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Obama 6(...66)
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SteveF
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i noticed today on factcheck.org that one of her recent facebook tirades about the export-import bank's loan to brazil was thoroughly debunked.
http://factcheck.org/2009/09/bogus-brazilian-oil-claims/
unsurprising.
i noticed today on factcheck.org that one of her recent facebook tirades about the export-import bank's loan to brazil was thoroughly debunked.
http://factcheck.org/2009/09/bogus-brazilian-oil-claims/
unsurprising.
ExileOnDaytonStreet
Drunkard
Re: Obama 6(...66)
Granted:
- The 9-11 commission found that they weren't very effective at updating either W. or Clinton.
- I'm sure that those threats were lost in the shuffle of a zillion other threats our government recieves on a regular basis.
Both of those facts make it difficult to act on, or even take seriously, a lot of threat reports that the CIA or FBI might have had leading up to 9-11. I don't know anything about the amount of false information they get or the breadth of general threats and terrorist activity that they have to deal with. One of the reasons I could never be president.
But in any case, we do know that W. was informed of something relating to 9-11 beforehand. You can acknowledge that without implying that W. was somehow responsible for it. With that in mind, if you interpret that question as "was W. told about some 9-11 related threat that eventually wound up being true?", then you can answer that question with a "yes" without having a toxic waste dump of a brain.
If you interpret "prior knowledge" as "knew it would happen and intentionally didn't do anything about it and therefore is a co-conspirator by his inaction", then of course you'd have to be a paranoid nutjob to say "yes". But I think its reasonable to say that not everyone would interpret that question that. (Even with all that in mind, the 19% is a shockingly high number)
What's my point? "Is Obama the Anti-Christ", on the other hand, really can't be interpreted in any other meaningful way.
What's my other point? A lot of people *ahem* will look at a survey result like that and think "oh my God, look how many liberals are complete morons" without even bothering to think about what they just looked at.
To be fair, that's a tricky question that can be interpreted a lot of ways. The FBI and CIA were reporting on al Qaeda's threats for years before 9-11. I haven't read anything more than a general summary of the 9-11 commission's findings, but it's not unreasonable to say that at some point in his early presidency, W. was informed of some threat related to 9-11 before it happened.also, in that poll:
The extremism in New Jersey isn't limited to the right though. 19% of voters in the state, including 32% of Democrats, think that George W. Bush had prior knowledge of 9/11.
I think those toxic waste dumps are seeping into people's brains.
Granted:
- The 9-11 commission found that they weren't very effective at updating either W. or Clinton.
- I'm sure that those threats were lost in the shuffle of a zillion other threats our government recieves on a regular basis.
Both of those facts make it difficult to act on, or even take seriously, a lot of threat reports that the CIA or FBI might have had leading up to 9-11. I don't know anything about the amount of false information they get or the breadth of general threats and terrorist activity that they have to deal with. One of the reasons I could never be president.
But in any case, we do know that W. was informed of something relating to 9-11 beforehand. You can acknowledge that without implying that W. was somehow responsible for it. With that in mind, if you interpret that question as "was W. told about some 9-11 related threat that eventually wound up being true?", then you can answer that question with a "yes" without having a toxic waste dump of a brain.
If you interpret "prior knowledge" as "knew it would happen and intentionally didn't do anything about it and therefore is a co-conspirator by his inaction", then of course you'd have to be a paranoid nutjob to say "yes". But I think its reasonable to say that not everyone would interpret that question that. (Even with all that in mind, the 19% is a shockingly high number)
What's my point? "Is Obama the Anti-Christ", on the other hand, really can't be interpreted in any other meaningful way.
What's my other point? A lot of people *ahem* will look at a survey result like that and think "oh my God, look how many liberals are complete morons" without even bothering to think about what they just looked at.
moe24
Original Lawson Lunatic
Re: Obama 6(...66)
Not confused, but rather shocked that Pawlenty actually thinks he has a shot.
Not confused, but rather shocked that Pawlenty actually thinks he has a shot.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
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I believe The Hardly Boys got to the bottom of this.
You'd have to know how the question was phrased. Then again, something like 50% of the country believes in the literal existence of angels, so...
I believe The Hardly Boys got to the bottom of this.
You'd have to know how the question was phrased. Then again, something like 50% of the country believes in the literal existence of angels, so...
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Obama 6(...66)
Not to mention way early. At this point in '05 who would have taken seriously the presidential chances of a rookie senator from Illinois who had just defeated the formidable Alan Keyes!?
Not to mention way early. At this point in '05 who would have taken seriously the presidential chances of a rookie senator from Illinois who had just defeated the formidable Alan Keyes!?
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Obama 6(...66)
Minnesotans would probably argue that TPaw has already amply shown himself to be inept, but you're right that 99% of the country has -- literally -- never heard of him.
