Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

[dxmnkd316]

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Yeah but if you look at the images I think he fired all six in very quick succession with a rising hand. The first was down low and the last was in the head.

 

[SteveP]

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lulz.

I just did a Google News search for "darren wilson orbital" and the top three sources? Breitbart, NY Post, Examiner, and Newsmax.

Now you can add FNC to the list of media outlets that don't fit the narrative that Wilson is a stone killer.

And where is the media outrage over the biased statement issued last night by Gov. Nixon? {chirp, chirp, chirp}

According to the well-placed source, Wilson was coming off another case in the neighborhood on Aug. 9 when he ordered Michael Brown and his friend Dorain Johnson to stop walking in the middle of the road because they were obstructing traffic. However, the confrontation quickly escalated into physical violence, the source said..

“They ignored him and the officer started to get out of the car to tell them to move," the source said. "They shoved him right back in, that’s when Michael Brown leans in and starts beating Officer Wilson in the head and the face.

 

[trixR4kids]

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Not necessarily. We already know he was shot while facing the officer, and I doubt it was from 35 feet away and was most likely at close range.

Well the one graze wound to the arm may have been from the front or back, they're not really sure. As far as the distance, it could have been close range but given where the body was located I have no idea how it would've been. Not sure how they could've fought in the cruiser and yet his dead body was 30 something feet from the nearest vehicle.

 

[Slap Shot]

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Fighters move.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

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Not necessarily. We already know he was shot while facing the officer, and I doubt it was from 35 feet away and was most likely at close range.

I thought I had heard that one of the autopsy findings was a lack of gunpowder on Brown's body, which would've indicated that he wasn't terribly close to the officer. Not sure how reliable that statement is, but FWIW.

 

[Slap Shot]

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I thought I had heard that one of the autopsy findings was a lack of gunpowder on Brown's body, which would've indicated that he wasn't terribly close to the officer. Not sure how reliable that statement is, but FWIW.

Could very well be true, but the distance between any vehicle and where he fell isn't an indictment of anything without additional evidence. It just seems like some people are trying real hard to prove an assumption by any means necessary.

 

[St. Clown]

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I thought I had heard that one of the autopsy findings was a lack of gunpowder on Brown's body, which would've indicated that he wasn't terribly close to the officer. Not sure how reliable that statement is, but FWIW.

How far does gun powder travel from the barrel of a Glock 9mm pistol? I would think that it's only a handful of feet given that it's a powder dispersing into the air. Assuming that's the case (yeah, I know), Brown and Wilson could have still been in relatively close proximity to each other rather than the claimed 35ft that some have put forward.

 

[trixR4kids]

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I thought I had heard that one of the autopsy findings was a lack of gunpowder on Brown's body, which would've indicated that he wasn't terribly close to the officer. Not sure how reliable that statement is, but FWIW.

Long range in an autopsy report isn't long range in the conventional sense of the term. I remember taking that away from the Trayvon case.

Fighters move.

Well either that or the officer did.

 

[SteveP]

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I thought I had heard that one of the autopsy findings was a lack of gunpowder on Brown's body, which would've indicated that he wasn't terribly close to the officer. Not sure how reliable that statement is, but FWIW.

Gun shot residue would likely be on Brown's clothing, not on the body. Dr. Baden didn't have access to the clothing.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

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Gun shot residue would likely be on Brown's clothing, not on the body. Dr. Baden didn't have access to the clothing.

Good to note. (Although maybe on the face? I don't know)

I'd have to imagine that the trajectories of the bullets through his body would've told a better (if still incomplete) story.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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Just texted cop/swat buddy and he says that 35 feet wouldn't be a difficult shot for a trained cop reminding me that I hit the target pretty easily and am a novice.

 

[Old Pio]

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Absolutely agree.

I heard a show called "Make it Plain" with Mark Thompson last night, it seems to be a sort of lefty equivalent to Rush, and he'd just come back from Ferguson. He was not letting the local community off the hook. What he said, basically, was whenever he goes to cover a protest like this the same couple dozen faces keep magically appearing in the crowd, and they are usually the ones who are disrupting the crowd and trying to draw it in other directions than the protest at hand. He called them "anarchists" and mentioned Seattle, but he also seemed to be talking about primarily African American protests and I may be wrong but I don't think there are a lot of black anarchists.

His point was that in a small community like Ferguson it ought to be very clear who is from the area and who is from out of town. They can't know whether those "usual suspects" are genuine advocates of some agenda or agent provocatuers, but they can know they're outsiders. Thompson essentially said local community leaders should question those folks, find out who they are and why they're there, ask them to cool it, and if met with hostility coordinate with whatever law enforcement is there to keep an eye on them. I was very surprised by this, if only because I don't expect partisan shows like that to come up with reasonable solutions.

