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Obama 7 - now what?

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Are you hearing those voices again? I didn't say anything even close to that pious old p***k being the "voice of liberalism." He is, however, a former POTUS and a Nobel Peace Prize Winner. Under normal circumstances, except when you're running for cover, he would be someone you'd proudly quote. So "only right wingers" (and a handful at that) are concerned about JC's smears? It's a good thing the rest of the country doesn't share your demanding sense of fair play.

Let me see if I understand fmm theorum II: complaining about being libeled and slandered is "playing the victim in order to get sympathy." Got it. Sort of "heads I win, tails you lose" isn't it? As to "nobody cares," it's obvious you don't. Try to remember your attitude here the next time somebody says something about liberals that gets you screaming like a middle school girl on a roller coaster.

I think most of us would gladly stop talking about race, particularly BO's, but it's really hard to do when he and his surrogates and friends keep bringing it up. And I find it breath taking that someone on your side of the equation would suggest that "nobody cares about race," given that the left is consumed by racial matters and playing the race card is a standard part of the canon.

OK, I don't see racist leanings against the right...and feel very little of it is racist. If you're believing that a large number of folks feel the right is racist...it might be because the right is largely negative, ie critical (whether its of policy or opponents). Usually people don't buy into sincerity when there's no actual solutions or answers. And the right media (and many addicts of it I've talked to) frequently has little.

Regardless, the right just has to serve up some good policy at some point.
 
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OK, I don't see racist leanings against the right...and feel very little of it is racist. If you're believing that a large number of folks feel the right is racist...it might be because the right is largely negative, ie critical (whether its of policy or opponents). Usually people don't buy into sincerity when there's no actual solutions or answers. And the right media (and many addicts of it I've talked to) frequently has little.

Regardless, the right just has to serve up some good policy at some point.

As to the policy part, I agree. I assume you deal with these "adicts" of conservatism during your community service. :D
 
C'mon, Pio! Don't you know that conservatives are all racists even though the overwhelming majority of us would rather not pay attention to race whatsoever? Because apparently WE'RE the ones that favor policies like hate crime legislation and affirmative action......:rolleyes:

Everyone issue a [sigh] for poor, poor Plantey.

[sigh]

Hope you feel better.
 
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Rufus believes in the First Amendment (he's evidently in a generous mood) but you've got to express yourself in the approved way, with arguments he determines to be relevant, otherwise you're a racist. And his proof is that somewhere out there some people actually ARE racists, and THEY disapprove of BO's policies, therefore anyone who disagrees with BO is a racist. He seems to have a problem differentiating between correlation and causation.

Don't you dare to assume what I think and believe.
 
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Everyone issue a [sigh] for poor, poor Plantey.

[sigh]

Hope you feel better.


Hey slappy....remember when you proclaimed that there was only 1 "secret meeting" a couple of weeks ago re: healthcare reform? Care to give us an updated tally?....or just admit that your exuberant proclamation was a little over-stated?
 
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I find this disturbing.

Bill in works to let U.S. dissolve failing firms
Intent is to avoid bailouts 'No taxpayer money' would be spent

By David Cho, Brady Dennis and Neil Irwin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, October 27, 2009

House Democrats and the Obama administration are preparing to introduce major legislation aimed at eliminating the devil's choice the government faced last fall, when officials felt forced to decide between spending billions of dollars to rescue some of the nation's most powerful financial firms or letting their failures sink the economy.

The lawmakers and Treasury Department officials labored over the weekend to finish drafting legislation that would empower the government to seize troubled firms other than banks that are deemed "too big to fail." The legislation would set up the Federal Reserve to oversee the largest financial firms, and eliminate the agency that regulates thrifts. The officials said the measure could be unveiled as soon as Tuesday.

The proposal comes as debate intensifies over how far the government should go in restructuring the financial system, and it follows House action last week toward creating a consumer protection agency to oversee lending practices. Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.), chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, is shepherding the effort, in close coordination with Treasury.

Officials at Treasury and the Fed have pushed for "resolution authority" over non-bank financial firms for months, viewing it as one of the most important tools for dealing with future crises.

The intent of the new authority would be to give a government agency the power to take over a failing firm and dissolve it outside of the bankruptcy process, injecting money if necessary to make the unwinding orderly. Shareholders and creditors of the failing company would incur losses, and the financial industry would foot the bill for any bailout.

