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Norwich 2022-23 Back to Normal (ish)

KrbFlint said:
Maybe…

but I was being genuine lol
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D-1 college sports are going to Hell in a hand-basket, from where I sit. While I'm not opposed to the NIL thing, nor to the portal (in principle) we've already seen how they've created chaos in the money sports. Those outs will strip away any pretense of a level playing field there.

I'm fairly confident that they'll not be any significant money via D-3 hockey to use as bait in the foreseeable future. Even many elite programs (eg. Adrian) cannot possibly be turning a profit.
 
I agree money shouldn't be a big problem in d3 hockey. The biggest problem is the impending enrollment crisis that's gonna start in 2025. It's projected a majority of the closings will be small private colleges in the northeast which is the bulk of d3 hockey. Although not a liberal arts school, and I don't know how probable it might be, it's certainly possible Norwich does not make it out. To be fair it doesn't mean public schools are safe either, I personally think suny Potsdam is gonna merge with canton in the future
 
Fishman'81 said:
D-1 college sports are going to Hell in a hand-basket, from where I sit. While I'm not opposed to the NIL thing, nor to the portal (in principle) we've already seen how they've created chaos in the money sports. Those outs will strip away any pretense of a level playing field there.

I'm fairly confident that they'll not be any significant money via D-3 hockey to use as bait in the foreseeable future. Even many elite programs (eg. Adrian) cannot possibly be turning a profit.
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I've been saying for years that D1 basketball and football should just admit they are the minor leagues for the NBA and the NFL, and major colleges should just adopt the local team and not even require the facade of the student athlete in D1. Although currently the rest of the sports that cannot sustain themselves on "attendance/eyeballs" , benefit from the revenues created by the money sports. The current NIL war in D! is insane as coaches must recruit and re-recruit players every year and co-ordinate $$ with "booster" groups. Dabo Sweeney at Clemson has tried to recruit just Freshman and maintain his players based on the love of the program, NIL $$ as necessary and remain loyal to his original recruits. Notice that Clemson has fallen as FSU "rent-a player" approach has risen. Probably one reason Lou Saban retired is the current system.
This is why I love D3 sports so much and try to support them......student athletes just playing for the love of the game. When the little "much maligned Cooler" based Hobart Hockey team won the Naty last year, just watching the pure joy of those young men celebrating was priceless.
 
PrezdeJohnson09 said:
Who’s Lou Saban? ;)
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Ooops, I meant Nick, but Lou was the first coach of the Patriots in 1960 and a Linebacker for the Browns, and a buddy of George Steinbrenner......with all of that is an admission on my part of having too many sports names in my really old brain....and spitting them out randomly. Thanks for reading the post.
 
Good win last night. Nice to see the team rebound from an early one goal deficit and pour it on a lesser opponent. Big one today vs Skidmore.
 
Crazy how much this team keeps yo-yoing back and forth from what appears to be a contender to a pretender and back and forth and back and forth.

If they can find a way to win out rest of the regular season and then make it to conference semis or finals, almost seems like there is a path to an at-large bid again.

Can’t lose more than once though, 2 losses would surely be the death nail into any at-large possibilities.

Good weekend at home where they have proven to be strong all season. The problem has been the away from Kreitzberg record and they’ll have to find a way to get positive results in their last 3 games on the road and then likely at least 1 or 2 road playoff games.
 
PrezdeJohnson09 said:
Crazy how much this team keeps yo-yoing back and forth from what appears to be a contender to a pretender and back and forth and back and forth.

If they can find a way to win out rest of the regular season and then make it to conference semis or finals, almost seems like there is a path to an at-large bid again.

Can’t lose more than once though, 2 losses would surely be the death nail into any at-large possibilities.

Good weekend at home where they have proven to be strong all season. The problem has been the away from Kreitzberg record and they’ll have to find a way to get positive results in their last 3 games on the road and then likely at least 1 or 2 road playoff games.
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This is simultaneously an “excuse” and a fact.

Inexperienced teams, with talent, tend to be inconsistent. Some nights the talent shows, other nights it disappears. Generally, and hopefully, with experience comes consistency.

