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Notre Dame leaves Hockey East for Big 10

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I'm not convinced it had to do with not winning the league because in that time, ND has still been pretty good. Notre dame is a whore, simple as that. The NCHC said no thanks to NDs NBC demands, joe bertagna bent over and took it.

Now, if i have it right, not only will ND now be on the BTN but the big ten is also allowing them to keep their NBC contract for home games. Is that correct? Couple that with being able to reduce travel, getting back to normal rivalries like michigan and msu, etc...really an easy decision for ND. I just hate the bertagna and company acquiesced in adding ND to hockey east. **** notre dame.
 
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mnstate0fhockey said:
They had talks with the B1G first. Actually, it sounds like those talks never really stopped. The B1G initially was insisting that they join for all sports. They then went to the NCHC, but negotiations got hung up on Notre Dame's NBC TV contract. The NCHC wanted a conference wide contract. Hockey East was willing to let Notre Dame keep it's TV contract.

Honestly, I don't think anyone should feel like they need to save face here. Notre Dame is getting a better travel schedule and more traditional rivals, Hockey East will get more favorable travel and likely a more traditional rival with a new member, and the B1G gets another program (and another competitive one) to help with pairwise implications and an in for perhaps future talks about Notre Dame joining the conference for all sports.
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Exactly correct. They didn't want HE, and then when they got here the found out they really didn't want to be in HE. In the meantime B1G realized they needed a second competitive team in the league. If ND was actually winning in HE they would have stayed. But they didn't like HE, they didn't like the refs, they didn't like mid pack finishes, and they didn't like that no one in HE liked them. IT could only have worked out better if they had joined B1G in the first place. It would have saved us HE fans the torture of having to watch those gawd awful helmets out on the ice and listening to Jackson **** and moan after every loss.




ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
If ND wasn't good enough for their conference in their eyes because of (let's face it) one bad season out of three, I shudder to think of what they think of half of the members left in the league. Someone should remind them that they still need 6 schools for an autobid.
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No reminders necessary, no one said they weren't good enough. It's been said they left because they weren't successful but that's not the same thing. Heck HE lets UMass stay in the league, they weren't going to kick ND out. But, that doesn't mean ND didn't pick up their toys and go home either when they realized they were a mid pack team. Some of us in the league are happy to be a mid pack HE team. Some are content to be in the cellar, Notre Dame needs to be on top... so they went a found an easier league. Try and keep up with conversation.

ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
Anyone questioning this line of events from The Great Realignment Shuffle is clearly treading in unknown waters and should probably just let the adults speak.
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Great Idea, please go get your dad and go back to your dungeons and dragons.
 
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Would have been interesting if ND was coming off back to back league titles though...
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
The chest thumping from certain HE posters here is quite amusing. If ND wasn't good enough for their conference in their eyes because of (let's face it) one bad season out of three, I shudder to think of what they think of half of the members left in the league.
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Chest thumping? Please. Notre Dame fit in fine from a competition standpoint. They were competitive each season, including having a chance at the regular season title this year until falling apart the last two weekends. Lowell and Northeastern fans might miss having Notre Dame on the schedule since those schools dominated the Irish in the standings, but having attended 8 Lowell-ND games, they were always a tough out even though Lowell was 6-1-1 in those games. The fact is that Notre Dame thinks of themselves as god's gift to sport and misguidedly expected at minimum to be in the conference championship game every season if not winning it, but everyone else sees through their "I'm a special snowflake" act.

What the Hockey East community won't miss is the constant whining about travel and officiating and the unsportsmanlike behavior (if you listen closely you can probably hear Steve Summerhays knocking a net off its moorings in the ECHL right now). Notre Dame knew what it was getting into with the travel, and the league bent over backwards to accommodate them with scheduling, and they still moaned about it, which is crazy. Notre Dame had a 90 minute flight to any location in Hockey East, on a plane that they own. That's well shorter than every bus ride Maine has to take to literally any road opponent they've ever played and the same for Vermont excepting that Dartmouth is only 90 minutes from Burlington. Boo hoo.
 
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(duplicate post because the internet is a flaky series of tubes)
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
No, I disagree. Men's hockey is a rare third revenue sport. It's more important than women's basketball.
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Yeah, women's b-ball only gets people's attention when they're winning. When they're losing, nobody really notices them. Meanwhile, when the hockey teams are losing, men's or women's, people notice.
 
J.D. said:
I'm not convinced it had to do with not winning the league because in that time, ND has still been pretty good. Notre dame is a whore, simple as that. The NCHC said no thanks to NDs NBC demands, joe bertagna bent over and took it.

Now, if i have it right, not only will ND now be on the BTN but the big ten is also allowing them to keep their NBC contract for home games. Is that correct? Couple that with being able to reduce travel, getting back to normal rivalries like michigan and msu, etc...really an easy decision for ND. I just hate the bertagna and company acquiesced in adding ND to hockey east. **** notre dame.
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You are correct. Notre Dame gets to keep it's TV contract.
 
