Obama 9 -- Its Been a Whole Year Now

[Handyman]

Re: Obama 9 -- Its Been a Whole Year Now

Medicare was expanded to cover prescription drugs. -Socialist
NCLB -Socialist

Probably the most socialist leaning legislation that has passed in the last 50 years.

Silly Scooby...obviously you know nothing of being a socialist! To be a true socialist you have to CALL YOURSELF a socialist...if you don't label yourself as one it is quite obvious you aren't one.

Of course that means Obama isn't one either...so...ummm...****it I think my head just exploded

 

[Wol4ine]

Re: Obama 9 -- Its Been a Whole Year Now

Medicare was expanded to cover prescription drugs. -Socialist
NCLB -Socialist

Probably the most socialist leaning legislation that has passed in the last 50 years.

Don't know if 'expanding' Medicare is more socialist than the creation of Medicare, but I agree - socialist

NCLB- I admit that I'm not very familiar with this as I have no kids. I thought that it allowed parents to transfer kids to other schools if their school is under performing. That's good. That's freedom. However, if there are government mandates involved (which I suspect there are) then thats bad. Thats socialism. Don't think that rates up there with desegregation, but that wasn't legislation as much as a USSC ruling. wow, that was over 50 years ago too, time flies.

Don't remember how people reacted to Medicare expansion. I do know Bush took a lot of heat for NCLB. However, I think it was because it was under funded. correct me if I'm wrong here,

 

[MinnFan]

Re: Obama 9 -- Its Been a Whole Year Now

Social Security is one of the most efficient programs out there (last number I saw was about 2% overhead). I guess the private sector always does everything better, that's why the government does so much.

And this is where I point out (again) that my broker does much the same thing as SS and only charges 1%. And that includes the cost of their infrastructure, which SS's 2% does not include.

Also, SS was originally set up to be insurance and to suppliment the retirement funds you had set aside. It was never meant to provide anywhere near enough to live on.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Obama 9 -- Its Been a Whole Year Now

And this is where I point out (again) that my broker does much the same thing as SS and only charges 1%. And that includes the cost of their infrastructure, which SS's 2% does not include.

And this is where I point out (again) that my broker does much the same thing as SS and only charges 1%. And that includes the cost of their infrastructure, which SS's 2% does not include.[/QUOTE]

Your broker doesn't care if your sick, or disabled, or the primary bread winner dies. And short term and long term disability insurance if you don't have it and want to buy it IS EXPENSIVE and has high overhead.

I'm still waiting for someone to point out how the private sector has SOLVED the problems that the social safety net has tried to solve.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Obama 9 -- Its Been a Whole Year Now

Don't know if 'expanding' Medicare is more socialist than the creation of Medicare, but I agree - socialist

NCLB- I admit that I'm not very familiar with this as I have no kids. I thought that it allowed parents to transfer kids to other schools if their school is under performing. That's good. That's freedom. However, if there are government mandates involved (which I suspect there are) then thats bad. Thats socialism. Don't think that rates up there with desegregation, but that wasn't legislation as much as a USSC ruling. wow, that was over 50 years ago too, time flies.

Don't remember how people reacted to Medicare expansion. I do know Bush took a lot of heat for NCLB. However, I think it was because it was under funded. correct me if I'm wrong here,

That one always cracked me up. You've always had that freedom. All NCLB and vouchers have done is mandate that the government pays for your kid to get bussed to another school. Another government mandate. That does what? Costs money that no one has.

It's beyond comical how the right continues to tout low taxes and yet creates policies that increase cost.

 

[MinnFan]

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Your broker doesn't care if your sick, or disabled, or the primary bread winner dies. And short term and long term disability insurance if you don't have it and want to buy it IS EXPENSIVE and has high overhead.

What does that have to do with the cost of running the program

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Obama 9 -- Its Been a Whole Year Now

What does that have to do with the cost of running the program

You compared it to how much your broker costs and your broker does not provide all the services that SS does. How is that a fair comparison?

 

[MinnFan]

Re: Obama 9 -- Its Been a Whole Year Now

You compared it to how much your broker costs and your broker does not provide all the services that SS does. How is that a fair comparison?

My broker provides more services. They actually have to find ways to make me money by finding good investments. All SS does is cut checks. They don't actually provide a service.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Obama 9 -- Its Been a Whole Year Now

My broker provides more services. They actually have to find ways to make me money by finding good investments. All SS does is cut checks. They don't actually provide a service.

{sigh}

 

[Handyman]

Re: Obama 9 -- Its Been a Whole Year Now

My broker provides more services. They actually have to find ways to make me money by finding good investments. All SS does is cut checks. They don't actually provide a service.

Wow...have you ever met someone on SS or are you another one of those shut ins who knows everything about nothing because they can read it on Drudge?

 

[MinnFan]

Re: Obama 9 -- Its Been a Whole Year Now

Wow...have you ever met someone on SS or are you another one of those shut ins who knows everything about nothing because they can read it on Drudge?

I'm not talking about what it does for people. I'm simply speaking to how the program incurs costs and the overall efficiency of running the program.