His opinion was that there will always be a handful of locals who are out of control or looking for attention, but that the lion's share of the serious trouble that happens during these protests comes from the same people who travel from incident to incident and do that thing they do.

Except that Ferguson is not some jerkwater stand alone town in the boonies. It is a small part of a much largermetropolitan area. Again, complicating matters for these presumptive community leaders. However, I do recall seeing pictures of "Muslim Rage Boy" at multiple demonstrations. My guess is the vast majority of Fergusonians, regardless of where they stand on the shooting, are anxious for the circus to leave town.

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=muslim+rage+boy&qpvt=muslim+rage+boy&FORM=IGRE

 

[FreshFish]

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Just texted cop/swat buddy and he says that 35 feet wouldn't be a difficult shot for a trained cop reminding me that I hit the target pretty easily and am a novice.

hard to imagine that Officer Wilson was in fear of imminent danger to his life if Mr. Brown was 35 feet away. More likely to my mind is that either the officer was out of the car when the shooting occurred, or they moved the car after the shooting before the filming started.

 

[cF[Authentic]]

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How far does gun powder travel from the barrel of a Glock 9mm pistol? I would think that it's only a handful of feet given that it's a powder dispersing into the air. Assuming that's the case (yeah, I know), Brown and Wilson could have still been in relatively close proximity to each other rather than the claimed 35ft that some have put forward.

From previous cases, gun powder residue has been found from about two feet away at a maximum. So they literally could have been three feet from each other and no residue but still definitely close enough to fear for your life.

 

[Old Pio]

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Of course, if you asked a cable news network (or certain posters here), that would actually depend on whether the person who asked for the officer's name was (a) a perfect little angel with a halo around his head or (b) a "thug" with no respect for authority and pictures of himself on instagram making "gang sings".

Whatever are you talking about, Bunkie? While that cop exhibited extremely unprofessional conduct, we should remind ourselves that there have been no deaths or serious injuries at the hands of the various agencies patrolling the streets for the past ten days.

 

[Old Pio]

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Could very well be true, but the distance between any vehicle and where he fell isn't an indictment of anything without additional evidence. It just seems like some people are trying real hard to prove an assumption by any means necessary.

You mean like throwing that clerk around wasn't part of a strong arm robbery? Putting your hands around someone's neck is a unique Ferguson expression of friendship and respect.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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You mean like throwing that clerk around wasn't part of a strong arm robbery? Putting your hands around someone's neck is a unique Ferguson expression of friendship and respect.

Isn't that irrelevant to the shooting since it's been reported that the cop didn't know about the incident at the store?

 

[Slap Shot]

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fwiw of course:

Eyewitness accounts

As a friend of Wilson told KFTK’s Dana Loesch, Brown had assaulted Wilson and struggled for the police officer’s gun, and after having fled, Brown “froze” and turned around to “bumrush” Wilson. That is when the fatal shots supposedly occurred, including one to the apex of Brown’s head.

There appears to be no double-sourcing on the report at this time; but if true, it provides further information as to the severity of Wilson’s head injuries, as reported earlier by KMOV and CNN. Wilson was treated for a head injury by medical professionals.

Another witness, Piaget Crenshaw, told CNN regarding a video she captured shortly after the Brown shooting that there had been a “tussle” at Wilson’s police vehicle.

As reported earlier on IJReview, due to a story broken by Conservative Treehouse, a different witness at the scene of the shooting of Michael Brown suggests that the 6’4″ 292 pound Brown had turned to the police officer and “kept coming towards him” when he was shot.

 

[Old Pio]

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Isn't that irrelevant to the shooting since it's been reported that the cop didn't know about the incident at the store?

In a strictly legal sense, yes (unless those reports that Wilson learned of the robbery after the stop and backed his cruiser up to take a closer look at two dudes who matched the descriptions). But as a "prior bad act," it sheds some light on the character of this person. Why else would Brown's defenders here spend so much time and effort trying to mitigate the impact of those images? Bizarre theories about shoes and ID cards. I should think if it wasn't Brown in the video his family would have made that claim. Instead, they've talked about character assassination.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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In a strictly legal sense, yes (unless those reports that Wilson learned of the robbery after the stop and backed his cruiser up to take a closer look at two dudes who matched the descriptions). But as a "prior bad act," it sheds some light on the character of this person. Why else would Brown's defenders here spend so much time and effort trying to mitigate the impact of those images? Bizarre theories about shoes and ID cards. I should think if it wasn't Brown in the video his family would have made that claim. Instead, they've talked about character assassination.

I agree with that.

I just don't need the character part to make me believe that it's doubtful that a cop would execute someone in broad daylight from 35 feet with potential witnesses present. Maybe that happened, but it seems awfully unlikely.

Then again, I don't have a knee-jerk bias against cops or authority.


Gotta think there was more to it. If it turns out that my logical conclusion is off base, then so be it.