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Notre Dame Hockey 2013-2014 Go East young men

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IrishHockeyFan said:
As the Lake State coach he never seemed to have a meteoric personality (of course look who he followed) but at Notre Dame he's been a little more willing to get in the face of an official when his read on the situation said it was warranted.
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You're right. At Lake State he was almost always pretty stone-faced behind the bench even if he were thinking otherwise. Another factor here is ref intimidation. At LSSU he didn't have the weight of a major school (albeit a big-time winning program) behind him. Now as the "head coach at Notre Dame" he caries a lot more weight like Ron Mason (did) and Red Berenson does. If used judiciously, it works.
 
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candycanes99 said:
How's the attendance usually at the Shillelagh Tourney? Seems kinda silly to have Saturday's game overlap with football (again).
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It's family and friends for WMU-UAH. I've seen interhall games better attended than this one.
 
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Is Northeastern the only undefeated team at your new arena?
 
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{sigh}

I never thought I would miss CCHA refs, but this weekend made me long for the good ole days. This weekend was particularly bad, from the penalty shot awarded to Captain Costello (a penalty yes, but PS, no) to the missed interference that wiped out Mario Lucia last night to the push that said captain got called for (Roughing? Really? I loathe women's hockey, but apparently HE refs prefer bras and tampons to battles on the boards...) to several calls tonight, both missed and called. I don't want to be that fan who thinks my team gets jobbed every time they are penalized, but this is peculiar enough that I am questioning the integrity of some of the east coast refs. And I know I am intelligent about my griping because I call it both ways and I have heard from D1 refs that I am usually spot-on (however, I won't name names). Even Anson Carter thought that slash on the UMass goalie was a bit played up. More like a splash rather than a slash...

That said, this team is way too talented to give up 2 or 3 goals to struggling teams. They let UAH hang around, they let UMass win just their 4th game of the first half, they let NU win in the waning moments after going up by 2 with half the game gone.

I know that the line up has been battered and it will take more than a game to get back in the groove, but now they have a month off. Will that be good? Or rust-inducing? Will this season, that started off so promisingly but has since turned sour, repeat so many of the second halves that have disappointed? At the beginning of the season, I thought there was something markedly different about this year's incarnation, but the past few weeks that difference has disappeared. Steven Summerhays is giving up too many softies and moving around too much. The PP isn't shooting enough. The PK isn't killing enough. The D is unusually porous.

Maybe they do need a rest. A regrouping, if you will. Watch some game tape of the 1st ten games. We went 7-3 and had that je ne sais quoi that I mentioned. Since then, we are 3-4-1 and look lost. Hopefully having a full bench will get back that quelque chose de mystérieux. And I have no idea why I am throwing French in this, but nothing else worked.

Joyeux Noël to one and all.
 
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Jeff_Jackson_for_Pres. said:
{sigh}

I never thought I would miss CCHA refs, but this weekend made me long for the good ole days. This weekend was particularly bad, from the penalty shot awarded to Captain Costello (a penalty yes, but PS, no) to the missed interference that wiped out Mario Lucia last night to the push that said captain got called for (Roughing? Really? I loathe women's hockey, but apparently HE refs prefer bras and tampons to battles on the boards...) to several calls tonight, both missed and called. I don't want to be that fan who thinks my team gets jobbed every time they are penalized, but this is peculiar enough that I am questioning the integrity of some of the east coast refs. And I know I am intelligent about my griping because I call it both ways and I have heard from D1 refs that I am usually spot-on (however, I won't name names). Even Anson Carter thought that slash on the UMass goalie was a bit played up. More like a splash rather than a slash...

That said, this team is way too talented to give up 2 or 3 goals to struggling teams. They let UAH hang around, they let UMass win just their 4th game of the first half, they let NU win in the waning moments after going up by 2 with half the game gone.

I know that the line up has been battered and it will take more than a game to get back in the groove, but now they have a month off. Will that be good? Or rust-inducing? Will this season, that started off so promisingly but has since turned sour, repeat so many of the second halves that have disappointed? At the beginning of the season, I thought there was something markedly different about this year's incarnation, but the past few weeks that difference has disappeared. Steven Summerhays is giving up too many softies and moving around too much. The PP isn't shooting enough. The PK isn't killing enough. The D is unusually porous.

