Northern Michigan University Wildcats 2016-17 Season Thread: Gotta Get Up And Try

[boot_walt_kyle]

Re: Northern Michigan University Wildcats 2016-17 Season Thread: Gotta Get Up And Try

Pecknold was hired as Head Coach when Quinnipiac was D-1, then remained with the program as it transitioned to D1. Carvel: NHL assistant, that above the minimum of time as D-1 assustand. You're right on Donato. But call him up and see if he'd be interested. I am telling what NMU HR would likely put there if the job were to be posted. Very similar to the postings for the other sports.

There's a couple other qualifications: they would have to be ready to come here under the current financial and budgetary conditions. And be able to bring in and retain top notch assistants as well.

I'm not saying we hire Donato. I'm saying we should consider hiring someone like Oystrick and hope that they become our version of Donato. One of the big problems facing NMU right now is that they don't have many alumni with coaching experience. Oystrick and Axtell are both ECHL assistants, Rich is at LSSU, and Contois I think is still coaching USHL. My worry about hiring someone young with no university connection is that if they do find success, they would have no incentive to stay beyond monetary compensation. Also: We pay our assistants crap (for every sport) - no coach at NMU will be able to retain quality assistants on the current budget

 

[eye4talent]

Re: Northern Michigan University Wildcats 2016-17 Season Thread: Gotta Get Up And Try

Pecknold was hired as Head Coach when Quinnipiac was D-2, then remained with the program as it transitioned to D1. Carvel: NHL assistant, that's above the minimum of time as D-1 assistant. You're right on Donato. But call him up and see if he'd be interested. I am telling what NMU HR would likely put there if the job were to be posted. Very similar to the postings for the other sports.

There's a couple other qualifications: they would have to be ready to come here under the current financial and budgetary conditions. And be able to bring in and retain top notch assistants as well.

Hire Joe Shawhan and be done with it.

 

[davyd83]

I'm not saying we hire Donato. I'm saying we should consider hiring someone like Oystrick and hope that they become our version of Donato. One of the big problems facing NMU right now is that they don't have many alumni with coaching experience. Oystrick and Axtell are both ECHL assistants, Rich is at LSSU, and Contois I think is still coaching USHL. My worry about hiring someone young with no university connection is that if they do find success, they would have no incentive to stay beyond monetary compensation. Also: We pay our assistants crap (for every sport) - no coach at NMU will be able to retain quality assistants on the current budget

Contois is in his second year in the NAHL. Did Oystrick complete his degree? He's in his first year as a full time assistant coach. Half way through the year. That's D-1 Head coaching candidate?

 

[RapidsCity]

Hire Joe Shawhan and be done with it.

Ah yes, the guy who had a big hand in the recruiting this year's junior & senior classes that are really lighting up the win column.

 

[RapidsCity]

Contois is in the NAHL. Did Oystrick complete his degree? He's in his first year as a full time assistant coach. Half way through the year. That's D-1 Head coaching candidate?

I wonder if Oystrick would make it through the vetting process, if he has the required degree at this point.

 

[aparch]

Re: Northern Michigan University Wildcats 2016-17 Season Thread: Gotta Get Up And Try

We're all forgetting there is a local NMU alum working under Walt currently getting coaching experience. Unless the general feeling from the crowd is that Rob would need to spread his wings elsewhere...

 

[davyd83]

I wonder if Oystrick would make it through the vetting process, if he has the required degree at this point.

At this point, I'll recuse myself from this portion of the discussion. I've put out some of the parameters that would be in place in should the process come into play. Go Cats!

 

[aparch]

I wonder if Oystrick would make it through the vetting process, if he has the required degree at this point.

I believe he did complete his degree. Using the football vacancy as a guide: https://jobs.mitalent.org/job-seeker/job-details/4055279

The bar for all applicants is sorta low...

 

[RapidsCity]

We're all forgetting there is a local NMU alum working under Walt currently getting coaching experience. Unless the general feeling from the crowd is that Rob would need to spread his wings elsewhere...

He'd be a far stronger candidate than Oystrick or Axtell. At least he's been part of the D-1 system and has been on the recruiting trail.

 

[boot_walt_kyle]

Re: Northern Michigan University Wildcats 2016-17 Season Thread: Gotta Get Up And Try

He'd be a far stronger candidate than Oystrick or Axtell. At least he's been part of the D-1 system and has been on the recruiting trail.

