No Doubt About It: Some Muslims Are Bat Chit Crazy!

[Old Pio]

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/04/02/afghan-protest-quran-burning-leaves-5-dead/

I'm waiting for CAIR and other Muslim whiners to condemn this behavior. Possibly Senator Durbin will have something to say when he's done pandering to American Muslims.

Some of these people are so looney a phony rumor of disrespect toward their "holy" book is enough to set them off. Remember the "flushing" of Korans at Gitmo? So one publicity starved "reverand" in Florida pulls off a stunt. In America most of us would condemn that kind of intolerance and disrespect but understand that the First Amendment protects it. In Afghanistan we have suicide bombers, murders and beheadings of totally innocent people.

 

[icebadger]

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Some [insert nationality/religion here]'s are crazy!

 

[mookie1995]

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my buddhist mother in law is bat chit crazy!

 

[Wol4ine]

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President Hamid Karzai expressed regret for the 20 protest deaths, but he also further stoked possible anti-foreign sentiment by again demanding that the United States and United Nations bring to justice the pastor of the Dove Outreach Center in Gainesville, Florida, where the Quran was burned March 20.

It's hard to beleive that Muslims and Christians will ever get along when you read something like this.

 

[XYZ]

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Maybe we should just pull out all our troops, give all Westerners 48 hours to get out, and then start burning thousands of Korans. It would certainly be cheaper than what we've been doing.

 

[Patman]

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You know... i find it funny that anybody would blame the whacked out preacher in the role of the resulting deaths, etc... people in afghanistan wouldn't know about this if the press just ignored it... so under that logic, if the preacher is complicit than so is the press... unless the press wants to make the claim that they are like muslims in that they can't help themselves. Would be sort of a sad moment for our society....

Some guy doing a weird backyard book-b-q isn't news if all he's burning is the manual to a 1974 Dodge Dart... heck, he might even be considered a humanitarian. Why is it news if its a Koran instead of the aforementioned Dart manual?

 

[Old Pio]

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You know... i find it funny that anybody would blame the whacked out preacher in the role of the resulting deaths, etc... people in afghanistan wouldn't know about this if the press just ignored it... so under that logic, if the preacher is complicit than so is the press... unless the press wants to make the claim that they are like muslims in that they can't help themselves. Would be sort of a sad moment for our society....

Some guy doing a weird backyard book-b-q isn't news if all he's burning is the manual to a 1974 Dodge Dart... heck, he might even be considered a humanitarian. Why is it news if its a Koran instead of the aforementioned Dart manual?

The various press accounts I've read have said something along the lines of: "the minister takes no responsibility. . .." I don't know or care if he's sincere or not, he's not responsible for the slaughter of innocents half a world away. We've gotten away from blaming rape victims because of how they're dressed. We've had a couple of decades of whacked out muslims putting fatwahs on authors, cartoonists, film makers, etc for allegedly showing disrespect to their "prophet." Yale is publishing (or has published) a book about the Muhammad cartoons, but will not include the cartoons themselves in the volumne. Not exactly John Peter Zenger. Why we've even had a Major in the United States Army, a psychiatrist for cripes sake, go bat chit and murder 13 people on an Army base. What did they do to bring that on? And what could they have done to prevent it? To me, it's up to the vast majority of American Muslims to categorically and unabiguously denounce these animals. As a defense against those who would accuse them of supporting these murderers, if nothing else.

 

[Almington]

Some guy doing a weird backyard book-b-q isn't news if all he's burning is the manual to a 1974 Dodge Dart... heck, he might even be considered a humanitarian. Why is it news if its a Koran instead of the aforementioned Dart manual?

Intent matters, it is everything in this case. Homeless man burns a copy to keep warm isn't news (at least in the us). The preacher did it to directly disrespect Muslims and what they believe in.

