republican.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

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The great accomplishment of corporate officers is to use the corporate handouts for all businesses to elect Republican politicians, even though at least a few of the officers aren't Republicans. An even bigger accomplishment is to get all the taxpayers of a state (in this case, Wisonsin) to contribute to Republican candidates through corporate tax cuts and handouts, even though roughly half of hte population voted for someone else, so we instinctively know not everyone in Wisconsin votes Republican.

Probably the perfect way to respond. Both parties do what they can to cheat the system. The way I read it in the history books, it seems like so many people were shocked to discover Nixon was sort of a scumbag. They should have (and probably had) known loooooooong beforehand what these politicians were really up to.

(I still don't know what that post of his had to do with what he quoted from mine... so I'll just leave it up to you guys)

 

[Kepler]

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Roger Ailes has access to fighter planes to strafe Democrats? And this commitment to elect Republicans differs from organized labor's efforts on behalf of Democrats how?

I'm glad you just equated a lobby with a "news organization." You made my point for me, thanks.

 

[Kepler]

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It's much more fun to pretend like they have values beyond the lowest common denominator. This way, we get to see Old Pio and Kepler troll.

We aren't trolling. Trolling is terrorism -- the point is destruction. That aint my agenda, and I don't believe it's OP's either.

Now, if you mean bickering, I concede your point completely.

 

[WeWantMore]

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This is a little more than PSAs.

Michelle Obama isn’t the only one waging a war on obesity. Unbeknownst to them, taxpayers are too.

A stimulus-funded anti-obesity campaign has spread throughout the country. And the $650 million Recovery Act program called Communities Putting Prevention to Work (CPPW) is funding not just anti-obesity campaigns in New York City, but campaigns throughout the country.

Thirty-one localities — from cities in Hawaii to Maine to South Carolina — have received grants to combat the effects of sugary drinks and trans fats on residents’ waistlines.

 

[Bob Gray]

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The great accomplishment of corporate officers is to use the corporate handouts for all businesses to elect Republican politicians, even though at least a few of the officers aren't Republicans. An even bigger accomplishment is to get all the taxpayers of a state (in this case, Wisonsin) to contribute to Republican candidates through corporate tax cuts and handouts, even though roughly half of hte population voted for someone else, so we instinctively know not everyone in Wisconsin votes Republican.

Corporate handouts go to both Dems and Reps, so that doesn't really compare having the misfortune to be forced to be a union member and have your union dues pay for some labor honcho's political games. My dad was stuck being an NEA member and he didn't agree with a lot of the political stances the NEA took, but was forced to fund their political campaigns through his dues.

 

[unofan]

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My dad was stuck being an NEA member and he didn't agree with a lot of the political stances the NEA took, but was forced to fund their political campaigns through his dues.

I don't agree with a lot of the political stances of Fortune 500 CEO's, but I'm forced to fund their political campaigns through handouts paid for with my tax dollars.

Yes it's (somewhat) of a stretch, but no more so than Old Pio's original comparison.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I don't agree with a lot of the political stances of Fortune 500 CEO's, but I'm forced to fund their political campaigns through handouts paid for with my tax dollars.

This.

 

[Bakunin]

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It's well established that corporations donate to both parties quite heavily in order to hedge their bets and make sure they get at least some of what they want no matter who wins a given election.

Or if we want to carry this stupid argument even further, let's address the fact that tax dollars pay public sector employees who are very heavily skewed toward the Dems and who undoubtedly donate some of that money to elect Dems. Whichever way you slice it, money is being forcibly taken from people to pay for things they don't like either directly or indirectly.

 

[Bob Gray]

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I don't agree with a lot of the political stances of Fortune 500 CEO's, but I'm forced to fund their political campaigns through handouts paid for with my tax dollars.

Yes it's (somewhat) of a stretch, but no more so than Old Pio's original comparison.

Our tax dollars go to all sorts of stuff much of which we don't agree with, but there's at least the concept of public good through public policy decided on by elected officials. Whereas union honchos taking worker dollars to push their political agendas to me is very different and the workers who oppose the union political activities have no recourse.