Maybe because he's a national championship winning alum and the Kreitzberg recruiting pitch is a pretty cool one to make despite all the babies making excuses around here. Who the f knows? We're just spitballing because the team pretty much sucks and we want to have hope that it's not going to get worse.
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Norwich 2022-23 Back to Normal (ish)
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Maybe because he's a national championship winning alum and the Kreitzberg recruiting pitch is a pretty cool one to make despite all the babies making excuses around here. Who the f knows? We're just spitballing because the team pretty much sucks and we want to have hope that it's not going to get worse.
Bog Hockey
Member
Ellsworth does NOT get credit for the national runner-up team. Anyone have Hockenbury’s ear?
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
He was in the pool after McShane retired and ultimately committee went with Ellsworth over a finalist crew that included TJ Manastersky and Dominick Dawes.
This will be my last post for a while, mostly because the season is over. Feel free to bash me all you want.
I am an Ellsworth supporter. We all agree this team needs to be a LOT better offensively. You guys think it’s because of Cam, I think it’s because of the dramatic shift in the landscape.
I have repeatedly tried to provide “inside info” about the limitations/obstacles the administration has put up in the last few years. Not one thing I told you is BS. Comparing the recruiting environment during Mike’s tenure to the one now is literally apples to oranges. Norwich has become more expensive, and financial aid has gotten much, much worse. As someone who spent many years recruiting, money talks - period. Other schools are increasing resources to hockey while NU is scaling theirs back. There are more viable options to play nationally competitive hockey now than there was. And they’re a lot more affordable. As a former NU hockey assistant told me, without the rink, no one would come to Norwich for hockey anymore.
NU took off when the school made a conscious decision to get good at hockey. Unless they make the decision to re-dedicate themselves to it, it won’t matter who the coach is.
I am an Ellsworth supporter. We all agree this team needs to be a LOT better offensively. You guys think it’s because of Cam, I think it’s because of the dramatic shift in the landscape.
I have repeatedly tried to provide “inside info” about the limitations/obstacles the administration has put up in the last few years. Not one thing I told you is BS. Comparing the recruiting environment during Mike’s tenure to the one now is literally apples to oranges. Norwich has become more expensive, and financial aid has gotten much, much worse. As someone who spent many years recruiting, money talks - period. Other schools are increasing resources to hockey while NU is scaling theirs back. There are more viable options to play nationally competitive hockey now than there was. And they’re a lot more affordable. As a former NU hockey assistant told me, without the rink, no one would come to Norwich for hockey anymore.
NU took off when the school made a conscious decision to get good at hockey. Unless they make the decision to re-dedicate themselves to it, it won’t matter who the coach is.
We all are shocked ... Disappointed ... P-ed off right now .
Looking for someone or something to blame.
My two cents ... we need someone like a Rich Schneider at the top ... without that commitment to make things happen Norwich is going to continue that slow slide into mediocrity.
The other thing to keep an eye on .... the changing face of D-3. Hockey leagues. As great as it is the NEHC is in real danger of being torn apart by things beyond hockey's control, and Norwich needs to be ready to act on it or they could get lost in the shuffle.
Looking for someone or something to blame.
My two cents ... we need someone like a Rich Schneider at the top ... without that commitment to make things happen Norwich is going to continue that slow slide into mediocrity.
The other thing to keep an eye on .... the changing face of D-3. Hockey leagues. As great as it is the NEHC is in real danger of being torn apart by things beyond hockey's control, and Norwich needs to be ready to act on it or they could get lost in the shuffle.
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Bog Hockey
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Flint, I, for one, will not bash you. I’m on record respecting your insights, intel, and observations, and for sharing them. I’ve been angry for at least the last two seasons so I hardly qualify as jumping on the anti-Ellsworth bandwagon over this latest embarrassment. I just disagree with you, which makes neither one of us a bad person. Sure, we can blame the players, referees, ice surface, internet, student section, poor attendance, growing competition, high cost of education, lower financial aid, not playing as a team, inexperienced squad, rural Vermont, the Corps, VT weather, injuries, rising ticket costs, the jerseys, etc.
I’ve been looking for leadership to step up and accept some responsibility for a declining program. I’m a realist in that I certainly don’t expect Ellsworth to announce his resignation, but as head coach, I expect him to accept some responsibility.
