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Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

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French Rage said:
It's like when a TV station plays Blazing Saddles and they blank out the n-word. The whole point is portraying the initial racism of the characters as small-minded.
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That's the exact same situation with Dire Strait's Money For Nothing being banned on Canadian radio last year. When using the line, "Look at the faggot, that's the way you do it...," it's a line given by one of the warehouse workers who are completely ignorant of the work put into writing and producing the music, and they're also simply jealous of the band. What happens in Canada? They claim it's song threatening to GLBT people.
 
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Sometimes the censorship of references to racism in works of art is driven by the racists who are being made fun of. The classic example is banning Huck Finn from school libraries, ostensibly because of the N word, but actually because the kind of people who use the N word are enraged they are being mocked.

That's not the case in 30's cartoons, though. Those are just straight up racist. They shouldn't be censored at all -- they should stand as time capsules to show the kind of garbage that used to pass. Same goes for sexist and homophobic works. The best way to fight bigots is just let them speak.
 
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Kepler said:
Sometimes the censorship of references to racism in works of art is driven by the racists who are being made fun of. The classic example is banning Huck Finn from school libraries, ostensibly because of the N word, but actually because the kind of people who use the N word are enraged they are being mocked.

That's not the case in 30's cartoons, though. Those are just straight up racist. They shouldn't be censored at all -- they should stand as time capsules to show the kind of garbage that used to pass. Same goes for sexist and homophobic works. The best way to fight bigots is just let them speak.
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The First Family - The Economy Lunch
 
Kepler said:
Which reminds me. Why isn't Bugs Bunny on Netflix or AppleTV? Is it just some contract p1ssing contest? I notice the Charlie Brown specials are finally all on it ("The Great Pumpkin" is, to this day, the most subversive thing that has ever been on American television.) I want my **** Bugs, ****it.
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I can't find the exact article, but I believe Turner Broadcasting owns the rights to the old Warner Brothers collection in the US (possibly worldwide too). They also own the rights to Hanna Barbera, and others.

There are LOTS of articles out there of Turner editing classic cartoons to remove racist imagery and other "non-'kid friendly'" items.


... tl;dr: Blame US broadcasting rights holders for the lack of classic cartoons on streaming devices.
 
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joecct said:
Wonder what they're thinking in Rock Ridge?
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They're thinking it's "authentic frontier gibberish." The faux piety of providing disclaimers on 75 year old cartoons is astonishing. But hardly surprising. Of course there are occasionally images and attitudes that wouldn't pass muster today. What of it? Is TCM supposed to pre-censor its library to protect itself from hyper vigilant twits? Editing the great Warner Brothers cartoons to remove the explosions or blows to the head makes no sense, and is simply wrong. Hattie McDaniel won an Oscar for her performance in Gone With the Wind (and gave perhaps the most heart warming acceptance speech in Oscar history). Does that performance require a disclaimer? In an earlier day, when the 3 Stooges shorts were a staple of local afternoon TV from coast to coast, there were "social critics" worried that kids would copy what they saw Moe doing to Curly and Larry. Which would result in an avalanche of injuries. Of course it didn't happen. Kids understand what's real and what's not. The idea that the comic violence of the Stooges or the occasional dated racial reference in classic cartoons is going to turn kids into psychopaths or bigots is beyond ludicrous. It's only adults who would worry about such nonsense. This urge to ostentatiously judge the past by our own presumably superior standards, is a dreadful bore.
 
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aparch said:
I can't find the exact article, but I believe Turner Broadcasting owns the rights to the old Warner Brothers collection in the US (possibly worldwide too). They also own the rights to Hanna Barbera, and others.

There are LOTS of articles out there of Turner editing classic cartoons to remove racist imagery and other "non-'kid friendly'" items.




... tl;dr: Blame US broadcasting rights holders for the lack of classic cartoons on streaming devices.
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You'll recall that idiot Turner was responsible, briefly, for the effort to "colorize" classic films. An effort which ended in richly deserved failure. Who, besides a 5 year old, wants to see Edmund Gwenn in a colorized version of Miracle on 34th Street?
 
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Kepler said:
Sometimes the censorship of references to racism in works of art is driven by the racists who are being made fun of. The classic example is banning Huck Finn from school libraries, ostensibly because of the N word, but actually because the kind of people who use the N word are enraged they are being mocked.

