Obama 9 -- Its Been a Whole Year Now

[Handyman]

Re: Obama 9 -- Its Been a Whole Year Now

Why...do you honestly believe he is the first president to put his feet up on his desk in the Oval Office...I mean you don't really do you?

Or do you think that is worse than what Monica used to do at that desk or what I am sure lots of other presidents and/or their guests did.

 

[5mn_Major]

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Ya know I wasnt going to watch the State of the Union speech because frankly I am sick of listening to Obama talk but I might have to now just to see how he handles the clusterfrack he let happen in his big push for Health Care Reform. If I was him I would turn around, point to Pelosi and say "If it wasn't for spineless, worthless hacks like you and Harry Reid we might actually be on the verge of history..."

And Major, my Great Society comment was about how the guy is on TV like every other day. It was a joke playing off that.

And BTW no I dont agree with you...

...Obama speaking may make investors run for cover for a few days in the current climate (or invest more depending) but in the end it is the fact that the economy is not improving that is the real issue so sooner or later the drop would have happened anyways. And guess what, in a few weeks things will correct themselves again.

Umm..you just said you agreed with me a handful of posts ago. Now you say you don't.

The issue hasn't changed. I said the market goes up with Obama's policy speeches and soon comes back down. Now you say you disagree with me while stating you believe exactly what I just said less than 20 posts back (#84).

You want to try to explain for the third time?

 

[gregg729]

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So I know everyone's gonna jump on my sh** here. But I'm just not inclined to go through 5 pages of USCHO cafe before I comment.

It's plainly clear that centrist America has rejected Obama on his one year CINC anniversery. The question is, if that's because of his socialized health care scheme. If I were a Democrat, I'd suggest forcing the issue down the throats of the average American people who have clearly stated they don't want it. Make it a big brawl, the Democratic party vs. America. Just to see how much you can choke feed we the people, ya know?

After all, Coakley only lost because Democrats were so dissatisfied with Bush. I'm quite sure the upset in the bluest of states won't have any impact in 2010, right?

Look, all us little people are asking for is that you DC politicians pretend to care about us. We were content for that for how many decades before the 2008 elections? Then you got a supermajority and you're calling us stupid and telling us to shut up and get out of the way. If you just start paying lip service to us again, you can win and go on with your corruption and bringing us all down. But if you insist on talking down to us, we will sink you. It's your choice, Congress. All we ask is that you give us lip service respect. If you can't do that, then we will destroy you in the 2010 elections. Your choice.

Why? To ensure that nobody's speech is 'freer' than anyone elses.

The problem is that this ruling treats individuals and corporations/unions as exactly the same. We're not talking about PACs or anything else, but treating corporations as individuals.

Unions should be treated no better than corporations - everyone with a brain believes in equal treatment.

 

[gregg729]

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Umm..you just said you agreed with me a handful of posts ago. Now you say you don't.

The issue hasn't changed. I said the market goes up with Obama's policy speeches and soon comes back down. Now you say you disagree with me while stating you believe exactly what I just said less than 20 posts back (#84).

You want to try to explain for the third time?

The market has been way, way down since the clown's latest policy speech. Care to explain that?

 

[walrus]

Re: Obama 9 -- Its Been a Whole Year Now

If you can't do that, then we will destroy you in the 2010 elections. Your choice.

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This needs to happen no matter what the present congress does

 

[Handyman]

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Umm..you just said you agreed with me a handful of posts ago. Now you say you don't.

The issue hasn't changed. I said the market goes up with Obama's policy speeches and soon comes back down. Now you say you disagree with me while stating you believe exactly what I just said less than 20 posts back (#84).

You want to try to explain for the third time?

No. Consider it a victory because I feel no need to continue this.

 

[MinnFan]

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A good article on the effects of excess gov't spending

 

[Rover]

Re: Obama 9 -- Its Been a Whole Year Now

The idea of America "rejecting Obama" based on one election in one state is a bit of stretch. That's not going to be known until November with any clarity. What I do think the American people are rejecting is the inability of Congress, despite having strong majorities, of getting anything done. While I believe Obama has the right ideas, his ability to execute on them, for whatever reason (more on that below) is the cause of considerable frustration on the left and in the middle. Health care and financial regulatory reform should have been done months ago. Obviously the country entering its 3rd year of a jobs recession is the biggest factor in people's anger. However, the ability to bank a few accomplishments along the way would help his personal standing.