I know this. Bryce Walcarius is legit. I’ve heard a lot of praise heaped on Molu (most of it deserved) but I like Walcarius a LOT.
 
Steve Day said:
It would be nice to see more fans there for such an important game in League Standings. Only 1100 in attendance Last Night


STEVE DAY (NU71)
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Unfortunately, the Corps has been throughly poisoned against athletics. So they don’t come. Friday night there were about 50 football players, 20 football recruits, 10 rugby players, and a handful of basketball players making up the student section. Not sure there was a single corps kid there who wasn’t an athlete. It’s a real shame.
 
KrbFlint said:
Unfortunately, the Corps has been throughly poisoned against athletics. So they don’t come. Friday night there were about 50 football players, 20 football recruits, 10 rugby players, and a handful of basketball players making up the student section. Not sure there was a single corps kid there who wasn’t an athlete. It’s a real shame.
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I’d love to hear more about this if you feel willing to share? I know it’s felt like in the 14 years I’ve been around Norwich this has kind of gone back and forth where the corps
support has been strong and other years not so much.

What has happened recently that has caused this divide?

It’s a shame that the school is so hell bent on being 2/3rds Cops and 1/3rds civilian and wants to prop up athletics constantly on social media yet can’t seem to connect the two factions under Norwich’s banner.
 
PrezdeJohnson09 said:
I’d love to hear more about this if you feel willing to share? I know it’s felt like in the 14 years I’ve been around Norwich this has kind of gone back and forth where the corps
support has been strong and other years not so much.

What has happened recently that has caused this divide?

It’s a shame that the school is so hell bent on being 2/3rds Cops and 1/3rds civilian and wants to prop up athletics constantly on social media yet can’t seem to connect the two factions under Norwich’s banner.
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Back in the day, a lot of athletes had leadership positions within the Corps. Prior commandants have made this next to impossible (hoping for improvement under Col. McCullough). There’s a narrative that Corps athletes are “getting out of” training, when in reality they’re doing more. I believe a huge percentage of athletes in the Corps are also doing ROTC/contracting, so it’s laughable that somehow they’re a discredit to the Corps.

I can’t give you a hard and fast reason for the divide, but that is my opinion based on my observations. I often wonder how much the disbanding of some of the…um…societies has affected the overall demeanor of the Corps.

Corps leadership (students, not adults) actively tries to discourage athletic participation among Rooks. I know the commandant is aware and does not condone it (former NU student athlete himself).

The lack of actual cadets playing hockey for the Cadets probably hurts, but it isn’t like that’s a new set of circumstances. Norwich also has this bizarre (on campus) problem with acknowledging the difference between varsity and club sports. It’s common to hear kids say the club team is better than the varsity (we all know those games would be 10-0).

Finally, there was a severe crackdown on fan behavior which, I think, took a lot of the fun out of being a part of a raucous student section. I don’t condone profanity, etc but I believe a good student section should make it extremely uncomfortable to be a visitor. The student-athletes Friday night did a decent job of letting Castleton know they were in hostile territory.
 
KrbFlint said:
Back in the day, a lot of athletes had leadership positions within the Corps. Prior commandants have made this next to impossible (hoping for improvement under Col. McCullough). There’s a narrative that Corps athletes are “getting out of” training, when in reality they’re doing more. I believe a huge percentage of athletes in the Corps are also doing ROTC/contracting, so it’s laughable that somehow they’re a discredit to the Corps.

I can’t give you a hard and fast reason for the divide, but that is my opinion based on my observations. I often wonder how much the disbanding of some of the…um…societies has affected the overall demeanor of the Corps.

Corps leadership (students, not adults) actively tries to discourage athletic participation among Rooks. I know the commandant is aware and does not condone it (former NU student athlete himself).

The lack of actual cadets playing hockey for the Cadets probably hurts, but it isn’t like that’s a new set of circumstances. Norwich also has this bizarre (on campus) problem with acknowledging the difference between varsity and club sports. It’s common to hear kids say the club team is better than the varsity (we all know those games would be 10-0).

