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Nice Planet X: I knew it, I'm surrounded by a-holes!

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JFC. . This idea that all doctors or even a large fraction of doctors are pill pushers. That it's pill this, pill that without caring about their patients getting proper treatment.

ADHD medications are extremely expensive despite being on the market for ages. Doctors care about their patients being able to afford treatments as well as avoid treatments that are unnecessary and cost their patients money.

I've had personal relationships with all of my doctors over the years and they absolutely care about getting the disease under control. Extremely well-controlled cases are fairly uncommon from what I understand. There are dozens of medications on the market not even including the generics. Even those have variations when compared to their brand name equivalents where they are supposed to have an identical therapeutic effect. Which they most certainly do not. People who have it well-controlled can tell almost immediately when it's not therapeutically equivalent. I called out one generic years before the FDA started to look into things.

Many, maybe most struggle to get into a well-controlled state by finding that magical combination of convenience, cost, and most importantly effectiveness. It took years of work with my doctors to figure that out.
 
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Especially when it comes to schedule II drugs. Great way to lose your license and DEA privileges.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
JFC. . This idea that all doctors or even a large fraction of doctors are pill pushers. That it's pill this, pill that without caring about their patients getting proper treatment.

ADHD medications are extremely expensive despite being on the market for ages. Doctors care about their patients being able to afford treatments as well as avoid treatments that are unnecessary and cost their patients money.

I've had personal relationships with all of my doctors over the years and they absolutely care about getting the disease under control. Extremely well-controlled cases are fairly uncommon from what I understand. There are dozens of medications on the market not even including the generics. Even those have variations when compared to their brand name equivalents where they are supposed to have an identical therapeutic effect. Which they most certainly do not. People who have it well-controlled can tell almost immediately when it's not therapeutically equivalent. I called out one generic years before the FDA started to look into things.

Many, maybe most struggle to get into a well-controlled state by finding that magical combination of convenience, cost, and most importantly effectiveness. It took years of work with my doctors to figure that out.
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And I'm saying that once a patient hears "There's a pill for that" there is no push by a doctor. They (the patient) just take that option. THAT'S the problem I have. There are people out there like that. They want the quick fix for their symptoms; they don't want to find out the root of the problem.
 
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JFC. This is why mental health is an issue in this country. Did you not read a word in that post?

Of course they should take that route if a god**** medical doctor recommends a well-established, first line treatment.

Do you understand how mental illnesses work? Root of the problem? Symptoms? I mean Christ. You can't always fix a mental illness. In fact, I can't think of a single mental illness off the top of my head that has a cure. There's a genetic problem that is either throwing off the neurotransmitter levels, their ratios, or any other number of ridiculously complex causes of mental illness. Some are a complete mystery and drugs are the only thing that allows them to live a halfway normal life. Don't you dare insinuate for a second that anyone with a mental illness would take a cure in a heartbeat. That's just so insulting.

You need to have a carefully controlled and monitored treatment regimen that might include both pharmacological and non-pharmacological approaches. Almost always at the same time. Most people require at a bare minimum six month checkups to make sure things are controlled. Far, far more often in cases that aren't controlled. This can take years of experimentation to achieve. For each patient.

And my god. The idea that doctors wouldn't recommend a cure instead of just treating the symptoms? What a bizarre and dangerous idea. I can't think of a single instance of where that has been true with anyone I know.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
JFC. This is why mental health is an issue in this country. Did you not read a word in that post?

Of course they should take that route if a god**** medical doctor recommends a well-established, first line treatment.

Do you understand how mental illnesses work? Root of the problem? Symptoms? I mean Christ. You can't always fix a mental illness. In fact, I can't think of a single mental illness off the top of my head that has a cure. There's a genetic problem that is either throwing off the neurotransmitter levels, their ratios, or any other number of ridiculously complex causes of mental illness. Some are a complete mystery and drugs are the only thing that allows them to live a halfway normal life. Don't you dare insinuate for a second that anyone with a mental illness would take a cure in a heartbeat. That's just so insulting.

You need to have a carefully controlled and monitored treatment regimen that might include both pharmacological and non-pharmacological approaches. Almost always at the same time. Most people require at a bare minimum six month checkups to make sure things are controlled. Far, far more often in cases that aren't controlled. This can take years of experimentation to achieve. For each patient.

And my god. The idea that doctors wouldn't recommend a cure instead of just treating the symptoms? What a bizarre and dangerous idea. I can't think of a single instance of where that has been true with anyone I know.
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And do you understand that some people know (or think they know) there's an instant "fix" to their symptoms? And it comes in the form of a pill or whatever? And that's the option they take without fully researching stuff? GOOD doctors do care. Some doctors may advise against certain things, but will do what the patient wants. Some others are not as good as other doctors, and may have a wrong diagnosis. And others, yes, do push pills.

I just wish, as has been my stance from my first post, that patients fully exhaust all possibilities, before jumping to a conclusion/solution.
 
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Holy crap. This quick fix for symptoms thing again.

You clearly don't understand mental illness despite my best efforts to explain there are almost never cures. There control and management. There are no fixes or cures.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Holy crap. This quick fix for symptoms thing again.

You clearly don't understand mental illness despite my best efforts to explain there are almost never cures. There control and management. There are no fixes or cures.
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Lemme friggin' rephrase, then. Some may benefit from something other than pills. BUT, they choose the "Hey, Yay Pill-Wagon!" because it's easier.

Do you understand that mentality?
 
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No. Because they work. There are safe, first line, well-understood, effective routes. Why wouldn't you go that route?

Your line of thought is so dangerous when it comes to mental illnesses. if there were better, cost-effective treatment options that didn't involve drugs, you can be ****ed sure they would be the first line of treatment. I don't think you have even the most remote idea what it means to manage a mental illness.