Under the current draft of the legislation, financial firms would not be assessed an upfront fee that would be used to cover the government's cost of managing major failures, a Democratic official said. Instead, the bill calls for imposing such fees after a collapse in order to recoup the government's expense, the official said.

"We are pursuing a policy of polluter pays," said the official, who commented on the condition of anonymity because the details had not yet been announced. "There would be no taxpayer money put into this."

Responsibility for monitoring risks in the financial system would be shared between the Fed and a council of bank regulators.

The central bank would be responsible for directly supervising the largest financial companies -- including big banks, giant insurers, and possibly even private equity firms and hedge funds -- and would force them to hold more capital in their reserves. Frank's bill, however, gives more power to the council than the administration originally envisioned, including the ability to determine which firms are put under the Fed's umbrella of oversight.

The bill proposes eliminating the Office of Thrift Supervision, which has been widely blamed for missing problems at some of the nation's biggest financial firms, including Washington Mutual and American International Group. Thrifts would continue to exist and would be monitored by the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, which would be renamed the National Bank Supervisor.

Prominent economists

A handful of prominent economists, including former Fed chairmen Alan Greenspan and Paul A. Volcker, who is President Obama's top outside economic adviser, say the administration's plan would not be enough to prevent another crisis. Financiers will find loopholes in any new regulations that are set up by the government, these economists warn. Greenspan and Volcker, in particular, have advocated for splitting up big banks.

Officials at Treasury and the Fed have been skeptical that such a break-up would work in practice. Daniel K. Tarullo, a Fed governor, said last week that dividing up the biggest banks would be fraught with "conceptual and practical challenges," and is "more a provocative idea than a proposal," though he added that having the idea in circulation can help focus the debate toward containing the risks created by enormous banks.

Fed Chairman Ben S. Bernanke also weighed in on Friday, saying he preferred "a more subtle approach without losing the economic benefit of multifunction, international firms."

Meg Reilly, a Treasury spokeswoman, declined to comment.

Concerns remain

Republicans on the House Financial Services Committee have remained skeptical of granting the government power to wind down or bail out large, non-bank financial institutions. In July, they proposed creating a new chapter in the bankruptcy code to deal with such troubled firms, saying it would make for a smoother, fairer process.

"We think that's a better way to deal with failed non-banks," a Republican staff member, who was not authorized to speak on the record, said Monday. "That way, politics is not part of the equation."

Concerns have also deepened in Congress, among Republicans and some Democrats, that the program could amount to a permanent bailout fund and reduce private market discipline by being too generous to creditors of failed firms.

Despite such differences, the problem is clear to all sides: Banks got so big that federal officials could not let them fail without risking catastrophic consequences for the economy. During the crisis, the government arranged mergers that pushed troubled banks into the arms of more stable firms. Big firms got even bigger. Senior officials now worry that these financial behemoths could return to the reckless behavior that led to the crisis, reasoning that federal officials will clean up any mess.

Frank has made clear that he expects the new proposals will be contentious. Last week, after his committee had voted to create the new consumer financial protection agency, he was asked whether the most difficult and divisive part of regulatory overhaul was behind him.

Frank didn't hesitate. "I think the resolution authority is probably the hardest to do," he said.

Once the camel's nose gets under the tent flap......
 
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Don't you dare to assume what I think and believe.

That's a risk I'll just have to run, sport. The problem for you is the plain language you use, repeatedly, to express yourself. I'd suggest getting a copy of Strunk and White.
 
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I find this disturbing.



Once the camel's nose gets under the tent flap......

Hmmm...I think I'd need more convincing. It might be easier to decide which financial companies are "too big to fail" (lets say the Big 3 banks + Citigroup for now, AIG, maybe a few of the big insurers) and then assess their situation. Any firm with this designation would have to put up additional capital. I completely agree with the idea that you can't have another AIG ever again, a company that's taken about $200Bn to prop up and who's ability to pay that money back is suspect. This would have to be an iron clad law though, not lets just hope they don't do it again. Strictly talking banks though, after Citigroup gets downsized I believe its really only three companies that you'd have to worry about. Any others that failed and the existing system ought to be able to absorb them (most likely they'd get sold to a stronger competitor - think Wachovia).
 
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I think Congress would be better if there were more safe seats.

His best line (by far): Ralph gets to luxuriate in the purity of his irrelevance.

