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Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
How, exactly? If you shot me a half-dozen plus times, what would that prove? (Other than whether I am bulletproof)
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Since you may have him on ignore...I also believe SteveP has said similar a few times.
Old Pio said:
Cops are trained to shoot until the threat disappears. We learned this during the Amadou Diallo shooting in NY a few years ago where much was made about the fact that the cops shot him multiple times. If they are justified in shooting, they are justified in shooting 'till there is no more threat. This isn't a 50's TV western where the good guy shoots the bad guy in the hand.
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Brenthoven said:
That is the part of the story where I really am completely baffled. If that happened...evidence? Forensics? Where is that stuff. A BULLET IN A CAR. Should be easy to prove or disprove.
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Ditto. Waiting on this one too.


MinnesotaNorthStar said:
It still leads back to the investigation not being complete, IMO. I would rather see them take their time and get it right.
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Absolutely. It's such a shame that both sides exploded like they did. Ferguson PD should have asked for assistance on this a week ago to keep EVERYONE calm.
 
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MinnesotaNorthStar said:
Since you may have him on ignore...I also believe SteveP has said similar a few times.
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Clarification: the Ferguson chief says Brown was not stopped because of the strong arm robbery at the convenience store. He was stopped, as we've previously been told, because he and his buddy were walking down the middle of the street. Watch the video of Brown swatting that clerk aside like a mosquito then intimidating him (it is a guy, BTW) on his way out with the cigars and ask yourself if this is a guy more or less capable of starting some sh*t with a cop. Brown's behavior in that video raises legitimate questions about his subsequent behavior with the cop. Brown was about the size of my great nephew (who BTW will be playing his college football for the Air Force Academy) and probably not as physically fit. But if my great nephew wanted to intimidate, he could easily do it.

http://www.cnn.com/
 
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MinnesotaNorthStar said:
Since you may have him on ignore...I also believe SteveP has said similar a few times.
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Someone is ignoring me? ;)

This should be a must-read.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/08/fighting_cops_is_a_losing_proposition_.html

One of the things you learn early as a cop, especially in high-crime areas where some people have multiple arrests on their records, is that anyone willing to fight you is willing to kill you. That’s because another arrest could mean a prison cell for the rest of this person's life. Here’s the thing: you may not know how desperate he is, but you’d better assume he is extremely dangerous if he tries to get your gun.
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SteveP said:
Someone is ignoring me? ;)

This should be a must-read.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/08/fighting_cops_is_a_losing_proposition_.html
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Gee, a cop automatically believes one of the many versions of events put out by the Ferguson cops and believes the citizen is always guilty. Color me shocked... :rolleyes:

I particularly liked this line:

There are numerous ways to report inappropriate police behavior – ways that can result in the cop’s termination, or worse. Police organizations are very sensitive these days, so complaints are taken seriously. The average citizen has a lot more clout than he may realize.
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That is bullshiat, at least for the vast majority of cases.
 
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unofan said:
Gee, a cop automatically believes one of the many versions of events put out by the Ferguson cops and believes the citizen is always guilty. Color me shocked... :rolleyes:

I particularly liked this line:



That is bullshiat, at least for the vast majority of cases.
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I can't address "vast majority of cases." But I can agree to this extent: when he was chief in Houston, Lee Brown used to complain bitterly about union mandated civilian reviews which allowed fired officers to be reinstated through the back door. As a general rule, these civilians were disinclined to punish a cop. Just as Harris County grand juries are disinclined to indict them. As I posted earlier on this thread, HPD was so out of control in those days citizens (including me) voted down a proposed pay hike.

On the other hand, officers absolutely must anticipate the worst on occasion, otherwise they're dead. There was an incident in Omaha where the first 3rd generation officer in city history Jimmy Wilson, who had a degree from Creighton, was shot and killed by teenagers firing from a van he had pulled over. He took an AK 47 round through the eye. Never got his seatbelt undone. I knew his dad (Jimmy, Sr.) a little because he issued the press ID cards. And I was live on the air from the graveside when his dad threw himself on Jimmy's casket. So don't be so quick to dismiss cops' worries about what will happen when they pull someone over. It doesn't happen often, but it happens enough to justify their concerns.

http://www.odmp.org/officer/875-officer-james-b-wilson-jr
 
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unofan said:
Gee, a cop automatically believes one of the many versions of events put out by the Ferguson cops and believes the citizen is always guilty. Color me shocked... :rolleyes:

I particularly liked this line:



That is bullshiat, at least for the vast majority of cases.
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Did you miss this? Doesn't read like "automatic" to me.

