Obama 7 - now what?

[walrus]

Re: Obama 7 - now what?

About everyone here has/has had H1N1. Overrated. It's quite a bit milder than the normal flu for most people. Although my bro-in-law was laid up for over a week and finally needed treatment for pneumonia.

While this may or may not be true, I though pregnant women and school age kids were first in line.

 

[walrus]

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We have the best health care in the world. Don't question its workings. )

Isn't the Gov't handling the distribution of these shots?

 

[Slap Shot]

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Not quite:

In November 2000 Fannie Mae announced that the Department of Housing and Urban Development would soon require it to dedicate 50% of its business to low- and moderate-income families.

That's not 50% of the entire industry, that's 50% of Fannie Mae. Again, Fannie/Freddie/federally backed agencies did not provide the vast majority of the subprime loans and loan failures, but rather the private lending sector did.

Please note that the intent of this clarification isn't to defend Fannie/Freddie nor the government for pushing them in the subprime direction, but rather to simply clarify that they were not remotely as responsible for the subprime market collapse as legend would lead some to believe.

 

[Plante26]

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That's not 50% of the entire industry, that's 50% of Fannie Mae. Again, Fannie/Freddie/federally backed agencies did not provide the vast majority of the subprime loans and loan failures, but rather the private lending sector did.

But I thought you said Fannie/Freddie weren't involved in CRA/subprime lending at all?

Face it. The GSEs are just as much at fault as any private lender, and maybe even moreso as they took the lead on this irresponsible lending.

 

[amherstblackbear]

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Isn't the Gov't handling the distribution of these shots?

They probably are - for the little people.

But since when did money stop buying influence?

 

[walrus]

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They probably are - for the little people.

But since when did money stop buying influence?

I understand, change we can believe. I can only imagine what would be said about this if Bush was still in office.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33655838/ns/health-cold_and_flu/.

 

[Slap Shot]

But I thought you said Fannie/Freddie weren't involved in CRA/subprime lending at all?

Nothing I said even remotely implies such a thing..The fact is the private sector dominated that market to the point of rendering Fannie/Freddie a bit player. I have to assume you're intentionally obfuscating this discussion either to carry on beating the dead horse or to avoid having to accept reality. I appreciate your imbibing contributions so I'll stop there.

 

[BassAle]

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If that is the case, then your intolerance of groups within the Christian faith would make you a bigot, wouldn't it?

sorry buddy, you can't use religion as an excuse for bigotry. Plenty of Christian people voted to keep the law on the books. I don't hate them. Religion is a convenient excuse. This law preserved religion freedom by allowing religions to choose whether or not they want to perform or recognize same-sex marriage. Separation of church and state. Either the government has to get out of the marriage business OR same-sex marriage needs to be allowed. There is not one pushing for the former (or not enough people), so the second has to happen. something like 47% of the voters wanted to keep the law. In just a couple years if this goes to vote again same-sex marriage will be legal.

It is just a matter of time, but it will probably take the supreme court to make it legal in Alabama in my life time (but no surprise there):

 

[Plante26]

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sorry buddy, you can't use religion as an excuse for bigotry. Plenty of Christian people voted to keep the law on the books. I don't hate them. Religion is a convenient excuse. This law preserved religion freedom by allowing religions to choose whether or not they want to perform or recognize same-sex marriage. Separation of church and state. Either the government has to get out of the marriage business OR same-sex marriage needs to be allowed. There is not one pushing for the former (or not enough people), so the second has to happen. something like 47% of the voters wanted to keep the law. In just a couple years if this goes to vote again same-sex marriage will be legal.

It is just a matter of time, but it will probably take the supreme court to make it legal in Alabama in my life time (but no surprise there):

So, if you are intolerant of a group of people because of their race/ethnicity/sexual preference, you're a bigot, but if you're intolerant of a group of people based on their religion, you're not?

THAT makes sense.