To that end, Harry Reid has to go as Majority Leader. Even such people as Trent Lott and Bill Frist, neither of which are considered political heavyweights, had a far easier time moving legislation with less votes (I think 55 senators was the GOP's high water mark). From a strategic point of view, Pelosi has gotten all of the admin's priorities passed months ago. That's the Speaker's job, not the ability to win a national campaign. Reid on the other hand has turned into Tom Daschle, a guy with little political ability and someone in trouble for election in his own state. I'm aware that a lot of senators, particularly Dorgan from what I've read, lament the lack of civility that used to hold court in the upper chamber. Great, lament it, but stop whining about it and adjust to the new reality.

Beyond that, Obama needs to use his office to get more senators on board. Every president spreads a little federal largesse around when some votes are needed. To me Obama has seemed a lot less inclined to do that, and he needs to reconsider for his agenda's sake.

 

[MinnFan]

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The idea of America "rejecting Obama" based on one election in one state is a bit of stretch. That's not going to be known until November with any clarity. What I do think the American people are rejecting is the inability of Congress, despite having strong majorities, of getting anything done. While I believe Obama has the right ideas, his ability to execute on them, for whatever reason (more on that below) is the cause of considerable frustration on the left and in the middle. Health care and financial regulatory reform should have been done months ago. Obviously the country entering its 3rd year of a jobs recession is the biggest factor in people's anger. However, the ability to bank a few accomplishments along the way would help his personal standing.

So the public is so fustrated that they didn't accomplish anything they took away the Dem's supermajority; the biggest tool Obama had going to accomplish his agenda?

It really is interesting how far in denial the Left is that America has rejected its policies.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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So the public is so fustrated that they didn't accomplish anything they took away the Dem's supermajority; the biggest tool Obama had going to accomplish his agenda?

It really is interesting how far in denial the Left is that America has rejected its policies.

You're a little flawed in your logic. The country is split in half on whether they want Obama's agenda or not. That's never enough to get anything done. Many of Bush's successes were done through reconcillation. Example:

– The 2001 Bush Tax Cuts [HR 1836, 3/26/01]
– The 2003 Bush Tax Cuts [HR 2, 3/23/03]
– Tax Increase Prevention and Reconciliation Act of 2005 [HR 4297, 5/11/06]
– The Deficit Reduction Act of 2005 [H. Con Res. 95, 12/21/05]

The only other two things he passed were leftist agenda items that the left were trying to pass on their own. Prescription Drugs and NCLB.

This is what America has become. Not United we Stand, but Split Right Down the Middle we Argue.

 

[Rover]

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So the public is so fustrated that they didn't accomplish anything they took away the Dem's supermajority; the biggest tool Obama had going to accomplish his agenda?

It really is interesting how far in denial the Left is that America has rejected its policies.

What's the point in preserving a super majority that's not getting things accomplished? Had Obama's team been clicking and things had gotten passed the case for maintaining 60 gets a lot stronger. As is a lot of people who might normally be compelled to vote for this reason stayed home.

 

[MattS]

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What's the point in preserving a super majority that's not getting things accomplished? Had Obama's team been clicking and things had gotten passed the case for maintaining 60 gets a lot stronger. As is a lot of people who might normally be compelled to vote for this reason stayed home.

Are you honestly trying to tell us that people stayed home and did not vote to take away the super majority?

 

[geezer]

Re: Obama 9 -- Its Been a Whole Year Now

What's the point in preserving a super majority that's not getting things accomplished? Had Obama's team been clicking and things had gotten passed the case for maintaining 60 gets a lot stronger. As is a lot of people who might normally be compelled to vote for this reason stayed home.

That's right. I think he wasn't activist and progressive enough. He needs to do more to force far-reaching "consolidation of power" legislation through, which will provide a big lift for... "the party".... in the mid-terms.

re: shoes on desk, I have to say those pics are good PR. Don't ask me why... gives him a sort of U.S. Grant/TR type of take-charge cred. Who's gonna tell the prez you can't do that?

 

[Rover]

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Are you honestly trying to tell us that people stayed home and did not vote to take away the super majority?

From American Conservative magazine...