I just don't see how someone who gained their coaching experience while the program is faltering so badly can step in and lead. I think new blood from outside the current system is needed to turn things around

 

[boot_walt_kyle]

Re: Northern Michigan University Wildcats 2016-17 Season Thread: Gotta Get Up And Try

Contois is in his second year in the NAHL. Did Oystrick complete his degree? He's in his first year as a full time assistant coach. Half way through the year. That's D-1 Head coaching candidate?

I remember Oystrick talking about how he was playing his last game before graduating at the end of the 2006 season. I obviously am not in a position to know what his academic standing is and if he followed through and actually completed his degree. Suffice to say, I'm not looking for a midseason coaching change at this point, so Oystrick would have an entire season as an assistant. I'm not saying he's a great candidate - outside of a handful of interactions when I was in college, I don't personally know Oystrick and have no inside knowledge of his abilities as a coach.

More importantly that getting stuck on individual names, what I am saying is that if someone like Contois or Oystrick (or insert any other young coaching name) comes along and they are a good fit and a strong potential coach, they shouldn't be discounted immediately due to lack of experience.

 

[RapidsCity]

I remember Oystrick talking about how he was playing his last game before graduating at the end of the 2006 season. I obviously am not in a position to know what his academic standing is and if he followed through and actually completed his degree. Suffice to say, I'm not looking for a midseason coaching change at this point, so Oystrick would have an entire season as an assistant. I'm not saying he's a great candidate - outside of a handful of interactions when I was in college, I don't personally know Oystrick and have no inside knowledge of his abilities as a coach.

More importantly that getting stuck on individual names, what I am saying is that if someone like Contois or Oystrick (or insert any other young coaching name) comes along and they are a good fit and a strong potential coach, they shouldn't be discounted immediately due to lack of experience.

Your the one who brought out names. And experience is critical. How could you be a good fit with next to no experience? So, hire an ace recruiter, right? Well if the guy's an ace recruiter, why wouldn't you hire him as head coach over the guy with one year assistant experience in the ECHL? I fully admit that the team has had tough times, but it's been mostly at or near the middle of the league. I believe this is an aberration. But I also believe you can fall from mediocrity to consistent futility. It can get worse. NMU needs a Tech change, not an LSSU change. The types of candidates that are being suggested are ludicrous.

 

[NMUFAN]

Re: Northern Michigan University Wildcats 2016-17 Season Thread: Gotta Get Up And Try

I fully admit that the team has had tough times, but it's been mostly at or near the middle of the league. I believe this is an aberration. But I also believe you can fall from mediocrity to consistent futility. It can get worse. NMU needs a Tech change, not an LSSU change. The types of candidates that are being suggested are ludicrous.

Completely agree. Just changing the coach will not help the program long term.

 

[BGDrew]

Re: Northern Michigan University Wildcats 2016-17 Season Thread: Gotta Get Up And Try

If you want a "Tech change" you'll need to be prepared for a $450,000 yearly commitment between the head coach's compensation package and necessary assistant coaches.

 

[DonorRoomDrinker]

Re: Northern Michigan University Wildcats 2016-17 Season Thread: Gotta Get Up And Try

Since names are being thrown around how about St. Norbert's Tim Coghlin and Stevens Point's Chris Brooks???? Both of them are very successful D3 hockey head coaches with proven track records.... Coghlin (Summerland, BC) has been at SNC for (23) seasons with a (521-134-52) record and is 52-years old while Brooks (Stratford, ON) has been at UWSP for (5) seasons with a (111-44-13) record and is 42-years old....

 

[MOJO]

Re: Northern Michigan University Wildcats 2016-17 Season Thread: Gotta Get Up And Try

Since names are being thrown around how about St. Norbert's Tim Coghlin and Stevens Point's Chris Brooks???? Both of them are very successful D3 hockey head coaches with proven track records.... Coghlin (Summerland, BC) has been at SNC for (23) seasons with a (521-134-52) record and is 52-years old while Brooks (Stratford, ON) has been at UWSP for (5) seasons with a (111-44-13) record and is 42-years old....

If we are staying with alumni during a search, I believe a long shot yet worthwhile candidate could be Peter Michelutti Jr. He's had success in Ontario as a junior coach and could open up new recruiting grounds in that area. He played both forward and defense at NMU and was highly respected.

Others could be Bill Zaniboni for consideration as either head coach or an assistant, or even Doug Garrow once again in either capacity.

Rob Facca, Dave Shyiak, and yes, even Nathan Oystrik should be given consideration.