Maybe they do need a rest. A regrouping, if you will. Watch some game tape of the 1st ten games. We went 7-3 and had that je ne sais quoi that I mentioned. Since then, we are 3-4-1 and look lost. Hopefully having a full bench will get back that quelque chose de mystérieux. And I have no idea why I am throwing French in this, but nothing else worked.

Joyeux Noël to one and all.
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It was a terribly reffed game tonight on both sides. The were many missed calls that went in Notre Dame's favor. I still don't understand how ND charged the UMass goalie and got a 2 man advantage as a result, nor I don't understand how a ND player caught a puck and literally threw it down the length of the ice and no penalty was called. Notre Dame can complain about some of the calls, but to pretend that it didn't go both ways is not very honest.

EDIT- I'm actually confused re-reading your post. If by integrity, you mean competence, I agree. If by integrity, you mean are out to screw Notre Dame, then my post applies.
 
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jjmc85 said:
It was a terribly reffed game tonight on both sides. The were many missed calls that went in Notre Dame's favor. I still don't understand how ND charged the UMass goalie and got a 2 man advantage as a result, nor I don't understand how a ND player caught a puck and literally threw it down the length of the ice and no penalty was called. Notre Dame can complain about some of the calls, but to pretend that it didn't go both ways is not very honest.
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Did you take reading comprehension in school? Did I not say the penalty shot was a bad call? I am not pretending that it did not go both ways. And propelling the puck with your hand is not a penalty. A hand pass is an infraction, propelling the puck at the net is an infraction and throwing the puck out of play is a penalty. What the ND player did is completely legal.
 
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welcome to Hockey East where there are no easy W's and you get to enjoy the very worst of college hockey officiating. See you at Fenway
 
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Jeff_Jackson_for_Pres. said:
Did you take reading comprehension in school? Did I not say the penalty shot was a bad call? I am not pretending that it did not go both ways. And propelling the puck with your hand is not a penalty. A hand pass is an infraction, propelling the puck at the net is an infraction and throwing the puck out of play is a penalty. What the ND player did is completely legal.
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No. Did you take vocabulary? Do you know what integrity means? Also, did you see the second part of my post you conveniently deleted from the quote?
 
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jjmc85 said:
No. Did you take vocabulary? Do you know what integrity means? Also, did you see the second part of my post you conveniently deleted from the quote?
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See, this is part of the reason I am getting away from posting on this site anymore. People use the anonymity of the Internet to point fingers, throw tantrums, etc. Integrity means the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles. I saw many of the things called on ND not called on UMass; thus, my question of integrity. I deleted the part of your post I was not commenting on. Saves space.
 
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Atrocious calls by game officials is common to all leagues, including the NHL. I can well recall some beauties by some of the CCHA guys over the years. Things like this do seem to even out over time, so I wouldn't get all worked up every time a call that you perceive as "bad" goes against ND.
 
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Jeff_Jackson_for_Pres. said:
{sigh}

I never thought I would miss CCHA refs, but this weekend made me long for the good ole days. This weekend was particularly bad, from the penalty shot awarded to Captain Costello (a penalty yes, but PS, no) to the missed interference that wiped out Mario Lucia last night to the push that said captain got called for (Roughing? Really? I loathe women's hockey, but apparently HE refs prefer bras and tampons to battles on the boards...) to several calls tonight, both missed and called. Joyeux Noël to one and all.
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If you didn't like those guys, wait til you get Gravallese or Benedetto or Scleparis (sounds like a disease doesn't it?):eek: Many Hockey East refs are trained at The Perkins School (google it).
 
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DoubleA said:
If you didn't like those guys, wait til you get Gravallese or Benedetto or Scleparis (sounds like a disease doesn't it?):eek: Many Hockey East refs are trained at The Perkins School (google it).
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We've already seen Gravallese and Benedetto (and in the same game no less). I've given up on a number of things in college hockey, and one of them is ever seeing consistently acceptable officiating. Ain't gonna happen. Neither the NCAA or the individual leagues are interested in spending any time or money on anything that will improve officiating, so we'll get people who love doing it, which is not necessarily a bad thing, but that alone does little that leads to good officials.

