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Hey, I'm flexible. If this is no longer the law, or the approach the EEOC takes, with respect to the question of whether a woman's sexually provocative speech or dress are relevant, I'm here to be convinced.
Scooby's post is literally one page back and not that hard to find, nor is it confusing in the least. He believes someone is guilty of something, solely based on the fact that said person is right-wing, and has been accused of doing something. That's all.
I've already explained my political views enough to you on this board, but it's not surprising you either didn't read them, or simply want us to believe you don't remember. Honestly I'm not sure which of those is the case.
But just to humor you, I'll give it one more shot. I'm middle of the road on many issues, and have become moderate to progressive on many things as I've gotten older. In fact I'd consider myself very liberal on most social issues, while moderately conservative on most fiscal issues. And on other issues I like to think I lean in the direction of common sense.
While you might see me poking and prodding you lefties much more than righties, it's only because I find the attitudes of many lefties so generalizing and hypocritical (occurs on both sides, I know), but mostly the condescending aspect of many of your posts, including your latest, 'I don't have any context as to how this started, but all I know is YOU'RE WRONG.' There's an air that you are so certain you're the smartest guy in the room, and for some reason folks that come across that way have always bothered me. And I see that from my liberal friends at about a 10:1 ratio more often than the more conservative ones.
Bottom line, if you look back, you'll see me skewering both left and right. And while I might come at the left more often for their posts here, you certainly won't see me defending the righties' actions that may have led to those posts.
No doubt. If Roger Ailes comes in and uses the "Carlson is a slut" defense, they're going to pay a lot of money.
Plus, on this Board at least, it's a more target-rich environment.
Plus, on this Board at least, it's a more target-rich environment.
Treating others with dignity and respect is very difficult for some people.
For the younger of us we reached the threshold of stupidity we're willing to deal with about 2006 or so and so sarcasm and mostly snark is used in response. We tried reasonable, well thought responses but you only handle so much "hurr durr librul!" before you snap.All this makes sense. Thank you for taking the time.
I agree with you that "why do you assume you're the smartest in the room" is more of a liberal problem than conservative (though there are conservative detachments, like the Von Misean crowd, who are every bit as offensive). Some of that is because "we're obnoxious and disliked did you know that?" Some of it is because a lot of us come from argumentative professions where you battle it out and the best ideas win, no harm no foul and we all drink together at the end of the day.
But some of it comes from an experience almost all educated liberals I know have had when we run smack up against someone who not only disagrees on results but also on premises. How do you argue with someone who responds to an argument about evolution by quoting the Bible? There are ways to engage without being condescending -- Stephen Gould used to be good at this, for example -- but not all of us are geniuses and living saints and so most of us at that point get snarky or at least a little "sigh, OK, let's go back to first principles..." and come off as know it alls.
But again, how do you even begin with someone who is, intellectually, from another planet? A planet that looks suspiciously like the one we all more or less occupy in childhood until we start to use the intellectual tools of logic and skepticism?
I would compare it to the way many conservatives assume that liberals are conservatives who simply lack some life experience: the Churchill heart/brain quote, or the "hasn't been mugged" quote. It's just so easy to Go There and thus resolve the High Weirdness of someone standing in front of you who by all rights ought not be able to tie his shoes. It's a useless and destructive response, but to some extent I think most of us do it.
We should all treat each other with more respect, even if, especially if, we think our interlocutor has a head full of mush.
There's a huge difference between acceptable behavior in an office type environment and acceptable behavior in a bar. Yeah sorry but you don't need to ogle a woman at work no matter how she dresses.Being offended is not the same as being harassed. I am often offended by things my boss does or says and I would never claim harassment. While I agree with your advice wholeheartedly I think this stuff gets blown way out of proportion and all it really does is weaken the argument against much worse behavior. It is like calling someone Hitler...it used to mean you were the face of genocide and evil, now it just means you lead a group I dont like.
And before someone says it, I am not in any way saying women deserve to be treated as objects or that they have to take it. I am just saying there is a reason you drool over Megyn Kelly Kepler and it isnt for her intellect. She knows the best way to get ratings is to sex it up and she does it. Exploiting the fact that men are pigs is very smart but also makes your whole argument hollow if you are saying the pigs are acting like pigs and it offends you. That is what I am saying...
And again, that doesnt mean guys should be pinching butts, or giving massages, or making unwanted advances cause that is beyond wrong. But this stuff reminds me of my female friends that go out to bars dressed to get a reaction then get all annoyed when guys stare at them or make a move. This isnt 1955 you can choose to dress and act however you like. If you own your sexuality and love your body great show it off believe me I wont stop ya! Dont act all angry though when you shove the girls in my view and I take a gander