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jcarter7669 said:
Exactly correct. They didn't want HE, and then when they got here the found out they really didn't want to be in HE. In the meantime B1G realized they needed a second competitive team in the league. If ND was actually winning in HE they would have stayed. But they didn't like HE, they didn't like the refs, they didn't like mid pack finishes, and they didn't like that no one in HE liked them. IT could only have worked out better if they had joined B1G in the first place. It would have saved us HE fans the torture of having to watch those gawd awful helmets out on the ice and listening to Jackson **** and moan after every loss.
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Problem with your "if they would have won they would have stayed" theory is that both the B1G and Notre Dame are on record saying that talks between the two never stopped after they joined Hockey East.
 
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tape said:
the fact is that notre dame thinks of themselves as god's gift to sport and misguidedly expected at minimum to be in the conference championship game every season if not winning it, but everyone else sees through their "i'm a special snowflake" act.
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lol
 
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If they left because they weren't competitive (as if anyone would make that argument after only 3 seasons, the final of which saw them finish 3rd ahead of the majority of the rest of the conference) why have none of the other perennial bottom feeders left the conference? HEA isn't the only college hockey conference with the majority of their teams in the east.

Also ND is far from a lock to finishing better than 3rd in the B1G and we all know that last season's NC B1G results did none of the teams any favors in getting an at-large bid into the NCAA. ND finished 3rd but more importantly made the tournament and no one in their right might would choose a higher conference finish at the expense of making the NCAA tournament. This tack of an argument is so monumentally obtuse it boggles the mind.
 
Slap Shot said:
If they left because they weren't competitive (as if anyone would make that argument after only 3 seasons, the final of which saw them finish 3rd ahead of the majority of the rest of the conference) why have none of the other perennial bottom feeders left the conference? HEA isn't the only college hockey conference with the majority of their teams in the east.

Also ND is far from a lock to finishing better than 3rd in the B1G and we all know that last season's NC B1G results did none of the teams any favors in getting an at-large bid into the NCAA. ND finished 3rd but more importantly made the tournament and no one in their right might would choose a higher conference finish at the expense of making the NCAA tournament. This tack of an argument is so monumentally obtuse it boggles the mind.
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Exactly.
 
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mnstate0fhockey said:
Problem with your "if they would have won they would have stayed" theory is that both the B1G and Notre Dame are on record saying that talks between the two never stopped after they joined Hockey East.
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I don't see where that's a problem...

Say there's this girl in your econ class and shes alright and so you talk and chat. There's also this smoke show and shes all flirty and wants to be your girlfriend, but that's it... no nothing else. Over the next few years you keep talking with the girl from econ, and she starts to warm up to you. Your still with The hottie but she is still not letting you make it to the garden. Finally after a few years you find out that chick from econ is a freak in the sack and DTF!! And the hottie, well you are still banned from getting past the blue line. So you do what alot of people would do, you jump ship for the promise land. Now, if smokeshow was giving it up on a regular basis you would still be with her, and not heading out to see the "8" from econ, regardless of whether you were still "talking" with her.

"Talking" isn't a problem with the theory.
 
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jcarter7669 said:
I don't see where that's a problem...

Say there's this girl in your econ class and shes alright and so you talk and chat. There's also this smoke show and shes all flirty and wants to be your girlfriend, but that's it... no nothing else. Over the next few years you keep talking with the girl from econ, and she starts to warm up to you. Your still with The hottie but she is still not letting you make it to the garden. Finally after a few years you find out that chick from econ is a freak in the sack and DTF!! And the hottie, well you are still banned from getting past the blue line. So you do what alot of people would do, you jump ship for the promise land. Now, if smokeshow was giving it up on a regular basis you would still be with her, and not heading out to see the "8" from econ, regardless of whether you were still "talking" with her.

"Talking" isn't a problem with the theory.
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No one sounds more desperate right now than you, bud.
 
jcarter7669 said:
I don't see where that's a problem...

Say there's this girl in your econ class and shes alright and so you talk and chat. There's also this smoke show and shes all flirty and wants to be your girlfriend, but that's it... no nothing else. Over the next few years you keep talking with the girl from econ, and she starts to warm up to you. Your still with The hottie but she is still not letting you make it to the garden. Finally after a few years you find out that chick from econ is a freak in the sack and DTF!! And the hottie, well you are still banned from getting past the blue line. So you do what alot of people would do, you jump ship for the promise land. Now, if smokeshow was giving it up on a regular basis you would still be with her, and not heading out to see the "8" from econ, regardless of whether you were still "talking" with her.

"Talking" isn't a problem with the theory.
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Sure it is. It shows Notre Dame was never really content in Hockey East. They didn't want to be in the conference because of travel and rivalries to begin with, and never stopped trying to work out a deal with the B1G.

The B1G finally relented and Notre Dame bolted.

Like Slap Shot said, the argument that Notre Dame would bolt from HE after just three seasons because they didn't win the conference but made the NCAA Tourney twice for a conference with a more tenuous Pairwise situation is fundamentally flawed. Especially considering the level of interest Notre Dame showed in being in Hockey East to begin with and the fact they never stopped talking to the B1G about conference membership.
 
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