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Norwich Women's Hockey

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Hux said:
Exactly.

I was recently privy to a discussion between mother and daughter regarding the daughter being recruited by a DIII school. Mom was waxing on and on about how her daughter was so fortunate to be recruited by this, and apparently, several other schools. The daughter laughed and said to her mother, "Yeah, whatever, I'm just using that to get into the school. If I make the team fine, if not, no biggie, I don't really care."

Unfortunately, at the DIII level this is a common theme. I've seen players gain 40 pounds in the off-season, decide that a new relationship is more important, or prefer to focus on academics, and ultimately not make a team or play more than a season. Coaches have no choice but to recruit a bevy of players and hope that some actually turn up and stick.
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First of all, I am sure that there are girls who have this attitude, not only at D-III but also at D-I, Especially if they are not on a full ride.

I think that the coaches with the best track record of recruiting look beyond grades and skating ability, and look at the girl's character, her family, etc. These most successful coaches know when a girl is committed or not.
 
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Hux said:
Exactly.

I was recently privy to a discussion between mother and daughter regarding the daughter being recruited by a DIII school. Mom was waxing on and on about how her daughter was so fortunate to be recruited by this, and apparently, several other schools. The daughter laughed and said to her mother, "Yeah, whatever, I'm just using that to get into the school. If I make the team fine, if not, no biggie, I don't really care."

Unfortunately, at the DIII level this is a common theme. I've seen players gain 40 pounds in the off-season, decide that a new relationship is more important, or prefer to focus on academics, and ultimately not make a team or play more than a season. Coaches have no choice but to recruit a bevy of players and hope that some actually turn up and stick.
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There are a lot of issues in that quote from the daughter...
1) The good news - the daughter recognizes that there is more to college than making the hockey team.

2) The bad news - the idea that admission to the school makes the person
better. Admission to the school gives you opportunities to use the resources there to better yourself. It is what you make of it.

3) The good news - the daughter's world won't come to an end if she doesn't make the varsity team.

4) The bad news - "I don't really care" really speaks to a character development issue. Why do you work so hard at something you don't really care about? Or do you and you don't have the maturity to accept coming up short despite your best effort? Or are you really just going through the motions?

In any event, thanks for sharing the quote. It does speak to the reality of what coaches face.

I wouldn't limit this to a DIII issue though. There are plenty of players who make it to DI and have the same experience. Life happens. Other priorities take over, especially for players who have been used to being the lead dog and find the view different from the rear of the sled. Yes, there is a scholarship at stake (or not if at an Ivy), but they too can rationalize that their education is more important as a way to deal with not having the desire to push forward in hockey.
 
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5 4 Fighting said:
Great, another beat down on DIII hockey. Bunch of fat kids that are in it to get themselves a degree and a man. Geez Huxley give us a break. :rolleyes:
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Dude, pull your whiny, arrogant, confrontational head out of your *** for once and read and (if you can) comprehend what I wrote. It is not a blanket indictment of DIII athletics, or the vast majority of the athletes. It is an observation of one of the contributing factors to large recruiting classes, or rosters.
 
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Hux said:
Dude, pull your whiny, arrogant, confrontational head out of your *** for once and read and (if you can) comprehend what I wrote. It is not a blanket indictment of DIII athletics, or the vast majority of the athletes. It is an observation of one of the contributing factors to large recruiting classes, or rosters.
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First of all...I'm not your Dude, or anybody elses for that matter.

Secondly, I did read & comprehend your statement that "Unfortunatley at the DIII level this is a common theme. I've seen players gain 40 pounds...blah ba blah."

& you talk to me about being arrogant...
 
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5 4 Fighting said:
First of all...I'm not your Dude, or anybody elses for that matter.

Secondly, I did read & comprehend your statement that "Unfortunatley at the DIII level this is a common theme. I've seen players gain 40 pounds...blah ba blah."

& you talk to me about being arrogant...
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yes, because we all know that D-III women's hockey players are the only ones who can ever be uncommitted to their team and potentially become out of shape over the summer. Hux, as I saw it, you were criticizing D-III girls for caring about things other than their scholarships and hockey, like their grades, relationships or other circumstances. But all of the points you mentioned were things that make them better human beings, students and futures of America. What can your fully committed, scholarship-ridden D-I player do after graduating that our overweight, married D-III player can't?

Do you see how ridiculous your statement was yet? Don't even bother arguing, 5-4. I guess it's hard for "them" to figure out why someone may consider to play for the love of the game and the education. Hux, the reason for the stir up is your use of the term unfortunately. The unfortunate part is that you think it's unfortunate for someone to choose academics and a relationship over playing hockey for four years and then, in all likelihood, never again.

All of these girls, D-III or D-I, will take their degrees and make something of themselves after they're done playing hockey, 40 pounds lighter or 40 pounds heavier, with relationships or without relationships. And there is nothing unfortunate about that.
 
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nyi19 said:
Hux, as I saw it, you were criticizing D-III girls for caring about things other than their scholarships and hockey, like their grades, relationships or other circumstances. But all of the points you mentioned were things that make them better human beings, students and futures of America. What can your fully committed, scholarship-ridden D-I player do after graduating that our overweight, married D-III player can't?

Do you see how ridiculous your statement was yet? Don't even bother arguing, 5-4. I guess it's hard for "them" to figure out why someone may consider to play for the love of the game and the education. Hux, the reason for the stir up is your use of the term unfortunately. The unfortunate part is that you think it's unfortunate for someone to choose academics and a relationship over playing hockey for four years and then, in all likelihood, never again.