That's not the case in 30's cartoons, though. Those are just straight up racist. They shouldn't be censored at all -- they should stand as time capsules to show the kind of garbage that used to pass. Same goes for sexist and homophobic works. The best way to fight bigots is just let them speak.
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You're just wrong. Totally wrong, about who occasionally protests the language used in Huck Finn. It is African Americans who because of the toxicity of the N-word are simply unable to see past its use to the central truth that Jim is the only honorable, decent adult Huck encounters. Black Harvard literature professor Jocelyn Chadwick makes it her business to douse these occasional outbreaks of reactionary ignorance. She comes into town like a sheriff, explaining that the use of the word was accurate to the period and place. And besides, Jim was a noble person. To be admired and respected. Your attempt to turn this situation on its head is just wishful thinking. And a product of your own prejudices.

Your imaginary white racist censors and the very real black ones are both wrong here.
 
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French Rage said:
It's like when a TV station plays Blazing Saddles and they blank out the n-word. The whole point is portraying the initial racism of the characters as small-minded.
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Brooks says he couldn't make the film today. If true, a sad commentary on our presumably enlightened era.

"Pardon me while I whip this out."
 
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Old Pio said:
Brooks says he couldn't make the film today. If true, a sad commentary on our presumably enlightened era.

"Pardon me while I whip this out."
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He couldn't. Heck, the only reason South Park (modeled after All In The Family for humor) is allowed is because it's animated. A live show like that would NEVER pass the censors.

Edit: Yes, I know cable isn't regulated by the FCC. Yet.
 
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SteveP said:
You're way off on that prediction. :rolleyes:
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Of course lets ignore that some drugs are targeted to different races due to various prevelances of certain varietals of biochemistry. Of course, I saw one stupid white girl in a college newspaper call that racist (this was at UConn).

Another, of course, is that you can be black hispanic... usually descendants of slaves brought to the carribean... white hispanic... usually descendants of europeans... or even 'native' as such. Our government views hispanic as an ethnicity which itself is not tied to race... mainly because of these complicating factors.

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Most groups go through various amounts of supremacism and chauvinism.
 
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All I know is that I'm native American. Irish/Norwegian heritage. But native American. Suck on it, terminology and friggin' PC f*ers.
 
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Patman said:
Of course lets ignore that some drugs are targeted to different races due to various prevelances of certain varietals of biochemistry. Of course, I saw one stupid white girl in a college newspaper call that racist (this was at UConn).

Another, of course, is that you can be black hispanic... usually descendants of slaves brought to the carribean... white hispanic... usually descendants of europeans... or even 'native' as such. Our government views hispanic as an ethnicity which itself is not tied to race... mainly because of these complicating factors.

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Most groups go through various amounts of supremacism and chauvinism.
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During my time in Houston I learned of "huffing" and that it was almost entirely a problem for Latinos. Huge damage to their brains. There was even a product sold at bodegas called Texas Shine which had no purpose except to deliver toluene to "huffers." Please recall the NYT pronounced George Zimmerman a "white Hispanic."
 
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Edit: Yes, I know cable isn't regulated by the FCC. Yet.
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It won't be. Networks are only regulated because airwaves are public and come into the home without needing to subscribe to anything. Cable you have to pay for or steal to enter your home. SCOTUS won't allow governmental restrictions on the latter.
 
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unofan said:
It won't be. Networks are only regulated because airwaves are public and come into the home without needing to subscribe to anything. Cable you have to pay for or steal to enter your home. SCOTUS won't allow governmental restrictions on the latter.
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How about the internet?
 
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unofan said:
It won't be. Networks are only regulated because airwaves are public and come into the home without needing to subscribe to anything. Cable you have to pay for or steal to enter your home. SCOTUS won't allow governmental restrictions on the latter.
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Some of these cable shows are really pushing the envelope when it comes to language, sex, and violence (I don't mind, btw) and I bet in a couple years enough people will be pushing for regulation, subscription based or not.
 
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Some of these cable shows are really pushing the envelope when it comes to language, sex, and violence (I don't mind, btw) and I bet in a couple years enough people will be pushing for regulation, subscription based or not.
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And SCOTUS will say, "1st Amendment. You don't like it, cut the cord. Tough nooggies."
 
joecct said:
How about the internet?
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The tech side can and should be regulated just like phones. the content side won't be regulated,* also just like phones

* With exceptions for criminal content like child porn or specific threats, but that's true outside of the internet context, too.
 
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unofan said:
And SCOTUS will say, "1st Amendment. You don't like it, cut the cord. Tough nooggies."
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I hope so, but the same argument could have been made about over-the-air transmission. "You don't like it, turn your set off." Brains switch off when the usual start wailing WONTSOMEONETHINKOFTHECHOLDREN???!!!
 
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