According to the new Washington Post poll of Massachusetts voters, between approximately one-third and one-half of Brown’s voters claimed that neither Obama (52%) nor the Democratic agenda (29%) in Washington was a factor in their vote. The difference in opposition to Obama among Brown voters (43%) and opposition to the Democratic agenda (65%) is fairly remarkable, as if one could cast a vote to convey displeasure with the agenda without also sending a message of opposition to Obama. Inexplicably, a small percentage of Brown voters (4 and 5% respectively) said that they were voting for Brown to express support for Obama or the Democratic agenda. We also find that 29% of Brown’s voters had voted for Obama, and 33% still approve of Obama’s job performance. 24% of Brown voters are enthusiastic or satisfied with administration policies! They have a funny way of showing it.

Also 52% of Brown voters had a favorable view of Ted Kennedy!

 

[SteveP]

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please tell me this is a doctored photo.

Apparently not. These photos were reportedly taken by WH photographer Pete Souza.

 

[MattS]

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From American Conservative magazine...

According to the new Washington Post poll of Massachusetts voters, between approximately one-third and one-half of Brown’s voters claimed that neither Obama (52%) nor the Democratic agenda (29%) in Washington was a factor in their vote. The difference in opposition to Obama among Brown voters (43%) and opposition to the Democratic agenda (65%) is fairly remarkable, as if one could cast a vote to convey displeasure with the agenda without also sending a message of opposition to Obama. Inexplicably, a small percentage of Brown voters (4 and 5% respectively) said that they were voting for Brown to express support for Obama or the Democratic agenda. We also find that 29% of Brown’s voters had voted for Obama, and 33% still approve of Obama’s job performance. 24% of Brown voters are enthusiastic or satisfied with administration policies! They have a funny way of showing it.

Also 52% of Brown voters had a favorable view of Ted Kennedy!

All which has nothing to do with the super majority.

 

[Rimbaud]

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Thankfully we didn't have that type of behavior before Obama.

FAUX OUTRAGE!!!!

 

[geezer]

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From American Conservative magazine...

According to the new Washington Post poll of Massachusetts voters, between approximately one-third and one-half of Brown’s voters claimed that neither Obama (52%) nor the Democratic agenda (29%) in Washington was a factor in their vote. The difference in opposition to Obama among Brown voters (43%) and opposition to the Democratic agenda (65%) is fairly remarkable, as if one could cast a vote to convey displeasure with the agenda without also sending a message of opposition to Obama. Inexplicably, a small percentage of Brown voters (4 and 5% respectively) said that they were voting for Brown to express support for Obama or the Democratic agenda. We also find that 29% of Brown’s voters had voted for Obama, and 33% still approve of Obama’s job performance. 24% of Brown voters are enthusiastic or satisfied with administration policies! They have a funny way of showing it.

Also 52% of Brown voters had a favorable view of Ted Kennedy!

from Timothy Noah

According to an election-night poll by Scott Rasmussen (who leans conservative but has a pretty good track record), 56 percent of Massachusetts voters said health care was the most important factor in their voting decisions

(it was in opposition not to Obama, but to health care takeover in particular)

 

[rufus]

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edit: the problem for Obama is that he doesn't reach out because that's not what he believes. He believes in the inevitable righteousness of what he wants so compromise falls out of the lexicon. He doesn't reach out because he is an ideologue...

Right, cause this whole health care reform thing hasn't been a bit about compromise.

If he was the idelaogue you claim he is, he would have walked into Congress, said 'this is what I want' and then strongarmed them and browbeat them into giving it to him.

You know, like Dick Cheney did.

 

[rufus]

Re: Obama 9 -- Its Been a Whole Year Now

So I know everyone's gonna jump on my sh** here. But I'm just not inclined to go through 5 pages of USCHO cafe before I comment.

It's plainly clear that centrist America has rejected Obama on his one year CINC anniversery. The question is, if that's because of his socialized health care scheme. If I were a Democrat, I'd suggest forcing the issue down the throats of the average American people who have clearly stated they don't want it. Make it a big brawl, the Democratic party vs. America. Just to see how much you can choke feed we the people, ya know?

Funny, cause polls in Massachusetts say exactly the opposite, that they don't think Obama's been forceful enough, nor gone far enough in his policy goals.

But keep on believing what you want to believe, if it makes you feel all superior at the end of the day.