Jeff_Jackson_for_Pres. said:
See, this is part of the reason I am getting away from posting on this site anymore. People use the anonymity of the Internet to point fingers, throw tantrums, etc.
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You and me both. This forum has been in a downward spiral for quite a few years now, with many of the posters I liked interacting with posting less and less, or in some cases abandoning it completely. Years ago someone facetiously created a newbie's guide for posters that warned of how every thread regarding Hockey East games and teams eventually devolves into nothing but a flame fest. While not quite literally true, it is definitely a well earned reputation. I started seeing some of that when Notre Dame made the announcement they were joining Hockey East, and off and on I saw it whenever Notre Dame played an opponent from out that way. Nothing like (for the most part) the good natured banter and quality game discussions I saw with posters from UM, WMU, or some other teams in my early days here. It wasn't all good then and it isn't all bad now, but I think since my time here probably predates about 95% of the posters who have ever registered (and I know citing time here or post counts mean I automatically lose the thread) I have a pretty good idea of what I'm talking about.
 
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DoubleA said:
Many Hockey East refs are trained at The Perkins School (google it).
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:p:):D Just googled it. Thanks for giving me a chuckle.

IHF, I too used to like the discussions that were not the finger pointing, flame-throwing posts where opposing fans would jump in to say, "Nice game," "Nice to meet you," "Good luck against ___," etc. Those are few and far between anymore.

Ironically enough, I blame the Internet (and video games) because fewer and fewer people know how to communicate, discuss, listen (or in a forum's case, read). It's all shouting, chest-thumping and bullying.

Ah, yes, now I remember why I am a misanthrope...
 
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jjmc85 said:
It was a terribly reffed game tonight on both sides. The were many missed calls that went in Notre Dame's favor. I still don't understand how ND charged the UMass goalie and got a 2 man advantage as a result, nor I don't understand how a ND player caught a puck and literally threw it down the length of the ice and no penalty was called. Notre Dame can complain about some of the calls, but to pretend that it didn't go both ways is not very honest.

EDIT- I'm actually confused re-reading your post. If by integrity, you mean competence, I agree. If by integrity, you mean are out to screw Notre Dame, then my post applies.
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ND player hit in the scrum, that was the first penalty. Then someone on the UMass bench would not stop complaining about the call, likely with inappropriate language to garner the unsportsmanlike penalty on top of it. I could see it coming from the way the refs kept looking over at the bench.

I was expecting a penalty shot to be called for live, honestly. Maybe it's because I'm accustomed to HE refs already (although I never saw Kaval before and thought he was particularly atroucious all-around this weekend), but at the time the hook started it looked like Costello was clear of the d-man (12 sec in). There were way too many crappy calls both ways, and it usually evens out. I did think that the call leading to UMass's GWG on Saturday was particularly bad, but mostly because of the awful timing.
 
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Jeff_Jackson_for_Pres. said:
:p:):D Just googled it. Thanks for giving me a chuckle.
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Back in the days of 1 ref and 2 linesmen, the Boston College pep band would play 'Three Blind Mice' when the refs came onto the ice at the start of each period. :p
With the 2 ref, 2 linesman system, the song no longer fits. :(
 
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Just a few post-Christmas observations:

1. Vince Hinostroza and "Tommy" DiPauli are fun to watch no matter the colors they wear.
2. Coach Jackson must be emitting a "Whew" now that the ice is finally in at Merrifield (practice on the pond happens in under 24 hours).
3. I'm tired of outdoor games, but that doesn't mean I won't be glued to NBC come New Year's Day or NESN this Saturday.
5. I love Stephen Johns' comment about stepping into Jack Swarbrick's shoes instead of Fr. Jenkins' shoes since he's "...not very holy..." I like "un-holy" defensemen. (smiley. heart.)

Happy New Year!
 
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