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Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

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I heard on the radio yesterday that the person in the convenience store video and brown were wearing different shoes. Anyone else heard this?


I haven't seen the video and don't know what Brown was wearing when he was shot, so grain of salt blah blah blah
 
I heard on the radio yesterday that the person in the convenience store video and brown were wearing different shoes. Anyone else heard this?


I haven't seen the video and don't know what Brown was wearing when he was shot, so grain of salt blah blah blah

http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2014/08/ferguson_police_report_ids_mike_brown_as_primary_suspect_in_strong_arm_robbery.html

The suspect in the video was wearing what appeared to be a gray, or other light-colored, shirt, shorts and distinctive shoes with a red cap. In pictures of Brown’s body, he also appeared to be wearing a light-colored shirt, shorts and unusual shoes. A baseball cap was also at the crime scene, according to the Daily Mail. However, during the press conference, a woman questioned the footwear, observing that the socks and shoes from the video don’t match images of Michael Brown lying in the street.

They asked Chief Jackson at the presser and he said he hadn't noticed and would have to investigate. Good thing observation isn't a key component of police work.
 
Here are the reasons why that is excellent advice.
It's an interesting difference between my wife and I. She likes to watch Cops and shows like that and, when I watch with her, I'm always commenting that the people just need to SierraTangoFoxtrotUniform. My wife, who always sides with the cops, always says "well, the cops treat them better when they're honest." I just think like 90% of the people on those shows could've walked if they shut up and asked for a lawyer (granted 99% of them wouldn't have the intelligence to).

(Interestingly my wife, always siding with cops, is not on the Ferguson PD's side saying "there's a lot wrong with that department)
 
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You are correct and I never made that connection before. Very nice.

Pat Hingle played the judge, schmarty pantz. Ed Begley played Captain Wilson who strung up Eastwood then wound up stringing himself up.

As to 12 Angry Men, I've always identified with Edward Binns (juror #6) who stood up for the old man.

"What are you talkin' to him like that for? Guy talks like that to an old man really oughta get stepped on, you know. You oughta have more respect, mister. If you say stuff like that to him again... I'm gonna lay you out."
 
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First of all, I'm not braying about "racist cops", I'm asking for FPD to step up with their side of the story. They haven't offered it, which is unique when you consider that in these types of events, there's usually at minimum a Police incident report available at this point. That the FPD has otherwise handled itself so poorly to the effect that they were relieved of their duties this week, and that they were detaining journalists makes it hard to have faith that there isn't anything odd about this.

Second of all, the officer's presumption of innocence is ultimately tied to his side of the story (that we aren't hearing). We know what he did, insofar as Michael Brown is dead. So let's hear why it happened.

Thirdly, the "narrative" you keep mentioning isn't terribly relevant to why this kid is dead. The "narrative" is just some bull**** you see on cable news networks that Sean Hannity and Nancy Grace get to blather on about like the soulless hacks that they are. If that's what you want to get upset about, you might as well go outside and shout at the sky. The modern media doesn't matter enough to get so up in arms over what stories they're telling. It's our ability to sift through their sensationalist nonsense that has more value.

All that said: Yes, if Brown was a bullying jerk, it's going to make it less surprising if the FPD's version of the story is that Brown attacked an officer. Yes, the eyewitness accounts are flat out odd in some respects, but we aren't waiting for those stories to come out right now are we? I know I'm not too concerned over some BS claim that the officer tried to pull the kid into his squad car. I just want to know, from FPD, what happened.

The first headline on the CNN website referred to a "college student" who had been gunned down by cops. The media and the left (always looking for a racial cause celebre) put Brown's character front and center, repeatedly, in the reporting of this incident. "Gentle giant," "starting college this week," "Good kid," ad nauseam. Now if we can agree that none of that relates directly to the incident in which he lost his life, perhaps we can agree to retract all the nonsense implying this kid was descended directly from Ralph Bunche. Now there are questions about his character. And the dead enders are focusing on shoes. As a famous citizen once said: "I wouldn't own a pair of those ugly a*s shoes."

And it surely wasn't conservative commentators pushing the narrative about what a quality kid Brown was. Although it is interesting to note you've stopped taking your meds for Hannity Derangement Syndrome. Like so many of your tribe, you're evidently unable to express yourself without some reference to Fox or suggestion that anyone who disagrees with you is a racist.
 
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The first headline on the CNN website referred to a "college student" who had been gunned down by cops. The media and the left (always looking for a racial cause celebre) put Brown's character front and center, repeatedly, in the reporting of this incident. "Gentle giant," "starting college this week," "Good kid," ad nauseam. Now if we can agree that none of that relates directly to the incident in which he lost his life, perhaps we can agree to retract all the nonsense implying this kid was descended directly from Ralph Bunche. Now there are questions about his character. And the dead enders are focusing on shoes. As a famous citizen once said: "I wouldn't own a pair of those ugly a*s shoes."
Okay. I really don't care.

And it surely wasn't conservative commentators pushing the narrative about what a quality kid Brown was.
I really don't care, but if it helps you get through the night: You're right.

They're pushing a different, equally pointless and irrelevant (and often abhorrent) narrative that he was a thug that had it coming, even without a story from the FPD. Just as useless of a perspective to take in this scenario.

Although it is interesting to note you've stopped taking your meds for Hannity Derangement Syndrome. Like so many of your tribe, you're evidently unable to express yourself without some reference to Fox or suggestion that anyone who disagrees with you is a racist.
Odd. I never once brought up race. And curious that you single out my mention of "I've never had a problem with cops so I don't see the deal with them" Hannity and ignore that I lumped him in with one of his equally scummy counterparts for the other side.