 

[Kepler]

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It is just a matter of time, but it will probably take the supreme court to make it legal in Alabama in my life time (but no surprise there):

If you extrapolate from that chart, it appears that the tolerance increases 0.7% every year. The national rate is now 40%, so the national tipping point is about 2025. Alabama, at 23%, will bring up the rear (so to speak) in roughly 2050.

I'd bet you'd have nearly an exact match if you had the breakdown on miscegenation from 1965.

 

[BassAle]

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So, if you are intolerant of a group of people because of their race/ethnicity/sexual preference, you're a bigot, but if you're intolerant of a group of people based on their religion, you're not?

THAT makes sense.

you moron, I am not intolerant of people because of their religion. I don't care what religion you are, but keep it the hell out of my government. If they want to go to a church that does not perform same sex marriage then that is their right. They are still bigots for trying to force their "gay people are sinners" views on everyone else.

I wish I could convert my marriage into a civil union now and say I'm not married. I seriously would not get married now, if I had to do it over again, because I don't think it is fair my gay friends and coworkers can not get married (and some of these people have been in relationships for decades)

 

[walrus]

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I wish I could convert my marriage into a civil union now and say I'm not married. I seriously would not get married now, if I had to do it over again, because I don't think it is fair my gay friends and coworkers can not get married (and some of these people have been in relationships for decades)

Why can't you do that? Aren't their states that recognize civil unions?

 

[BassAle]

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I'd bet you'd have nearly an exact match if you had the breakdown on miscegenation from 1965.

exactly. these people are no better than those that tried keep interracial marriage illegal. Those that argue otherwise are in denial or are ignorant of their own bigotry.

 

[Terrierbyassociation]

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Why can't you do that? Aren't their states that recognize civil unions?

Civil unions are usually only allowed between partners of the same sex or people of the opposite sex that are 65 and older.

Allows older couples to take care of each other while not worrying about prenups and what not.

 

[BassAle]

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Why can't you do that? Aren't their states that recognize civil unions?

Not all states have civil unions. Maine does, but a civil union in Maine is not equal to a marriage under the law, is not recognized by the federal government, and I can't just walk down to city hall with my marriage license and say please turn this into a civil union. I'm not even sure if I can legally get a civil union.

 

[SPIN CONTROL]

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you moron, I am not intolerant of people because of their religion. I don't care what religion you are, but keep it the hell out of my government.

Oh I see, only the non-religious can impose their beliefs on others. That's very tolerant.

I seriously would not get married now, if I had to do it over again, because I don't think it is fair my gay friends and coworkers can not get married (and some of these people have been in relationships for decades)

Divorces are pretty easy to get nowadays, perhaps you should get one since it would be the fair thing to do.

 

[Plante26]

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They are still bigots for trying to force their "gay people are sinners" views on everyone else.

And your intolerance of their religious views would make you a bigot by the very definition of the word, just as anyone who is intolerant of homosexuals is a bigot.

This is what I've been trying to get you to read between the lines.....in the end, unless you agree with everyone's views all of the time (which isn't possible), you're a bigot. Which is why I don't like to use that label in conjunction with any one group of people.

 

[Terrierbyassociation]

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Not all states have civil unions. Maine does, but a civil union in Maine is not equal to a marriage under the law, is not recognized by the federal government, and I can't just walk down to city hall with my marriage license and say please turn this into a civil union. I'm not even sure if I can legally get a civil union.

Actually you can get civil unions, Maine allows opposite sex couples to get them.

Good for Maine in that regard.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

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in the end, unless you agree with everyone's views all of the time (which isn't possible), you're a bigot.

That's a rather strict definition of the word "bigot". Doesn't it mean being grossly intolerant of other people's beliefs, as opposed to simply not agreeing with them?

 

[St. Clown]

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All the talk of gay marriage some time in the past (and I presume is still going on by the time my post hits), it raises just one question for me.

What happens if a hermaphodite marries another hermaphrodite? Is that considered a straight couple, gay couple or lesbian couple? Or is the couple guilty of bigamy because it could be considered three different types of marriage all rolled into one?

Enquiring minds want to know.