I would pay thousands for an effective cure. People with more severe or impactful illnesses would likely give all of their earthly possessions. Imagine if we had a pill that magically allowed an autistic child to live a normal life. Most parents would do whatever they can to give their child a chance. But today we rely on hideously expensive therapists, special schools, caretakers, and other means just to manage daily life.

What you just said is the reason we have suck quackery like acupuncture and doing lines of ground up rhino horn to have sex.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
No. Because they work. There are safe, first line, well-understood, effective routes. Why wouldn't you go that route?

Your line of thought is so dangerous when it comes to mental illnesses. if there were better, cost-effective treatment options that didn't involve drugs, you can be ****ed sure they would be the first line of treatment. I don't think you have even the most remote idea what it means to manage a mental illness.

I would pay thousands for an effective cure. People with more severe or impactful illnesses would likely give all of their earthly possessions. Imagine if we had a pill that magically allowed an autistic child to live a normal life. Most parents would do whatever they can to give their child a chance. But today we rely on hideously expensive therapists, special schools, caretakers, and other means just to manage daily life.

What you just said is the reason we have suck quackery like acupuncture and doing lines of ground up rhino horn to have sex.
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So there is not one person on this earth, that just pops a pill, because it's easier than going through some kind of therapy, or some other form of treatment, that is equally as good, or maybe a better treatment. Correct? Or maybe a placebo ends up with the same result? Not one person.

That's what you're saying.

I'm open to all options, I just want people to do full research.
 
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Are doctors pill pushers? Not necessarily directly, at least. Next time you're in a doctor's office though, take a look around, including at the doctor's clipboard. Notice how there's usually at least one prescription drug being advertised. The doctor doesn't even have to open his/her mouth, and you're already curious about a supposed "miracle pill".

Advertising also has a lot to do with things. Ever watch those medical advertisements? Some stupid song to calm you down, ten seconds to push the pill, side effects in the middle-end with a slightly monotone voice but the pictures have already taken over your mind, and of course the **** voice returns at the end to hook you back. It's not like it's new either. TV shows in the 50's and 60's were sponsored by pharmaceutical companies, like Bristol-Myers or Pharmaceuticals, Inc. (makers of Geritol at the time).

If we want to take a look at mental health and medication's supposed effect on it, look at how many suicides are happening now. It's not just limited to the mass killings, although it can be admitted that the majority of mass killers commit suicide rather than give themselves up to a group of domestic terrorists that will force them to live through the hell of remorse. Heck, if you watch the boob tube, take 5-10 different medical ads, and notice how many of them mention in the side effects either depression or suicide (any form of the word). You want to improve mental health? That's all well and good. Throwing money at the problem isn't always the complete answer, though.
 
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Anyone remember this?

"One pill makes you larger
And one pill makes you small
Abd the one that Mother gives you
Don't do anything at all..."
 
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joecct said:
Anyone remember this?

"One pill makes you larger
And one pill makes you small
Abd the one that Mother gives you
Don't do anything at all..."
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Go ask Alice
when she's ten-feet tall.
 
Re: Nice Planet X: I knew it, I'm surrounded by a-holes!

As someone who lives with the burden of mental illness daily:

1. It wasn't like I told my doctor "shut up and medicate me." For the longest time, I tried to treat my severe depression with counseling/psychotherapy alone, and it just wasn't working.
2. With depression, you can't give it the same medication forever. For example, last year, I was told my depression was so severe, that the pills I was on weren't working. Every so often, you have to change the medication. Now I am on an antidepressant that targets five receptors in the brain, whereas Prozac only targeted one. Thanks to the new meds, my mood has at least stabilized.
3. I've also had to listen to people, mostly Organic Hippies, tell me I don't need meds and that eating more kale and superfood smoothies would just solve everything.
4. I am also extremely grateful that there are medications for depression, and that they help to give me a chance at a productive life. 30 years ago, other than committing myself to a mental hospital, my only options would have been "suck it up, buttercup" or drink the pain away.
5. And I'm finding that the best thing I can do for myself, other than the meds, is to maintain a proper diet/exercise regimen. Making myself get out and socialize also helps.
 
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Slap Shot said:
And for the 2nd time that's what I'm calling you out for. :)
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And I'm not discussing big pharm or pushy doctors. I'm discussing patients (or parents of patients) who don't bother to find out all options of treatment, and instead just want the "quick fix." SBob did his due diligence. That is all I ask for, from patients/parents of patients. What may work for one person may not work for another.
 
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This Tennessee shooting....took the gun from an UNLOCKED CLOSET. WTeff?! THIS is why pro-gun crowds are getting vilified and rightfully so. It's not the accessibility of purchasing of guns, it's the people who actually have access to them. Friggin' stupid morons.

One guy on CNN actually said, and I'm paraphrasing, "I don't see where the parents could be charged in a criminal capacity." Um, WHAT? Yeah, charge their arses for not securing the guns they have purchased. It was careless, reckless, and irresponsible. They should NOT be owning guns due to their lack of responsibility of owning a gun.
 
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Brenthoven said:
This Tennessee shooting....took the gun from an UNLOCKED CLOSET. WTeff?! THIS is why pro-gun crowds are getting vilified and rightfully so. It's not the accessibility of purchasing of guns, it's the people who actually have access to them. Friggin' stupid morons.

One guy on CNN actually said, and I'm paraphrasing, "I don't see where the parents could be charged in a criminal capacity." Um, WHAT? Yeah, charge their arses for not securing the guns they have purchased. It was careless, reckless, and irresponsible. They should NOT be owning guns due to their lack of responsibility of owning a gun.
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I'm surprised the CNN guy said that. I thought there were state laws everywhere concerning proper gun storage. Maybe TN is notable for their absence?
 
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