Lastly, I have to state once again, nothing changes in the mind of the community and long time supporters if Kyle stays. The dominant consensus and opinion seems to be that it is needed for the program to rebound, both in the W/L column, support within the community, attendance, and perception. I for one cannot escape these discussions everywhere I go in the community.

http://www.hometeamsonline.com/team...Q=SUDBURYNICKELCAPITALWOLVESAAA&coachID=43155

 

[aparch]

...Rob Facca,...

Hang on, let me catch my breath from laughing.




Facca ain't ever coming back. Closest he'll get is when he stops by to visit while scouting. I can't see him giving up a paycheck from the Blackhawks coupled with the medical care his kid can get in the Chicagoland region.

 

[aparch]

Lastly, I have to state once again, nothing changes in the mind of the community and long time supporters if Kyle stays. The dominant consensus and opinion seems to be that it is needed for the program to rebound, both in the W/L column, support within the community, attendance, and perception. I for one cannot escape these discussions everywhere I go in the community.

Also, are these the same people who whined that NMU was leaving Lakeview back in 1997? The same people who whined that the seats at the Berry were terrible? (And were fixed in 2001) The same ones who whined that the sight lines were worse than Lakeview? (I've watched games in Lakeview, it's terrible) More of the same people who bemoaned the lack of alcohol sales? (That NMU finally offered a few years ago after acquiring an additional liquor license and liability) Are these the same people who said the lack of attendance was due to 7pm start times, families from Ishpeming, Negaunee, and Gwinn couldn't make puck drop? (Which NMU accommodated by making start times 730) The same people who then realized 730 starts were terrible because kids weren't home from games until after 10pm? (Again, NMU changed to accommodate) Are these people the same ones who continually find ways to excuse themselves from supporting the program just because the calendar doesn't say it's 1991?

For being Hockeyville, USA; MQT sounds more like the Blackhawks fanbase: bandwagoners for the NHL and that's it.

That sure isn't the boastful Redmen/Electrician/Wildcat Pride I remember from 2000 to 2005. (But the same whiners are still there complaining how the Berry is inferior to their Lakeview, which never held a candle to their precious Palestra)

 

[RapidsCity]

Hang on, let me catch my breath from laughing.




Facca ain't ever coming back. Closest he'll get is when he stops by to visit while scouting. I can't see him giving up a paycheck from the Blackhawks coupled with the medical care his kid can get in the Chicagoland region.

Michelutti coaches Midget AAA, where players move UP to junior. Zaniboni is at Tier III Marquette Royales level pay to play hockey and hasn't been able to move up to Tier II junior like the NAHL.Shyiak has proved himself as a WCHA head coach. Hope MOJO isn't on your search committee. As for Garrow, would he shut down his business and take a pay cut? He's more likely to be on the search committee that interviewing with it.

 

[MOJO]

Re: Northern Michigan University Wildcats 2016-17 Season Thread: Gotta Get Up And Try

Also, are these the same people who whined that NMU was leaving Lakeview back in 1997? The same people who whined that the seats at the Berry were terrible? (And were fixed in 2001) The same ones who whined that the sight lines were worse than Lakeview? (I've watched games in Lakeview, it's terrible) More of the same people who bemoaned the lack of alcohol sales? (That NMU finally offered a few years ago after acquiring an additional liquor license and liability) Are these the same people who said the lack of attendance was due to 7pm start times, families from Ishpeming, Negaunee, and Gwinn couldn't make puck drop? (Which NMU accommodated by making start times 730) The same people who then realized 730 starts were terrible because kids weren't home from games until after 10pm? (Again, NMU changed to accommodate) Are these people the same ones who continually find ways to excuse themselves from supporting the program just because the calendar doesn't say it's 1991?

For being Hockeyville, USA; MQT sounds more like the Blackhawks fanbase: bandwagoners for the NHL and that's it.

That sure isn't the boastful Redmen/Electrician/Wildcat Pride I remember from 2000 to 2005. (But the same whiners are still there complaining how the Berry is inferior to their Lakeview, which never held a candle to their precious Palestra)

Aparch, you don't live in the same reality as those in this community. It's easy to take scripted direction and be a keyboard warrior defending the coaching staff all the while taking swipes at the fans in Marquette. That isn't going to change things. While Marquette may be Hockeyville, token appearances and support of the Marquette Junior Hockey Association by NMU's coaches and players has fed the disconnect and discontent and it shows...just ask any of the past players who currently reside in Marquette where they stand.