 

[pirate]

Re: Obama 9 -- Its Been a Whole Year Now

That one always cracked me up. You've always had that freedom. All NCLB and vouchers have done is mandate that the government pays for your kid to get bussed to another school. Another government mandate. That does what? Costs money that no one has.

It's beyond comical how the right continues to tout low taxes and yet creates policies that increase cost.

to your last point, every policy creates cost, they haven't found one yet that doesn't cost us more ...but you are right, it is more interesting when it is the budget hawks who are spending it

 

[Bill]

Re: Obama 9 -- Its Been a Whole Year Now

I'm still waiting for someone to point out how the private sector has SOLVED the problems that the social safety net has tried to solve.

It's called taking some personal responsibility by planning for your own retirement, using private sector financial advisors, brokers, doing your own due diligence, etc. on what retirement investment opportunities are available and then taking advantage of them. As has been pointed out, SS was never intended to be the sole source retirement option for the population. To the extent it has done so is a failure of schools to provide financial education and a failure of the population to take the intiative to educate themselves financially.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Obama 9 -- Its Been a Whole Year Now

It's called taking some personal responsibility by planning for your own retirement, using private sector financial advisors, brokers, doing your own due diligence, etc. on what retirement investment opportunities are available and then taking advantage of them. As has been pointed out, SS was never intended to be the sole source retirement option for the population. To the extent it has done so is a failure of schools to provide financial education and a failure of the population to take the intiative to educate themselves financially.

All good and fine. But, you know how this works. The government can't force you to plan for your own retirement. They've tried to force you to protect yourself by buying health insurance and folks are having a field day. Listen, I have no problem with the failures and tragic people in our society being floated down the red river like a UND goaltender but for some reason people keep passing legislation to the contrary and many of them are supposed "conservatives".

 

[eaglehockeyrules]

Re: Obama 9 -- Its Been a Whole Year Now

All good and fine. But, you know how this works. The government can't force you to plan for your own retirement. They've tried to force you to protect yourself by buying health insurance and folks are having a field day. Listen, I have no problem with the failures and tragic people in our society being floated down the red river like a UND goaltender but for some reason people keep passing legislation to the contrary and many of them are supposed "conservatives".

Do you argue all day long, against anything republican, on this forum just because you are a miserable SOB?

Do you really get anything out of all of this arguing, pffing, and moaning?

No offense, but get outside and breath in some fresh air as you really seem like a miserable sort.

 

[Wol4ine]

Re: Obama 9 -- Its Been a Whole Year Now

And this is where I point out (again) that my broker does much the same thing as SS and only charges 1%. And that includes the cost of their infrastructure, which SS's 2% does not include.

Your broker doesn't care if your sick, or disabled, or the primary bread winner dies. And short term and long term disability insurance if you don't have it and want to buy it IS EXPENSIVE and has high overhead.

I'm still waiting for someone to point out how the private sector has SOLVED the problems that the social safety net has tried to solve.

If the bread winner dies, he'll give all the money back to the family at least. Do the adult children get any money from SS after their parents pass away?

The gov't relies on people passing away prior to collecting any SS in order to pay for those that survive late into life.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Obama 9 -- Its Been a Whole Year Now

Do you argue all day long, against anything republican, on this forum just because you are a miserable SOB?

Do you really get anything out of all of this arguing, pffing, and moaning?

No offense, but get outside and breath in some fresh air as you really seem like a miserable sort.

What?

 

[eaglehockeyrules]

Re: Obama 9 -- Its Been a Whole Year Now

Do you argue all day long, against anything republican, on this forum just because you are a miserable SOB?

Do you really get anything out of all of this arguing, pffing, and moaning?

What?

From my last exchange with you last week, you know, the one where you refused like a child to answer the single simple question of, "what party do you claim as yours?" I realize you are not forthcoming or honest about answering questions.

That said, the two additional questions I asked of you are rather simplistic in form. If you are not going to answer them, man-up, and say you are not going to answer them.

Regardless, you seem like one miserable SOB who just likes to argue.

"So simple a UNH fan can do it."

 

[Priceless]

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If the bread winner dies, he'll give all the money back to the family at least. Do the adult children get any money from SS after their parents pass away?

The gov't relies on people passing away prior to collecting any SS in order to pay for those that survive late into life.

That's why we have to have death panels!

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Obama 9 -- Its Been a Whole Year Now

Do you argue all day long, against anything republican, on this forum just because you are a miserable SOB?

Do you really get anything out of all of this arguing, pffing, and moaning?



From my last exchange with you last week, you know, the one where you refused like a child to answer the single simple question of, "what party do you claim as yours?" I realize you are not forthcoming or honest about answering questions.

That said, the two additional questions I asked of you are rather simplistic in form. If you are not going to answer them, man-up, and say you are not going to answer them.

Regardless, you seem like one miserable SOB who just likes to argue.

"So simple a UNH fan can do it."

I don't see what I said in here that makes me a Democrat or argues against true conservatism. I offered up the cutting or removal of the social safety net. Argued against NCLB and the medicare prescription drug program.

If pointing out that Social Security does more than give me money when I retire makes me a Democrat than so be it. I don't get it though.