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Obama 6(...66)
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BoomGoestheDynamite
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_obama_gays
Interesting. Considering the previous policy doesn't really keep gays out of the military and was largely self defeating, I have no problems with this. Its not unprecedented either as Truman desegregated the military over a number of objections from brass in 1948. Unlike issues of say women in combat, there isn't really an objective reason to ban gays, other than some social discomfort.
What do Republicans say? This is an issue that might get you some political hay in some constituencies today, but (like all gay rights issues) will never be a long term policy winner.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_obama_gays
Interesting. Considering the previous policy doesn't really keep gays out of the military and was largely self defeating, I have no problems with this. Its not unprecedented either as Truman desegregated the military over a number of objections from brass in 1948. Unlike issues of say women in combat, there isn't really an objective reason to ban gays, other than some social discomfort.
What do Republicans say? This is an issue that might get you some political hay in some constituencies today, but (like all gay rights issues) will never be a long term policy winner.
Re: Obama 6(...66)
You don't mean poor old John Bolton, do you? He always speaks so highly of you when we meet at the beer hall.
You don't mean poor old John Bolton, do you? He always speaks so highly of you when we meet at the beer hall.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Obama 6(...66)
Well in that case, no, I mean different a-hole UN-hating UN rep with a pornstache.
You don't mean poor old John Bolton, do you? He always speaks so highly of you when we meet at the beer hall.
Well in that case, no, I mean different a-hole UN-hating UN rep with a pornstache.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Obama 6(...66)
Doesn't matter. They'll run it into the ground in a lot of state and local races, then in a few years they'll disavow the tactic or say that belongs to the past, move on.
Doesn't matter. They'll run it into the ground in a lot of state and local races, then in a few years they'll disavow the tactic or say that belongs to the past, move on.
Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
Re: Obama 6(...66)
as long as people want to view themselves as accepting and noble then anti-gay measures will flounder. My opinion... the military and those in the military are not exactly of the internationalist multiculturalist stock. I want the best military in whatever way that is... pro-gay, anti-gay, whatever.
The problem is most militaries are a social group that needs cohesion. They need some sort of focus or items to focus on... yes, bigotry can certainly be one but we must note that it is harder to focus on ambiguous social goals. Such appeal will tend to mean mean little to those who are grounded in the real every day world than philosophical world of ideas. Standard blue collar v. white collar.
The Republicans could fight this waving the "military organizes in the best way it can" card... but the other cat comes out kicking and screaming which is the religious bigot card and it comes out with all the moral righteousness it tends to entail. Not that republicans wouldn't have a point... the only reason this is being brought up is so the Democrats can feel good about bringing social equality for all... not because they feel this will strengthen our armed forces. Frankly, I'd rather not care... I want which ever produces the better military.
as long as people want to view themselves as accepting and noble then anti-gay measures will flounder. My opinion... the military and those in the military are not exactly of the internationalist multiculturalist stock. I want the best military in whatever way that is... pro-gay, anti-gay, whatever.
The problem is most militaries are a social group that needs cohesion. They need some sort of focus or items to focus on... yes, bigotry can certainly be one but we must note that it is harder to focus on ambiguous social goals. Such appeal will tend to mean mean little to those who are grounded in the real every day world than philosophical world of ideas. Standard blue collar v. white collar.
The Republicans could fight this waving the "military organizes in the best way it can" card... but the other cat comes out kicking and screaming which is the religious bigot card and it comes out with all the moral righteousness it tends to entail. Not that republicans wouldn't have a point... the only reason this is being brought up is so the Democrats can feel good about bringing social equality for all... not because they feel this will strengthen our armed forces. Frankly, I'd rather not care... I want which ever produces the better military.
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I was wondering why the knuck's weren't posting anything about the Prez's approval ratings lately, and then I figured out why:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx
Now somebody give me a Rasmussen poll showing a 15-85 split.
I was wondering why the knuck's weren't posting anything about the Prez's approval ratings lately, and then I figured out why:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx
Now somebody give me a Rasmussen poll showing a 15-85 split.
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Take heart, Rover. If you put an electron microscope to the very tail end of that doom chart, you'll see a little "Nobel bump" from about 52 way up to 56% approval.
Just ignore the broader trends and assume it means the social... socializing... socialisming... socializationestriation of Amerika.