Really -- Who talks like that? :) (other than BF, obviously)

Yup. It's possible I agree with him maybe 10% of the time. But he's always amusing and engaging and provocative. And anyone who b***h slaps Nader can't be all bad.:D
 
Hey slappy....remember when you proclaimed that there was only 1 "secret meeting" a couple of weeks ago re: healthcare reform? Care to give us an updated tally?....or just admit that your exuberant proclamation was a little over-stated?

There was nothing exuberant about it you jackmoron, and clearly the concept of context means nothing to you. :)

Now go back to praying that Obama will continue to fail despite the consequences, you true American Patriot.
 
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I find this disturbing.



Once the camel's nose gets under the tent flap......

And yet they fail to explain why they let/encourgaged "to big to fail" JP Morgan Chase, Wells Fargo, BofA, etc. to get even bigger, thus increasing exposure to potential failure. I think part of the problem is that there are too many overlapping, inconsistent financial regulators, and no means to adequately dissolve, sell or otherwise dismantle "too big to fail". For example, when WAMU failed most of its banks went to JPM for a song. However, the holding company remains intact and has sued the feds for doing just that.

Meanwhile, the feds dick around with executive comp, and really fail to grasp the fact that comp has very little to do with overall institutional risk, especially if you don't understand the interplay between various business lines, products, etc. Clamping down on Citi, BofA, AIG, etc. won't do squat in the long-term. And as the NY Times pointed out yesterday, Hank Greenberg is now using the AIG comp restrictions to poach AIG's best players and their business, at the taxpayers' ultimate expense.
 
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And yet they fail to explain why they let/encourgaged "to big to fail" JP Morgan Chase, Wells Fargo, BofA, etc. to get even bigger, thus increasing exposure to potential failure. I think part of the problem is that there are too many overlapping, inconsistent financial regulators, and no means to adequately dissolve, sell or otherwise dismantle "too big to fail". For example, when WAMU failed most of its banks went to JPM for a song. However, the holding company remains intact and has sued the feds for doing just that.

Meanwhile, the feds dick around with executive comp, and really fail to grasp the fact that comp has very little to do with overall institutional risk, especially if you don't understand the interplay between various business lines, products, etc. Clamping down on Citi, BofA, AIG, etc. won't do squat in the long-term. And as the NY Times pointed out yesterday, Hank Greenberg is now using the AIG comp restrictions to poach AIG's best players and their business, at the taxpayers' ultimate expense.

You've got a point, but it is a far more complicated problem than simply talking about camel anatomy. The purist's solution leaves us vulnerable to a repeat of gaming the system to encourage private profit with socialized risk, and vulnerability under those conditions is a lead pipe cinch that those firms will keep doing that. Why not? It's consequence-free.

It would have been far more just and interesting to simply let them all go bankrupt and see how quickly the world economy would have recovered. I strongly suspect the self-proclaimed Masters of the Universe and their sophistry are like Big Macs -- lose a few to personal ruin and suicide and the only lasting change is the average level of ethics of the species ticks up slightly. But justice is painful and "interesting" brings to mind the Chinese curse.
 
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http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/017/127uwtrg.asp?pg=1?ZoomFont=YES

Payback is a b***h, especially when you're talking about teachers' unions. But hey, if some little kids lose their chance at a quality education, tough.
That's change we can believe in.

More 'do as I say, not as I do' hypocrisy out of he and his bunch. Too bad his kids get to go to Sidwell, while he screws other kids. Too bad he, the Mrs. and his kids won't have the same healthcare plan as the rest of us.
 
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More 'do as I say, not as I do' hypocrisy out of he and his bunch. Too bad his kids get to go to Sidwell, while he screws other kids. Too bad he, the Mrs. and his kids won't have the same healthcare plan as the rest of us.

I mean, with the exception of Jimmy Carter, they all do it. As a kid, Al Gore lived in a hotel suite while he attended his expensive private school! I don't have a problem with that, but why shouldn't at least a few poor kids have the same opportunity?
 
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More 'do as I say, not as I do' hypocrisy out of he and his bunch. Too bad his kids get to go to Sidwell, while he screws other kids. Too bad he, the Mrs. and his kids won't have the same healthcare plan as the rest of us.

Feds have screwed over every student in Public Schools, period. Promised 40% of special education, never paid more than 15.

Get them out of it.
 
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