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Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

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LynahFan said:
And it's ridiculous in all cases. Want to protect your business? How about providing a good product and good service at competitive prices? Don't go running to the power of the nanny State to make your competition ILLEGAL. If the buggy whip manufacturers' association had been so successful at lobbying, we might all still be shoveling horse poop.
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Exactly. This "National Automobile Dealers Association" is a group of corporate lawyers lobbying for protectionist policies, kind of like the UAW. It's not Tesla that these guys are scared of (because how many Americans honestly have at least 60 grand lying around to blow on an electric car?), it's their delivery model that treats dealerships as unnecessary, costly middlemen.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Exactly. This "National Automobile Dealers Association" is a group of corporate lawyers lobbying for protectionist policies, kind of like the UAW. It's not Tesla that these guys are scared of (because how many Americans honestly have at least 60 grand lying around to blow on an electric car?), it's their delivery model that treats dealerships as unnecessary, costly middlemen.
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Yeah, they're worried that Ford, GM, or Chrysler might look at Tesla's model and think, "hey - why can't *we* open our own showrooms..."
 
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joecct said:
A lot of states have the same prohibition. The dealers themselves have a trade association in the state and want to protect their business. Heck, Louisiana had a law for years that said only funeral parlors could sell caskets. A monestary of monks sued because that infringed on their casket making business. They won.

Here in Maryland Tesla can't have a showroom either. They sell their cars at a shopping mall and you have to go elsewhere for a test drive and service.
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One reason I had heard is that dealer franchises had to pay a large initial amount to the car company to get their franchise, so having the company open its own dealership right near door would basically screw them over. But then that should only apply to existing companies with dealership franchises; if I wanted to start my own company and never asked for franchisees to pay me for their turf, I should be able to open my own dealerships.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Huh? I thought Republicans liked competition...
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Republicans today are no different from Democrats. They both are fascists wanting absolute power.

LynahFan said:
And it's ridiculous in all cases. Want to protect your business? How about providing a good product and good service at competitive prices? Don't go running to the power of the nanny State to make your competition ILLEGAL. If the buggy whip manufacturers' association had been so successful at lobbying, we might all still be shoveling horse poop.
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That makes way too much sense.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Republicans today are no different from Democrats. They both are fascists wanting absolute power.
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I think that is a cop-out, Flag, which just allows us to do less. We all become cynics eventually and are tempted to toss all politicians into the scrap heap (and I realize you just named Dems and Repubs) under one label, but there are degrees of good and bad in Washington, and we just have to study the issues, discuss them, and pester our representatives about policies, not labels, parties, and personalities.

All platitudes, I know, but just tossing our hands up in disgust is tempting but useless as well.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Republicans today are no different from Democrats. They both are fascists wanting absolute power.
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Credit where it's due -- when you do false equivalence you don't screw around. :)

This is absurd. Neither party wants absolute power. Neither party is fascist (now -- the 00's GOP was as close as the US has ever gotten). There are significant differences, which mostly boil down to the distinction between positive and negative liberty.
 
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And Michigan wonders why it's such a piece of **** state in dire economic straits.

Michgan: we hate progress. And money.
 
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Gurtholfin said:
And this is why we (should) wait for all of the facts...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/10/22/report-autopsy-analysis-shows-michael-brown-may-have-gone-for-darren-wilsons-gun/


If this is true, the eyewitnesses lied.

No way! :rolleyes:
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Dorian Johnson has lied by the clock since day one on a key point. The notion that Wilson was trying to "pull Brown into the police car" is nonsense. No cop would ever do that. And if Johnson is lying about that, what else is he lying about? And if you were living in that neighborhood and saw these events differently from what Malick Shabazz (among others) says happened, how likely would you be to go public with your observations?

Too many race hustlers have gone all in on this one and I fear the potential for serious violence should Wilson not be indicted.
 
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