In the Ferguson case, it appears that Brown was stopped by the officer, and a fight ensued. Reports are that Brown was struggling to get the officer’s gun just before the shots rang out. If that’s true it’s not hard to imagine the ultimate outcome.
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SteveP said:
Did you miss this? Doesn't read like "automatic" to me.
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Don't forget, the totally reliable "eyewitness" says the officer was trying to pull a 300 pound 6'4" dude into the car with him. I'm sure you used to do that all the time. Pretty much SOP.
 
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Old Pio said:
Don't forget, the totally reliable "eyewitness" says the officer was trying to pull a 300 pound 6'4" dude into the car with him. I'm sure you used to do that all the time.
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I believe that there is more than one eyewitness. There is the guy who was with him, another witness who was on the news (Tuesday or Wednesday - it might be the same guy that was with him) and another witness, a teenage girl who saw at least part of this and has mostly corroborated details given by the first witness but who has contradicted him on others. She was interviewed yesterday on MSNBC. I don't have links because I am on Kindle but I am sure they are on Google News.
 
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The QuikTrip that was burned down last weekend is now a concert space. There's a band playing music, people are dancing and partying and the news crews have lined up their equipment to light the place up. Bizarre.
 
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Priceless said:
I believe that there is more than one eyewitness. There is the guy who was with him, another witness who was on the news (Tuesday or Wednesday - it might be the same guy that was with him) and another witness, a teenage girl who saw at least part of this and has mostly corroborated details given by the first witness but who has contradicted him on others. She was interviewed yesterday on MSNBC. I don't have links because I am on Kindle but I am sure they are on Google News.
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I'm a little unclear how many of them there are, too. But I repeat, there is zero likelihood an officer, any officer, would try to pull a subject into the car with him. Ever. There might be an occasion in which a subject standing outside the car engages the officer and perhaps assaults him and/or tries to take his gun. But pulling a guy as big as a Bosendorfer through the window into the car with you only makes sense to people who are hip deep in mythology.
 
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trixR4kids said:
It doesn't explain shooting someone in the back who's fleeing.

Also this:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...-county-and-local-police-wear-camera/8tlS5czf
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This business about "shot in the back" is greatly misunderstood. Perhaps another artifact of the early days of TV. Anyway, in a fast moving situation where people are struggling and running and firing shots, it's quite possible someone gets turned around by the time the bullet strikes. It absolutely doesn't automatically mean the person shot was "fleeing"* or the victim of an assassination.

*props for "fleeing." Next time, try to work in "slay."
 
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Old Pio said:
This business about "shot in the back" is greatly misunderstood. Perhaps another artifact of the early days of TV. Anyway, in a fast moving situation where people are struggling and running and firing shots, it's quite possible someone gets turned around by the time the bullet strikes. It absolutely doesn't automatically mean the person shot was "fleeing"* or the victim of an assassination.

*props for "fleeing." Next time, try to work in "slay."
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Two eye witnesses said he got shot in the back while fleeing so...
 
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trixR4kids said:
Two eye witnesses said he got shot in the back while fleeing so...
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You only get credit for "fleeing" once. Just so we're clear, there's no chance these "eyewitnesses" are wrong, or misinterpreting what they saw or just plain lying. There being no pressure on them from the community to repeat the approved narrative. Like how the victim was a "good kid," heading to college this week and blah blah blah. Why don't we wait 'till the investigation (including the post mortem) is complete before we jump to conclusions? But it's so much more fun to take the words of witnesses who may be compromised in one way or another literally, especially if their version of events supports the conclusions to which you have jumped.
 
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Old Pio said:
You only get credit for "fleeing" once. Just so we're clear, there's no chance these "eyewitnesses" are wrong, or misinterpreting what they saw or just plain lying. There being no pressure on them from the community to repeat the approved narrative. Like how the victim was a "good kid," heading to college this week and blah blah blah. Why don't we wait 'till the investigation (including the post mortem) is complete before we jump to conclusions? But it's so much more fun to take the words of witnesses who may be compromised in one way or another literally, especially if their version of events supports the conclusions to which you have jumped.
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And yet you believe every word of the police force that did this: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...erguson-cops-were-caught-in-a-bloody-lie.html

Obviously since she's black she's lying! -old pio
 
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