New York, Newwwwww York seems to be figuring it out.
Enjoy the “off season.”
This is where I think you're dead wrong and it proves you haven't been listening. Fine whatever we can't be what Hobart is anymore because of the current financial climate. I don't think that's what most of us are saying we need to be. This has nothing to do with McShane. I've been watching since Taylor arena and some of those teams had bad wins loss records but do you know what? they played hard. This team we watched lose to Southern Maine last night was lifeless most of the time. Dumping pucks in with no prayer to win them because they were too slow or too tired. Maybe both. It was embarrassing and it does have something to do with the coach.
All I know is, if you were around this season (outside of game hours, including late into the night last night) Ellsworth was pretty GD frustrated with the effort level all year, sat guys more than once because of it, and had much more of an “edge” as a coach than years prior. I walked into Doyle Hall one afternoon to witness him having the guys stand there looking at the banners while “enthusiastically” telling them the effort it takes to win them.
I know I said that was my last post for a while, but the idea that Ellsworth is hunky dory with the lack of intensity is wrong. Again, we all agree that there is an issue (this time it’s all out effort), where we differ is my belief that he can get it fixed.
On topic, that’s what I love about Clark Kerner and Pat O’Neal; full tilt all the time.
I know I said that was my last post for a while, but the idea that Ellsworth is hunky dory with the lack of intensity is wrong. Again, we all agree that there is an issue (this time it’s all out effort), where we differ is my belief that he can get it fixed.
On topic, that’s what I love about Clark Kerner and Pat O’Neal; full tilt all the time.
Maybe he should listen to his lead recruiter more and get more character guys that are less talented.
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
On a more positive note...
I was at the Bruins game last Tuesday and during the intermission an Aucoin with the #5 was out there and ended up scoring a goal. It seemed to be too much of a coincidence with all those factors of being in Boston, the name and the number...I texted Keith and sure enough that was his kid out there!
Also, Gabriel Chicoine is currently third in the ECHL in points by a defenseman. 11 goals, 30 assists 41 points in 46 games played. I would think/hope he's on track to get a sniff of the AHL at some point and get a call up to Providence?!
I was at the Bruins game last Tuesday and during the intermission an Aucoin with the #5 was out there and ended up scoring a goal. It seemed to be too much of a coincidence with all those factors of being in Boston, the name and the number...I texted Keith and sure enough that was his kid out there!
Also, Gabriel Chicoine is currently third in the ECHL in points by a defenseman. 11 goals, 30 assists 41 points in 46 games played. I would think/hope he's on track to get a sniff of the AHL at some point and get a call up to Providence?!
Bog Hockey
Member
We need to keep peeling the onion back on this situation. Or take the 5Ws approach, I don’t care.
The responsibility for motivating each and every player to play “full tilt” each and every game does not fall on the Captains. It must come from the top, and if Ellsworth is not able to motivate each player in that fashion, then there is most definitely a leadership void. There’s really no other way to view it.
Flint, does he have the players’ respect?
I believe he does. Very much so. I have not interacted with every player on the roster, but the ones I have spoken to have expressed a profound respect and admiration for their coach.
Fishman'81
Black Bear since D-2
I think he'd be a solid bet.
I'm sorry but you are such a BS artist. He's probably a good guy I don't know I've never even met the man but this is taking it way too far. They won 14/26 games. Profound respect and admiration? Give me a break. Most people only feel that way about a few others their whole lives but you're telling us that the majority of this middling team feels this way about Cam Ellsworth? LOL
Apology accepted.
I would encourage you to meet him at some point and have a conversation. I’ve had many. You can think what you want about his hockey coaching but I have found him to be a man of extremely high character. I think the players have the utmost respect for him, based primarily around said character.
I was asked if the players respected him. I answered that question. Does character make you a good hockey coach? It certainly helps, but the answer I gave has nothing to do with coaching acumen.
Haven’t heard the answer to this yet.
Ask em. You’re all superfans. It’s d3. The guys are out and about in town all the time.
Ask a player if he respects Cam, and if he says yes, ask him why he doesn’t put out effort.
Report back with the answer because I would be interested as well. Maybe I’m way off and they don’t respect Cam. I doubt it, but I’d admit if I was wrong.
elbojpb
Well-known member
From a philosophical perspective, most experts agree that: while inspiration can come from an external source, motivation originates internally.