I was wondering why the knuck's weren't posting anything about the Prez's approval ratings lately, and then I figured out why:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx
Now somebody give me a Rasmussen poll showing a 15-85 split.
Take heart, Rover. If you put an electron microscope to the very tail end of that doom chart, you'll see a little "Nobel bump" from about 52 way up to 56% approval.
Just ignore the broader trends and assume it means the social... socializing... socialisming... socializationestriation of Amerika.
Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
Re: Obama 6(...66)
I see they're still polling "all adults"
I was wondering why the knuck's weren't posting anything about the Prez's approval ratings lately, and then I figured out why:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx
Now somebody give me a Rasmussen poll showing a 15-85 split.
I see they're still polling "all adults"
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Wrong again. It isn't the knucks (as you so elegantly put it) who recalibrate based on changes in polls. It is BNPPWO, who even as we speak is trying to thread the needle on Afghanistan because of perceived diminishing public support. It's enough to make Norwegian socialists proud.
I was wondering why the knuck's weren't posting anything about the Prez's approval ratings lately, and then I figured out why:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx
Now somebody give me a Rasmussen poll showing a 15-85 split.
Wrong again. It isn't the knucks (as you so elegantly put it) who recalibrate based on changes in polls. It is BNPPWO, who even as we speak is trying to thread the needle on Afghanistan because of perceived diminishing public support. It's enough to make Norwegian socialists proud.
Re: Obama 6(...66)
Wall Street Journal:
Of course, you could take the liberal view and blow it off. Strangely, the lib view amounts to: "Bush was a deficit spender too, so it must be OK if we quadruple the deficit"
Wall Street Journal:
storyunless Americans are made aware of this financial crisis and demand accountability, the very fabric of our society will be destroyed.
Of course, you could take the liberal view and blow it off. Strangely, the lib view amounts to: "Bush was a deficit spender too, so it must be OK if we quadruple the deficit"
Re: Obama 6(...66)
Also: Obama Fails to Win Nobel Prize in Economics
(I really can't tell if this guy is serious or not. It sounds so Onion-like and yet progressive-minded)
Also: Obama Fails to Win Nobel Prize in Economics
(I really can't tell if this guy is serious or not. It sounds so Onion-like and yet progressive-minded)
The Paragon of Virtue
Captain Ressentiment
Re: Obama 6(...66)
Never was. Just wanted an excuse to use the phrase morally obtuse cretin and the Whoopster seemed like such a natural, know what I mean?
Never was. Just wanted an excuse to use the phrase morally obtuse cretin and the Whoopster seemed like such a natural, know what I mean?
SPIN CONTROL
is in charge
Re: Obama 6(...66)
well since you asked.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...ministration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
Overall, 49% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President's performance. Fifty-one percent (51%) disapprove.
I was wondering why the knuck's weren't posting anything about the Prez's approval ratings lately, and then I figured out why:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx
Now somebody give me a Rasmussen poll showing a 15-85 split.
well since you asked.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...ministration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
Overall, 49% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President's performance. Fifty-one percent (51%) disapprove.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: Obama 6(...66)
because you keep pulling out this retarded chit. and i feel bad for you and digress to keep you from further embarrassing yourself.
I was wondering why the knuck's weren't posting anything about the Prez's approval ratings lately, and then I figured out why:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx
Now somebody give me a Rasmussen poll showing a 15-85 split.
because you keep pulling out this retarded chit. and i feel bad for you and digress to keep you from further embarrassing yourself.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Obama 6(...66)
This could have been (and surely was) written to argue against desegregating the military. The bigots will get over it, same as then.
This could have been (and surely was) written to argue against desegregating the military. The bigots will get over it, same as then.
Re: Obama 6(...66)
Assuming the change comes to pass, here's how it will work. Announcements will be made at mandatory formations and the new policy explained. Subsequently, snarling First Shirts, Top Kicks and CPO's will explain the policy in more, ahem, direct terms, then ask if there are any questions. Those questions will be answered at o-dark-thirty on some unpleasant detail. The message will get through, it always gets through.
Assuming the change comes to pass, here's how it will work. Announcements will be made at mandatory formations and the new policy explained. Subsequently, snarling First Shirts, Top Kicks and CPO's will explain the policy in more, ahem, direct terms, then ask if there are any questions. Those questions will be answered at o-dark-thirty on some unpleasant detail. The message will get through, it always gets through.
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