There were people talking about Obama as a future star as early as his 2004 keynote, but I recall his announcement of candidacy was regarded as him getting valuable campaigning experience and contacts, and maybe positioning for VP, while Hillary cleaned up. Nobody knew (1) he was going to be so good and (2) Hillary was going to be so bad.
Minnesotans would probably argue that TPaw has already amply shown himself to be inept, but you're right that 99% of the country has -- literally -- never heard of him.
There were people talking about Obama as a future star as early as his 2004 keynote, but I recall his announcement of candidacy was regarded as him getting valuable campaigning experience and contacts, and maybe positioning for VP, while Hillary cleaned up. Nobody knew (1) he was going to be so good and (2) Hillary was going to be so bad.
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moe24
Original Lawson Lunatic
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Not the best comparison as Obama's star was on the rise and Pawlenty's is clearly going in the opposite direction.
Not the best comparison as Obama's star was on the rise and Pawlenty's is clearly going in the opposite direction.
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A nuanced, balanced point of view. Which has nothing to do with what the wingnuts believe and I think you know it. The worst of them think Bush arranged or organized the attack to help Haliburton or something. The ones who are only slightly less deranged believed he had "actionable" intelligence on the attacks and did nothing, to help Haliburton or something.
Sort of like the generation of right wingers who thought that FDR knew about Pearl Harbor and allowed it to happen to benefit Haliburton, no wait, to get us in to the war. There was no credible evidence then to support that notion. Just as there is none now to suggest Bush's complicity in 9/11.
A nuanced, balanced point of view. Which has nothing to do with what the wingnuts believe and I think you know it. The worst of them think Bush arranged or organized the attack to help Haliburton or something. The ones who are only slightly less deranged believed he had "actionable" intelligence on the attacks and did nothing, to help Haliburton or something.
Sort of like the generation of right wingers who thought that FDR knew about Pearl Harbor and allowed it to happen to benefit Haliburton, no wait, to get us in to the war. There was no credible evidence then to support that notion. Just as there is none now to suggest Bush's complicity in 9/11.
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"clearly on the rise." In who's mind? Yours perhaps but not the movers and shakers in his own porty. He had won an election that had turned into a gong show because he wound up running against a guy from out of state, etc. etc. BO's accomplishments in winning the nomination and then the election are stunning enough, it's not necessary to buy into some sort of fiction that his election to the senate was anything more than another example of how things sometimes work in Illinois.
"clearly on the rise." In who's mind? Yours perhaps but not the movers and shakers in his own porty. He had won an election that had turned into a gong show because he wound up running against a guy from out of state, etc. etc. BO's accomplishments in winning the nomination and then the election are stunning enough, it's not necessary to buy into some sort of fiction that his election to the senate was anything more than another example of how things sometimes work in Illinois.
French Rage
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Re: Obama 6(...66)
If you really wanna trace it, it goes back to Seven of Nine not putting out.
If you really wanna trace it, it goes back to Seven of Nine not putting out.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Terrierbyassociation
Fight Cancer, Wherever You Find It
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Dude, I don't know what planet you're on but there is plenty of evidence to suggest that we knew that Pearl Harbor was going to happen. We could have at least had the men ready for a fight.
Instead we let our men be caught completely unprepared. We knew that the Japanese fleet had left and was headed in the direction of Hawaii.
2403 men lost their lives on that day. There was no excuse for being unprepared for the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. Even if we weren't sure if they were truly coming to Pearl Harbor there is no excuse for not being prepared.
And I'm no right-winger.
Dude, I don't know what planet you're on but there is plenty of evidence to suggest that we knew that Pearl Harbor was going to happen. We could have at least had the men ready for a fight.
Instead we let our men be caught completely unprepared. We knew that the Japanese fleet had left and was headed in the direction of Hawaii.
2403 men lost their lives on that day. There was no excuse for being unprepared for the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. Even if we weren't sure if they were truly coming to Pearl Harbor there is no excuse for not being prepared.
And I'm no right-winger.
ExileOnDaytonStreet
Drunkard
Re: Obama 6(...66)
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Just look at USCHO for verification of that
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French Rage
NICKERSON HAS [CENSORED]
Re: Obama 6(...66)
Man, she's really gonna **** off her base with that land bridge remark, implying that the Earth is more than 6,000 years old and that Jesus didn't personally store all of the oil in Alaska because it had so many bootstraps.
Man, she's really gonna **** off her base with that land bridge remark, implying that the Earth is more than 6,000 years old and that Jesus didn't personally store all of the oil in Alaska because it had so many bootstraps.
ScottM
**** it feels good to be a bankster
Re: Obama 6(...66)
I would have loved to have been in a bar with a few attendees after her speech. I can imagine there were a few bruised and bitten tongues being soothed with some good scotch after this one ...
I would have loved to have been in a bar with a few attendees after her speech. I can imagine there were a few bruised and bitten tongues being soothed with some good scotch after this one ...
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