Northeastern Huskies Offseason (Discipline: let's find it)

[SkinsFan09]

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Nice guys recruit, great coaches win games and dont do so by being their friend or "nice". He might be a nice guy but that has nothing to do with his eventual success at NU with the players. They played their tails off for Cronin.

If they want a friend, get them a dog. He is not there to be "liked". Very few like their coaches when they play for them.

I'm not talking about gametime situations. Even Dick Vermeil or Tony Dungy chewed out a player or two in their day when he needed. I'm not saying you want your coach to say "good try, that's all that matters," so don't make it out to be like that. The point is players understand what kind of guy a coach is. You think anyone enjoys playing for Lane Kiffin? No, he's a self-absorbed *****. And his crappy record reflected it. No coach is going to keep their emotions in when it's 2-2 in the third and a defensive mistake costs a goal, which is why I said he obviously can crack the whip when necessary but this idea that to be good you have to be a ******* is comical. A great coach is able to get the most out of each player understanding what type of motivation works. Some need to be chewed out, some need reinforcement (see anyone playing for John Wooden). But if you want to continue to believe that acting like a hardass 24/7 is the only way to win, be my guest. Seems to be paying dividends for the women's basketball program...

 

[Hokydad]

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womens bball?

ask uconn and u tenn if they are pals with their coach

Ast coaches are the "pals" not the hc's

 

[SkinsFan09]

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womens bball?

ask uconn and u tenn if they are pals with their coach

Ast coaches are the "pals" not the hc's

It's clear you don't care to try to get what I'm saying so I won't bother continuing. Not all great coaches are the same. Simple as that.

 

[Hokydad]

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It's clear you don't care to try to get what I'm saying so I won't bother continuing. Not all great coaches are the same. Simple as that.

Likewise...

 

[SkinsFan09]

Re: Northeastern Huskies Offseason (Discipline: let's find it)

Likewise...

I take back what I said - no I know exactly what you're saying, that he's not there to be a friend. The thing is, I never said he was going to be their "friend." I said he was going to be a guy who they would like to perform well for consistently, not just at the Beanpot and HE Tournament. That doesn't mean I'm implying he's gonna go bowling with them for God's sake or is going to let them off the hook when they are dicking around or under-perform. I'm not saying Cro didn't have the locker room in order, but perhaps you may want to accept that some people actually know every single player on the NU roster and know more about what they thought.

Joe Gibbs was loved by his players. His office was always open if they needed to talk. 3x Superbowl champion. Not a "hardass." That doesn't mean that during the 1983 NFC Championship Game he wasn't on the sidelines in the ears of players who weren't getting it done. That doesn't mean his players don't understand that he is the coach and if they want to play, they do what he says period. But you don't have to yell at your players or be extremely tough on them constantly for success. Some coaches excel this way, some don't. You seem to think I literally mean he is there to shoot the breeze during practice and not command respect from his players. I'm sure Tony Dungy didn't have the respect of his locker room then apparently since he wasn't tough as hell all the time.

Again, a great coach determines the best way to get his players to perform and news flash, that isn't always berating them.

 

[Hokydad]

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I take back what I said - no I know exactly what you're saying, that he's not there to be a friend. The thing is, I never said he was going to be their "friend." I said he was going to be a guy who they would like to perform well for consistently, not just at the Beanpot and HE Tournament. That doesn't mean I'm implying he's gonna go bowling with them for God's sake or is going to let them off the hook when they are dicking around or under-perform. I'm not saying Cro didn't have the locker room in order, but perhaps you may want to accept that some people actually know every single player on the NU roster and know more about what they thought.

Joe Gibbs was loved by his players. His office was always open if they needed to talk. 3x Superbowl champion. Not a "hardass." That doesn't mean that during the 1983 NFC Championship Game he wasn't on the sidelines in the ears of players who weren't getting it done. That doesn't mean his players don't understand that he is the coach and if they want to play, they do what he says period. But you don't have to yell at your players or be extremely tough on them constantly for success. Some coaches excel this way, some don't. You seem to think I literally mean he is there to shoot the breeze during practice and not command respect from his players. I'm sure Tony Dungy didn't have the respect of his locker room then apparently since he wasn't tough as hell all the time.