It's also not fair to put any of this on the press, they were just reporting what happened. It also isn't karzi's fault for mentioning it. In both cases better judgement about what is newsworthy, but they were just responding to the action of another person. P

 

[Old Pio]

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Intent matters, it is everything in this case. Homeless man burns a copy to keep warm isn't news (at least in the us). The preacher did it to directly disrespect Muslims and what they believe in.

It's also not fair to put any of this on the press, they were just reporting what happened. It also isn't karzi's fault for mentioning it. In both cases better judgement about what is newsworthy, but they were just responding to the action of another person. P

I wouldn't want to put myself in the mind of this "preacher," but I'd imagine his goal in part, was to show some Muslims are mindless savages. Mission accomplished.

 

[Almington]

I wouldn't want to put myself in the mind of this "preacher," but I'd imagine his goal in part, was to show some Muslims are mindless savages. Mission accomplished.

I don't know his motivation either.

I do agree with you that it is dependent on the majority to speak out against extreme acts of the minority. Failure to do so results in, at the very least, that the majority condones the actions of the minority.

 

[bigmrg74]

Intent matters, it is everything in this case. Homeless man burns a copy to keep warm isn't news (at least in the us). The preacher did it to directly disrespect Muslims and what they believe in.

It's also not fair to put any of this on the press, they were just reporting what happened. It also isn't karzi's fault for mentioning it. In both cases better judgement about what is newsworthy, but they were just responding to the action of another person. P

I don't think the press was there. He just put it up on the the Internet and somebody else ran with it.

 

[Patman]

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Intent matters, it is everything in this case. Homeless man burns a copy to keep warm isn't news (at least in the us). The preacher did it to directly disrespect Muslims and what they believe in.

It's also not fair to put any of this on the press, they were just reporting what happened. It also isn't karzi's fault for mentioning it. In both cases better judgement about what is newsworthy, but they were just responding to the action of another person. P

The hell intent matters... both instances are considered very bad in Islam... just one won't make the news... which returns to the original point... is that if this doesn't enter the news then nothing happens.

That being said, intent matters not one bit... Afghani Muslims are their own persons and are not machines or animals and shall be treated as neither. Maybe some people consider the rest of the world to be reactionary meat machines... I'd rather hold people to their own actions and not cede to Islam's claim to the sanctity of their holy texts.

edit: i'll retract slightly... intent would only matter if the pastor was intending to induce death of westerners and that was what he wanted... on the other hand, if the intent was only to enrage muslims in and of itself then tough ****... maybe these people (Afghani muslims) should grow up.... *******s a half world away shouldn't give a hecklers veto to those in a free society

 

[Farce Poobah]

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To me, it's up to the vast majority of American Muslims to categorically and unabiguously denounce these animals. As a defense against those who would accuse them of supporting these murderers, if nothing else.

Well said.

I live in a state with a Muslim congressman. I will be hoping he takes a stand for freedom and American values, and against the ruthless murders in Afghanistan. Stay tuned.

 

[Wol4ine]

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It also isn't karzi's fault for mentioning it. In both cases better judgement about what is newsworthy, but they were just responding to the action of another person. P

President Hamid Karzai expressed regret for the 20 protest deaths, but he also further stoked possible anti-foreign sentiment by again demanding that the United States and United Nations bring to justice the pastor of the Dove Outreach Center in Gainesville, Florida, where the Quran was burned March 20.

You weren't struck by the enormous gap in culture? Karzai regrets the 20 deaths (we call it murder here in the US), but wants the US and UN to bring the Koran burner "to justice"!!!

 

[Almington]

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You weren't struck by the enormous gap in culture? Karzai regrets the 20 deaths (we call it murder here in the US), but wants the US and UN to bring the Koran burner "to justice"!!!

Huge culture gap. But that's my point. These are two different cultures and neither is respecting the values and ideals of the other. Karzai has additional internal political concerns that complicate his position. The pastor has no such concerns and blatantly disrespected another culture. A culture that has a history of reacting violently to disrespect (rightly or wrongly), I don't think that this was an unforeseeable result to his action.