The modern media and their sensationalist objective isn't worth taking up this much real estate in your brain, OP. You can be better than them, and just not give a **** what their narrative is. It's liberating.
 
The first headline on the CNN website referred to a "college student" who had been gunned down by cops. The media and the left (always looking for a racial cause celebre) put Brown's character front and center, repeatedly, in the reporting of this incident. "Gentle giant," "starting college this week," "Good kid," ad nauseam. Now if we can agree that none of that relates directly to the incident in which he lost his life, perhaps we can agree to retract all the nonsense implying this kid was descended directly from Ralph Bunche. Now there are questions about his character. And the dead enders are focusing on shoes. As a famous citizen once said: "I wouldn't own a pair of those ugly a*s shoes."

And it surely wasn't conservative commentators pushing the narrative about what a quality kid Brown was. Although it is interesting to note you've stopped taking your meds for Hannity Derangement Syndrome. Like so many of your tribe, you're evidently unable to express yourself without some reference to Fox or suggestion that anyone who disagrees with you is a racist.

People are focusing on shoes because the guy in the video (the "thug" as you call him) is wearing sandals and socks that do not match what Mike Brown had on his body when he was killed. A reporter asked about that minutes after the video was made public, and the chief of police, who had this tape for a week, never noticed it. If the guy in the video and the dead guy in the street are wearing different shoes, that means something. Do you understand or do you need someone to spell it out for you?
 
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People are focusing on shoes because the guy in the video (the "thug" as you call him) is wearing sandals and socks that do not match what Mike Brown had on his body when he was killed. A reporter asked about that minutes after the video was made public, and the chief of police, who had this tape for a week, never noticed it. If the guy in the video and the dead guy in the street are wearing different shoes, that means something. Do you understand or do you need someone to spell it out for you?


You figure repeating your silly observations makes it more likely Brown isn't the guy in the video?

"People" aren't focusing on the shoes. You and the rest of the dead enders are.
 
You figure repeating your silly observations makes it more likely Brown isn't the guy in the video?

"People" aren't focusing on the shoes. You and the rest of the dead enders are.

So you're going to tell me he changed shoes between the time he was in the video and the time he was shot dead in the street? But not his shirt, pants or hat...just his shoes and socks. Makes perfect sense.
 
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People are focusing on shoes because the guy in the video (the "thug" as you call him) is wearing sandals and socks that do not match what Mike Brown had on his body when he was killed. A reporter asked about that minutes after the video was made public, and the chief of police, who had this tape for a week, never noticed it. If the guy in the video and the dead guy in the street are wearing different shoes, that means something. Do you understand or do you need someone to spell it out for you?

The attorney for Brown's buddy admitted that it was the both of them in the video.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/attorney...ient-and-michael-brown-in-surveillance-video/

A lawyer for Dorian Johnson, the man who was with Michael Brown when he was shot by a police officer on Saturday by a Ferguson, Missouri police officer, has confirmed that it is his client and Brown in the convenience store surveillance video that shows the two men allegedly stealing cigars and pushing a clerk.
 
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Okay. I really don't care.


I really don't care, but if it helps you get through the night: You're right.

They're pushing a different, equally pointless and irrelevant (and often abhorrent) narrative that he was a thug that had it coming, even without a story from the FPD. Just as useless of a perspective to take in this scenario.


Odd. I never once brought up race. And curious that you single out my mention of "I've never had a problem with cops so I don't see the deal with them" Hannity and ignore that I lumped him in with one of his equally scummy counterparts for the other side.

The modern media and their sensationalist objective isn't worth taking up this much real estate in your brain, OP. You can be better than them, and just not give a **** what their narrative is. It's liberating.

Of course, the media are taking up too much space in my brain. Yet you seem to be unable to post without mentioning Hannity, again. Tell me who's obsessed. You say you haven't brought up race. Okay. Then please tell me what you meant when you said:

"I don't want to go too far down this road with you, OP, but any assumptions about what Brown might have done to provoke this incident say more about the opinion holder than they do about Brown."

Please be specific, and cite who it is who is suggesting Brown got what he deserved, etc. Or are you mind reading again? Sounds like another Fox delusion to me. Why not change channels, take two aspirin and put a cold compress on your fevered brow?
 
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So you're going to tell me he changed shoes between the time he was in the video and the time he was shot dead in the street? But not his shirt, pants or hat...just his shoes and socks. Makes perfect sense.

"Tis but a scratch"
 
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You figure repeating your silly observations makes it more likely Brown isn't the guy in the video?

"People" aren't focusing on the shoes. You and the rest of the dead enders are.

Not sure how it's a dead end when it literally doesn't matter whether he shoplifted, at least as far as whether the shooting was justified or not. Unfortunately there's never going to be a chance to prosecute Brown.

(also to be fair I don't know exactly what you're referring to with "dead enders")
 
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Not sure how it's a dead end when it literally doesn't matter whether he shoplifted, at least as far as whether the shooting was justified or not. Unfortunately there's never going to be a chance to prosecute Brown.

All but the most pig headed who post here get the point. Oink.
 
Not sure how it's a dead end when it literally doesn't matter whether he shoplifted, at least as far as whether the shooting was justified or not. Unfortunately there's never going to be a chance to prosecute Brown.

(also to be fair I don't know exactly what you're referring to with "dead enders")

Jaywalking and shoplifting are death penalty offenses in Missouri. Rick Perry is already working on getting it legalized in Texas.
 
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