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Nice Planet XII: It's Cruel to be Kind!

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dxmnkd316 said:
So don't rag on the school, rag on the idiot kids.
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I never was ragging on the school. I was the person saying that a teacher shouldn't necessarily lose their job because the kids may have pulled the ol' switcheroo on him/her.
 
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St. Clown said:
I never was ragging on the school. I was the person saying that a teacher shouldn't necessarily lose their job because the kids may have pulled the ol' switcheroo on him/her.
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Sorry, that wasn't directed at you :o
 
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Jimjamesak said:
You're quick on the uptake for an Arsenal supporter...
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I told you. My fatal flaw is I like Spurs, too. Speaking of which: first leg of the derby is this Sunday 0700 ET.

But then again as an Islander fan I kinda like the Rangers, and in the NCAAs I have been known to root for Harvard.

I'm really bad* at this "hate your rival" thing.


* Exception: f-ck the University of Spoiled Children.
 
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I have no idea where to put this.

So I have a question. My roommate told me that one of our mutual friends was getting tested to see if he was a match for a donor liver for kind of distant friend that he doesn't really hang out with anymore. Let's call the donor guy Rick.

Rick's wife gave birth to a baby boy around 8-10 months ago. She went through an awful ordeal with infections and a whole bunch of scary complications. Rick doesn't know this guy too well. Not that any of us know. But he was still willing to go through the testing and possibly donate part of his liver.

I said that was the dumbest thing I had ever heard. "He's got a family now. A wife and a kid who still hadn't turned 1. What on earth is he thinking? And what does his wife have to say about this? How can she be ok with this?"

My roommate said that he's just a nice guy. I said, no way. He's a moron. You are putting your life at risk when you have a family to protect. I told my roommate that the line that separates nice and idiotic is both narrow and wide depending on where you cross it. Rick is crossing it at possibly its widest point.

I continued to say that it would be 'nice' of me to donate. He's being dumb. I wouldn't donate part of my liver unless one of my close friends was in dire straits. I said I would absolutely donate to my brother and probably his wife since I don't have any family and they will. She seemed upset that I wouldn't be willing to donate unless it was family or one of my closest friends.

Do I belong in this thread or "genuinely nice planet"?
 
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What's the risk of the donor? If it's low, he's a saint. If it's high, he's a saint AND a moron. Go from there.
 
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It's your liver. There are all sorts of potential ways to bleed out. Plus there are the potential complications with general anesthesia.

Parents, would you have done this with an infant?
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
It's your liver. There are all sorts of potential ways to bleed out. Plus there are the potential complications with general anesthesia.

Parents, would you have done this with an infant?
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I dunno if I would. Depends on risk. Honestly.
 
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So, if all goes right, the liver will grow back to its former size after doctors remove the right side of your liver for donation. Of course there are risks associated with having any surgery, and those specific to this surgery. I would likely do it for family, so long as the person isn't a total jerk. With that said, to put yourself through such an ordeal for someone you don't know very well must be some sort of lunacy. It doesn't matter how nice you are, if you're putting your life at risk just to be a "nice guy," you're either trying to truly impress someone else or holding great doubt about yourself and you're trying to purge it.
 
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St. Clown said:
So, if all goes right, the liver will grow back to its former size after doctors remove the right side of your liver for donation. Of course there are risks associated with having any surgery, and those specific to this surgery. I would likely do it for family, so long as the person isn't a total jerk. With that said, to put yourself through such an ordeal for someone you don't know very well must be some sort of lunacy. It doesn't matter how nice you are, if you're putting your life at risk just to be a "nice guy," you're either trying to truly impress someone else or holding great doubt about yourself and you're trying to purge it.
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I'm of a slightly different belief. To safely, for lack of better word, sacrifice yourself to help another, that is awesome. If there's a 90% chance of a safe donation, dam, that makes me believe in humanity. If there is a less chance, I don't think I could do it, ESPECIALLY with a family.
 
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Brenthoven said:
I'm of a slightly different belief. To safely, for lack of better word, sacrifice yourself to help another, that is awesome. If there's a 90% chance of a safe donation, dam, that makes me believe in humanity. If there is a less chance, I don't think I could do it, ESPECIALLY with a family.
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Here's the thing when it comes to making a donation - it's not just a quick hop into the hospital and then you go on with your life. The preparation process is usually drawn out over a few weeks with physicals, discussions with doctors, and then recovery time. The recovery time will be intense in that you'll have medications for pain and perhaps antibiotics, perhaps some concoction of steroids to bolster the regrowth of your liver. It's both physically demanding and time consuming. Add to that, there's the risk to your financial security. It's a much bigger thing to undertake than most people consider on its face.
 
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St. Clown said:
Here's the thing when it comes to making a donation - it's not just a quick hop into the hospital and then you go on with your life. The preparation process is usually drawn out over a few weeks with physicals, discussions with doctors, and then recovery time. The recovery time will be intense in that you'll have medications for pain and perhaps antibiotics, perhaps some concoction of steroids to bolster the regrowth of your liver. It's both physically demanding and time consuming. Add to that, there's the risk to your financial security. It's a much bigger thing to undertake than most people consider on its face.
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I am aware. Both my parents were EMTs, know a couple nurses (including my ex-fiancee)....it's a HUGE process. Lots of big decisions.

EDIT: That's why I set success at 90%. If it were an in and out quick stop....I'd prob lower to 75%.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
I have no idea where to put this.

So I have a question. My roommate told me that one of our mutual friends was getting tested to see if he was a match for a donor liver for kind of distant friend that he doesn't really hang out with anymore. Let's call the donor guy Rick.

Rick's wife gave birth to a baby boy around 8-10 months ago. She went through an awful ordeal with infections and a whole bunch of scary complications. Rick doesn't know this guy too well. Not that any of us know. But he was still willing to go through the testing and possibly donate part of his liver.

I said that was the dumbest thing I had ever heard. "He's got a family now. A wife and a kid who still hadn't turned 1. What on earth is he thinking? And what does his wife have to say about this? How can she be ok with this?"

My roommate said that he's just a nice guy. I said, no way. He's a moron. You are putting your life at risk when you have a family to protect. I told my roommate that the line that separates nice and idiotic is both narrow and wide depending on where you cross it. Rick is crossing it at possibly its widest point.

I continued to say that it would be 'nice' of me to donate. He's being dumb. I wouldn't donate part of my liver unless one of my close friends was in dire straits. I said I would absolutely donate to my brother and probably his wife since I don't have any family and they will. She seemed upset that I wouldn't be willing to donate unless it was family or one of my closest friends.

Do I belong in this thread or "genuinely nice planet"?
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No one would want my liver. Next armchair moral dilemma, please. ;)

In all seriousness, I wouldn't undergo such a major surgery for just any acquaintance. The odds your friend is a match are probably slim anyway.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
It's your liver. There are all sorts of potential ways to bleed out. Plus there are the potential complications with general anesthesia.

Parents, would you have done this with an infant?
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Trick question. No one would want my liver either.

And, I agree with your line of thinking. I don't have any kids, but I feel like that is how I would think if I did.
 
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