Until BOTH sides recognize that the other culture is both valid and rich, conflict and disagreements are inevitable. I'm not advocating capitulating to the Islamic (or any other) culture, I'm simply stating my belief that taking actions that intentionally aggravate and inflame relations is not the path to open diplomacy and understanding.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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Until BOTH sides recognize that the other culture is both valid and rich, conflict and disagreements are inevitable.

Human nature is what it is. There will ALWAYS be war and conflict.

 

[bigmrg74]

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Huge culture gap. But that's my point. These are two different cultures and neither is respecting the values and ideals of the other. Karzai has additional internal political concerns that complicate his position. The pastor has no such concerns and blatantly disrespected another culture. A culture that has a history of reacting violently to disrespect (rightly or wrongly), I don't think that this was an unforeseeable result to his action.

Until BOTH sides recognize that the other culture is both valid and rich, conflict and disagreements are inevitable. I'm not advocating capitulating to the Islamic (or any other) culture, I'm simply stating my belief that taking actions that intentionally aggravate and inflame relations is not the path to open diplomacy and understanding.

Things in this world would go a lot better if somebody upstairs tossed out a few well aimed Smiting Thunderbolts of Pain every so often.

 

[The Rube]

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Um, I see it as this preacher disagrees with Islam religion, and burned that religion's holy book. Just like how certain other nations hate the US and burn our flag, or how fundamentalist Christians burn books they deem obscene.

The origins of each of these instances are the same: you don't agree with us, we're showing our disapproval by burning something that is important to you. The only difference is whether it's a religion, a country, or art.

And in all cases, it will bring forth a response. The Muslim's response in this case is way out of line and should be dealt with.

 

[Old Pio]

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Human nature is what it is. There will ALWAYS be war and conflict.

Perhaps so. But that's not what this is. This is Muslim savages murdering 20 (at last count) random innocent people because some dude half a world away did something to ruffle their feathers. I believe in respecting religiious expression, but if this is a bona fide expression of their religion, then the sooner we rid the world of this pestilence, the better. And it's the kind of thing we in the west just explain away because we don't want to hurt their friggin' feelings. Well, I don't give a rat's patoot about their freakin' feelings. People who behave this way have no right to expect anyone anywhere to respect their culture or their religion. Why are we so reluctant to call a spade a spade? Why? Fear?

 

[Patman]

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Huge culture gap. But that's my point. These are two different cultures and neither is respecting the values and ideals of the other. Karzai has additional internal political concerns that complicate his position. The pastor has no such concerns and blatantly disrespected another culture. A culture that has a history of reacting violently to disrespect (rightly or wrongly), I don't think that this was an unforeseeable result to his action.

Until BOTH sides recognize that the other culture is both valid and rich, conflict and disagreements are inevitable. I'm not advocating capitulating to the Islamic (or any other) culture, I'm simply stating my belief that taking actions that intentionally aggravate and inflame relations is not the path to open diplomacy and understanding.

Certain cultural values shouldn't be valued nor respected. This is nearing towards a valueless society for fear of committing offense. If you believe in nothing, great... but don't advocate this on the rest of us.

Actually, I'm having a hard time believing what you wrote... its incredibly boilerplate and seeks to avoid cultural aspects of either society... please tell me what is to be gained by "recognize that the other culture is both valid and rich"... so, if we all love each other in some wide-eyed nonsensical way the world will be in peace or other ridiculousness... if we all just have a coke and smile. The power of idealized ignorance is strong here.

If we could all just be hunky-dory and diplomatic... how about you recognize that murdering humans as a reaction to the burning of a pile of papers smaller than 3 slices of bread is not just a cultural reaction but rather is something incongruous with human society. Maybe if we'll all hug it out things will be better... but this pastor is still not to blame for the murders of 20 people... people are responsible for themselves... and Afghani muslims are responsible for themselves.