Again, a great coach determines the best way to get his players to perform and news flash, that isn't always berating them.

Good points...

News flash for you. He has the least experience of any coach in the league and zero success as a head coach. Also, he is not in the same mold of any of the coaches you mention and CRONIN had control of the team at all time.
I hope it works out great for him but to say because Gibbs won because he was a nice guy is silly. He did so as a great planner and a meticulous game planner/preparer.
Gibbs won because of his relentless preperation and football IQ. Not because he didnt yell.

 

[SkinsFan09]

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Good points...

News flash for you. He has the least experience of any coach in the league and zero success as a head coach. Also, he is not in the same mold of any of the coaches you mention and CRONIN had control of the team at all time.

True. But Gibbs was unknown when he came to D.C. He was considered a mediocre hire at the time. Regardless, I agree, he has to prove he can hack it to gain the respect of the players quicker. No question about that. Cronin (Cro is what everyone refers to him by at work each day) is certainly not one to lose his player's respect for his position.

 

[Hokydad]

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True. But Gibbs was unknown when he came to D.C. He was considered a mediocre hire at the time. Regardless, I agree, he has to prove he can hack it to gain the respect of the players quicker. No question about that. Cronin (Cro is what everyone refers to him by at work each day) is certainly not one to lose his player's respect for his position.

How is an 18 year ast an unknown? The offensive coordinator of the Chargers who had just averaged over 400 yards per game and broke every NFL record??

Gibbs began his career with a stint as offensive line coach at San Diego State under Coryell (1964–1966). He held the same position at Florida State (1967–1968) before serving under John McKay at Southern California (1969–1970) and Frank Broyles at Arkansas (1971–1972). Gibbs then rose up to the National Football League, hired as the offensive backfield coach for the St. Louis Cardinals (1973–1977) by head coach Don Coryell. After a season as offensive coordinator for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers (1978) under McKay, Gibbs rejoined Coryell with the San Diego Chargers (1979–1980).

As the offensive coordinator for San Diego, Gibbs spearheaded the highly successful "Air Coryell" offense. Using a sophisticated passing attack, the Chargers and quarterback Dan Fouts set multiple offensive records during Gibbs' two seasons there. Remarkably, the Chargers averaged more than 400 yards of offense per game during their 1980 season. After 17 years of coaching as an assistant, in 1981 Gibbs was offered a job as the head coach of the Washington Redskins by Redskins owner Jack Kent Cooke.[3]

If you wanted to say that the recent NU hiring was a surprise and an "unknown track record", yes, I would agree. to go from scouting and working in the development office to HC in Hockey East is a far stretch from blowing the doors off the NFL with an off the charts new offensive system.

 

[SkinsFan09]

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How is an 18 year ast an unknown? The offensive coordinator of the Chargers who had just averaged over 400 yards per game and broke every NFL record??

Gibbs began his career with a stint as offensive line coach at San Diego State under Coryell (1964–1966). He held the same position at Florida State (1967–1968) before serving under John McKay at Southern California (1969–1970) and Frank Broyles at Arkansas (1971–1972). Gibbs then rose up to the National Football League, hired as the offensive backfield coach for the St. Louis Cardinals (1973–1977) by head coach Don Coryell. After a season as offensive coordinator for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers (1978) under McKay, Gibbs rejoined Coryell with the San Diego Chargers (1979–1980).

As the offensive coordinator for San Diego, Gibbs spearheaded the highly successful "Air Coryell" offense. Using a sophisticated passing attack, the Chargers and quarterback Dan Fouts set multiple offensive records during Gibbs' two seasons there. Remarkably, the Chargers averaged more than 400 yards of offense per game during their 1980 season. After 17 years of coaching as an assistant, in 1981 Gibbs was offered a job as the head coach of the Washington Redskins by Redskins owner Jack Kent Cooke.[3]

If you wanted to say that the recent NU hiring was a surprise and an "unknown track record", yes, I would agree. to go from scouting and working in the development office to HC in Hockey East is a far stretch from blowing the doors off the NFL with an off the charts new offensive system.