All of these girls, D-III or D-I, will take their degrees and make something of themselves after they're done playing hockey, 40 pounds lighter or 40 pounds heavier, with relationships or without relationships. And there is nothing unfortunate about that.
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Not criticizing in the least. I've no problem with anyone packing on the pounds, opting for a relationship, focusing on academics, or any other litany of reasons for not participating. Their bodies, their lives. More power to 'em.

The "unfortunate" part is taking the attitude that it is ok to use a "commitment" as a foot in the door, and then not honoring that commitment, hence the need for larger recruiting classes/rosters. What is unfortunate is that people want to ***** about the size of incoming classes, or the roster, but don't want to take into account some of the reasons this happens. That was the point I was trying to make.
 
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Hux said:
Not criticizing in the least. I've no problem with anyone packing on the pounds, opting for a relationship, focusing on academics, or any other litany of reasons for not participating. Their bodies, their lives. More power to 'em.

The "unfortunate" part is taking the attitude that it is ok to use a "commitment" as a foot in the door, and then not honoring that commitment, hence the need for larger recruiting classes/rosters. What is unfortunate is that people want to ***** about the size of incoming classes, or the roster, but don't want to take into account some of the reasons this happens. That was the point I was trying to make.
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Hux, not withstanding the point you were trying to make, let me say... of all the contributors to this board you may be the most informative, finger-on-the pulse blogger we have . I enjoy ur commentary and the such & there is sincere doubt in this writers mind that whatever was conveyed in a prior post well....is not what was meant to be said....it just kinda came out wrong, hoping so anyways.

The problem I have is the subliminal neverending message that seems to get portrayed by some on these boards daily. Case in point " Season's Schedules 2010 - 2011" vs. "DIII 2010--11 Schedules" having to make it's own distinction. This is a generality but the have's and the have not's connotations make me sick to the stomach.

Any of you ever venture outside of the mainstream wonder why they don't schedule any top DIII exhibition games vs. D1 or Ivy?

Please, if you ever have.... don't under estimate what many seem to begrudge as the "Children of a Lesser God"

It marks a man and is in poor taste.
 
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5 4 Fighting said:
Hux, not withstanding the point you were trying to make, let me say... of all the contributors to this board you may be the most informative, finger-on-the pulse blogger we have . I enjoy ur commentary and the such & there is sincere doubt in this writers mind that whatever was conveyed in a prior post well....is not what was meant to be said....it just kinda came out wrong, hoping so anyways.

The problem I have is the subliminal neverending message that seems to get portrayed by some on these boards daily. Case in point " Season's Schedules 2010 - 2011" vs. "DIII 2010--11 Schedules" having to make it's own distinction. This is a generality but the have's and the have not's connotations make me sick to the stomach.

Any of you ever venture outside of the mainstream wonder why they don't schedule any top DIII exhibition games vs. D1 or Ivy?

Please, if you ever have.... don't under estimate what many seem to begrudge as the "Children of a Lesser God"

It marks a man and is in poor taste.
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Well, there is a difference between the two divisions. Basically it comes down to skill, and speed. By no means does this make DIII less entertaining or competitive. There are fast and highly skilled girls in DIII, and slow(ish) and less skilled girls in D1. Overall, the skill and speed advantage goes to D1. However, as we have seen, DIII can beat D1, but that is the exception rather than the rule.

As for scheduling, well I'm sure there is a rule about NCAA teams playing against NCAA teams in exhibitions and counting against the schedule maximum.
 
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Hux said:
Well, there is a difference between the two divisions. Basically it comes down to skill, and speed. By no means does this make DIII less entertaining or competitive. There are fast and highly skilled girls in DIII, and slow(ish) and less skilled girls in D1. Overall, the skill and speed advantage goes to D1. However, as we have seen, DIII can beat D1, but that is the exception rather than the rule.

As for scheduling, well I'm sure there is a rule about NCAA teams playing against NCAA teams in exhibitions and counting against the schedule maximum.
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Well....so how very diplomatic of you..
 
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My daughter will admit she is still more interested in playing hockey than in getting an education, so I am grateful to hockey for keeping her working hard at school all these years, and moving her into post-secondary education, which she is doing primarily so that she can keep playing hockey! She is working out at the gym like crazy this summer and rarin' to get going. She did pick a D111 school largely for academic reasons - it is small enough to not overwhelm her, and has great character and charm.
 
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5 4 Fighting said:
The problem I have is the subliminal neverending message that seems to get portrayed by some on these boards daily. Case in point " Season's Schedules 2010 - 2011" vs. "DIII 2010--11 Schedules" having to make it's own distinction. This is a generality but the have's and the have not's connotations make me sick to the stomach.
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I don't see anything wrong with it. The men have separate threads for D1 and D3. Rumors have swirled in the past about separating the women's thread as well but it hasn't happened. I might jump on the UMD thread once in awhile, but I don't pay hardly any attention to the D1 side...and there are many D1 fans that don't pay attention to the D3 side. I'd be annoyed having to sift thru D1 schedules on a thread to find the D3 ones.

Outside of the Sacred Hearts/Holy Cross's that don't want to be competitive at a D1 level....I can't forsee any D3 team taking down a real D1 team.
 
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gojackets said:
I don't see anything wrong with it. The men have separate threads for D1 and D3. Rumors have swirled in the past about separating the women's thread as well but it hasn't happened. I might jump on the UMD thread once in awhile, but I don't pay hardly any attention to the D1 side...and there are many D1 fans that don't pay attention to the D3 side. I'd be annoyed having to sift thru D1 schedules on a thread to find the D3 ones.

Outside of the Sacred Hearts/Holy Cross's that don't want to be competitive at a D1 level....I can't forsee any D3 team taking down a real D1 team.
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Which we can probably county on two hands and half a foot
 
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