Finally, there was a severe crackdown on fan behavior which, I think, took a lot of the fun out of being a part of a raucous student section. I don’t condone profanity, etc but I believe a good student section should make it extremely uncomfortable to be a visitor. The student-athletes Friday night did a decent job of letting Castleton know they were in hostile territory.
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Definitely not new there on the number of actual cadets on the varsity team. Generally there has always been 1 or 2 or close to that. At least during my time it felt like there was always at least one. I think the most there ever was three or four while I was there.

Was the severe crackdown on fan behavior new in the last couple years? I know Pres. Schneider certainly didn't care for some things and had things stifled up over there a few times, but would have thought under Anarumo things might get a little more open and lenient in that area given how he seemed to view things.

The only times I ever got a glimpse of what the "prime" Norwich days with crowds were two that I can recall off the top of my head.

1. The first whiteout game vs. Middlebury in 2011? I think it was. Charlie Crosby did an awesome job generating some buzz with the students and went down to the cafeteria with the team and handed out tickets and made everything believe it was a can't miss event. There were students in the stands at 4:45 p.m. for a 7 p.m. puck drop (it was full by warmups) for that game and there were some incredible photos of the student section from that game. Pretty sure Norwich won handily too like 6 or 7-1.

2. The 2017? NEHC Championship game vs. New England College. I'm quite sure this is the biggest crowd that ever happened while I was at Norwich. Maybe a couple other games would have rivaled it like that 2012 11-1 beatdown vs. Castleton in the ECAC East final. There were people 2-3 rows deep standing on the rails, every seat filled and even people standing on trash cans and benches.
 
PrezdeJohnson09 said:
Definitely not new there on the number of actual cadets on the varsity team. Generally there has always been 1 or 2 or close to that. At least during my time it felt like there was always at least one. I think the most there ever was three or four while I was there.

Was the severe crackdown on fan behavior new in the last couple years? I know Pres. Schneider certainly didn't care for some things and had things stifled up over there a few times, but would have thought under Anarumo things might get a little more open and lenient in that area given how he seemed to view things.

The only times I ever got a glimpse of what the "prime" Norwich days with crowds were two that I can recall off the top of my head.

1. The first whiteout game vs. Middlebury in 2011? I think it was. Charlie Crosby did an awesome job generating some buzz with the students and went down to the cafeteria with the team and handed out tickets and made everything believe it was a can't miss event. There were students in the stands at 4:45 p.m. for a 7 p.m. puck drop (it was full by warmups) for that game and there were some incredible photos of the student section from that game. Pretty sure Norwich won handily too like 6 or 7-1.

2. The 2017? NEHC Championship game vs. New England College. I'm quite sure this is the biggest crowd that ever happened while I was at Norwich. Maybe a couple other games would have rivaled it like that 2012 11-1 beatdown vs. Castleton in the ECAC East final. There were people 2-3 rows deep standing on the rails, every seat filled and even people standing on trash cans and benches.
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There even used to be some Corps march downs to the game.
 
Great weekend for the team! I was unfortunately out of town for a family event and only watched part of Friday's game and none against Skidmore. I hope they can keep it up tomorrow night against the Cards!

Sad to hear about the lack of Corp support...
 
PrezdeJohnson09 said:
The only times I ever got a glimpse of what the "prime" Norwich days with crowds were two that I can recall off the top of my head.

1. The first whiteout game vs. Middlebury in 2011? I think it was. Charlie Crosby did an awesome job generating some buzz with the students and went down to the cafeteria with the team and handed out tickets and made everything believe it was a can't miss event. There were students in the stands at 4:45 p.m. for a 7 p.m. puck drop (it was full by warmups) for that game and there were some incredible photos of the student section from that game. Pretty sure Norwich won handily too like 6 or 7-1.

2. The 2017? NEHC Championship game vs. New England College. I'm quite sure this is the biggest crowd that ever happened while I was at Norwich. Maybe a couple other games would have rivaled it like that 2012 11-1 beatdown vs. Castleton in the ECAC East final. There were people 2-3 rows deep standing on the rails, every seat filled and even people standing on trash cans and benches.
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Before your time but when they hosted the 2003 and 2004 national championship weekend. I was there in '04, but not '03.

(And in 2002 and 2005, Middlebury hosted it. Four years in a row in Vermont.)
 
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