Unknown as a head coach though. Should have specified. And they started the 81 season 0-5. Everyone believed they had made a mistake in typical overzealous fan fashion. Finished the 81 season 8-8 and then won the Superbowl in 82. Wade Phillips had some great defenses before he became the Cowboys HC. I don't think the team ever really took him seriously enough to contend. They had some nice seasons because of talent but he was eventually tuned out. So, I mean unknown as a coach. They knew he was an offensive wizard which obviously showed in '83.

Either way, I hope J.M. proves the doubters wrong. If there's anyone who should want to do what it takes to raise this program to a level comparable to national powerhouses as realistic as that can be, it should be him.

 

[GoNU5]

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If you wanted to say that the recent NU hiring was a surprise and an "unknown track record", yes, I would agree. to go from scouting and working in the development office to HC in Hockey East is a far stretch from blowing the doors off the NFL with an off the charts new offensive system.

Of course, we also don't know what Madigan has up his sleeve. Not to say that he does have some radical new strategy that'll take us to great heights, but the whole "unknown" thing works for him in some ways. When you play a coach, you know his style, what sort of strategy he might run, etc. With Madigan, we get the temporary advantage of having no coaching staff know what he'll throw at them, while Madigan can figure out their system.

 

[Huskies01]

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Of course, we also don't know what Madigan has up his sleeve. Not to say that he does have some radical new strategy that'll take us to great heights, but the whole "unknown" thing works for him in some ways. When you play a coach, you know his style, what sort of strategy he might run, etc. With Madigan, we get the temporary advantage of having no coaching staff know what he'll throw at them, while Madigan can figure out their system.

Yeah, no. If he does not know what the other teams are going to do after being around the game the last 18 years, he has not been around the game. BC is going to be all offense, with occasional defense. bu is going to the net, hard, and beat us on the PP with the backdoor pass. UNH will attempt to outskill us, etc. Nothing here has changed.

As for JM, he has a squad with a ton of experience up and down. So he can let the dog loose if you will and let them play and not be forced to play a defensive turtle system like Cronin was forced to do when he first got here.

 

[Ryecheers]

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Good points...

News flash for you. He has the least experience of any coach in the league and zero success as a head coach. Also, he is not in the same mold of any of the coaches you mention and CRONIN had control of the team at all time.
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One might also say that Madigan has had zero failure as a head coach.
Hokydad, you apparently have a wealth of good contacts in college hockey. Have you ever met Jim Madigan? Have you had a meaningful conversation with him? Do you have any idea why or how he has generated such a deep well of loyal friends and goodwill?

Through his work as a scout, JM has relationships with each and every HEA coach he will face this year and has a "scoutseye" view of their approach to the game and to the way they use their players. He did not just fall off a turnip truck and land in our hockey office. He also knows our personel better than anyone except Sebastien.

 

[Hokydad]

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Good points...

News flash for you. He has the least experience of any coach in the league and zero success as a head coach. Also, he is not in the same mold of any of the coaches you mention and CRONIN had control of the team at all time.
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One might also say that Madigan has had zero failure as a head coach.
Hokydad, you apparently have a wealth of good contacts in college hockey. Have you ever met Jim Madigan? Have you had a meaningful conversation with him? Do you have any idea why or how he has generated such a deep well of loyal friends and goodwill?

Through his work as a scout, JM has relationships with each and every HEA coach he will face this year and has a "scoutseye" view of their approach to the game and to the way they use their players. He did not just fall off a turnip truck and land in our hockey office. He also knows our personel better than anyone except Sebastien.

yes and yes

all good with JM. the one thing you can count on is loyalty and not looking for better job

all good

 

[Huskies of NU]

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http://gonu.com/news/2011/8/17/MHOCKEY_0817114407.aspx

They've officially announced Foley and Keefe as the assistants. It seems like they both have pretty good connections in the hockey world and are familiar with HE, but don't have a ton of previous coaching experience at this level. I think they'll both be solid assistants and recruiters, and maybe we won't see as big of a drop off in talent level that I thought we would initially. Overall, I'm pleased with the hires, especially considering how late in the off-season it is. Thoughts?

 

[RossiRules]

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The fact that LaPlante and O'Connell were casualties of the regime change is too bad. However, has NU had and overalll gain(+) in this change on a comparative level my personal opinion is that we will just have to wait and see, if our new coach just stacked the deck with some old cronies.

Anyway, the AD got what he wanted a guy who wont make any trouble. Aside from that I hope they do well, but predict continued decade of medium performance. I could be wrong, but I just don’t see it coming form these 3. Is this the staff to win a National Championship only time will tell. However, if you look at he Greg, Sebastian, Albie line up against this group, who do you think is better? I only took the mini package this year.

 

[canada1]

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You are close to the mark....RR! My best friend is a brilliant and most likeable man. BUT he suffers from one ailment in that he absolutely has NO LUCK. Everything he does is well thought out. Well planned and as I said "brilliant". And then, every time...something happens and it turns to garbage. It's so bad that we have added "cide" to his last name and he has such a great personality that even he has accepted it. Of course, if it weren't "bad" luck, he wouldn't have any luck at all. SO...the new coachs are very likeable but do they have "luck" on their side or is this going to turn out to be a "ROBY-CIDE" for the NU program. That single element of "luck" or the lack thereof may support Rossi's contention of more years of mediocrity.

 

[Split-N]

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Of course, we also don't know what Madigan has up his sleeve...With Madigan, we get the temporary advantage of having no coaching staff know what he'll throw at them, while Madigan can figure out their system.

Good point on opposing coaches not being familiar with what makes JM tick. But I would go so far as to say that JM already knows most D1 coaches better than some of them even know themselves. Remember, he's been watching these coaches and teams for years through the eyes of an NHL scout, which has allowed him to systematically and dispassionately collect and analyze data beyond Xs and Os, and without game preparation and in-game pressures. We'll see how it all plays out soon enough.

 

[Hokydad]

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Good point on opposing coaches not being familiar with what makes JM tick. But I would go so far as to say that JM already knows most D1 coaches better than some of them even know themselves. Remember, he's been watching these coaches and teams for years through the eyes of an NHL scout, which has allowed him to systematically and dispassionately collect and analyze data beyond Xs and Os, and without game preparation and in-game pressures. We'll see how it all plays out soon enough.

Your getting a little out there...

Any games he went to watch had zero to do with X's and O's. To simply make an apearance, watch a few kids and send a report in on their specific play. I would bet 50 to 1 that if you set every Hockey east coach down and intervied them for 2 hours on the other Hockey East coaches and their tendancies etc, he would be in dead last, outside maybe the 2 new coaches. Even those two have probably watched more game film and are well aware of their styles. Zero chance he knows more than the other 8 and even less than that in regards to him knowing more about them than they do themselves.

 

[SkinsFan09]

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http://gonu.com/news/2011/8/17/MHOCKEY_0817114407.aspx

They've officially announced Foley and Keefe as the assistants. It seems like they both have pretty good connections in the hockey world and are familiar with HE, but don't have a ton of previous coaching experience at this level. I think they'll both be solid assistants and recruiters, and maybe we won't see as big of a drop off in talent level that I thought we would initially. Overall, I'm pleased with the hires, especially considering how late in the off-season it is. Thoughts?

Well so far finishing up the Manson deal and getting Manno to stay out of the QMJHL are good signs. I saw Madigan and Foley yesterday. Keefe is out recruiting right now. Good to hear.

 

[Hokydad]

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no one works harder than Keefe...