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Nice Planet, Part 2: A-holes on parade

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Old Pio said:
Let's try to be real, for once, shall we? The "issue" in the Trayvon Martin case is race. His and George Zimmerman's. White guy killing a black guy. Discussion of "stand your ground" is a distraction. POTUS didn't jump into this case (nor the Revs) because of "stand your ground." They got involved because a white guy shot and killed a black guy. If both had been white, or black, or their races reversed, not a single one of us not living in Florida would have heard of the case, much less engaged in strenuous debate about it.

I have mentioned the continuing violence in Chicago because it isn't just gang thugs who are victims. Innocent children and grandparents are also killed. Without being too much of a demagogue, is the life of an adorable black 6-year old sitting on her stoop, shot to death by a gang thug who missed, less valuable than an adorable white 6-year old gunned down by Adam Lanza? In terms of loss of life, Chicago has the equivalent of a Newtown every month! The circumstances are clearly different, the killings in Chicago occur seriatum, not all at once. Still, it seems like we are inured to the slaughter of these black children and grand parents. And race must be considered part of the reason.

I mention the shooting in Chicago because no executive order, no proposed legislation, is likely to have any measurable impact on these crimes. Most big cities already have very tough gun control ordinances. Chicago's was so restrictive, the Supreme Court overturned it. Yet the killings continue. Young people carry and use guns at the drop of a hat. Like yesterday, at a high school basketball game! You read about these crimes every day, and yet we tend to look the other way. After all, "they" are only killing each other. 93% of black murder victims are killed by other blacks. And blacks represent a hugely disproportionate share of our murder victims. I'm not convinced that any anti-gun proposals will have an impact on a culture where teenagers carry guns and are prepared to shoot and kill other teenagers at a basketball game. I also believe a big part of the problem is the absense of appropriate male role models. Fathers, preferably. I've mentioned riding with Omaha's Mad Dads, which puts black men on the street to simply meet and talk with teenagers, hoping to show them a better way.

As a result of Newtown we've begun our customary crisis mongering. The NRA attacking Obama because his girls are given legally required protection. Suggesting their nitwit proposal to put cops in every one of our 100K schools is a "solution." Obama, staging "gun control theatre" hiding behind little kids. Are we to believe the next Adam Lanza is going to be deterred by a limit on the number of rounds in a magazine? This is a person who shot all of his victims multiple times. One child was struck 11 times! From personal experience, I can tell you that replacing one magazine with another is no BFD. Especially if you're on a psychotic murder rampage.

The Obama approach is a classic bait and switch: talk about the obscenity in Newtown and offer "solutions" which have approximately zero likelihood of stopping the next massacre. If Congress wants to ban "assault" weapons go right ahead, I don't care. But this is a meaningless distinction, based on aesthetics, not capabilities.
We previously banned these weapons. And the ban was allowed to expire. One would have expected crime to decline while the ban was in effect and increase after it expired. Neither happened. More children die every year in this country from gun accidents than all the children who have ever been shot in one of these school massacres.

Yet we continue with this gun Kabuki. I am so sick and tired of both sides in this argument, I'm unable to express it. The NRA exploring new vistas of reactionary paranoid hysteria. The POTUS and Vice POTUS playing to their base, repeatedly trotting out one of the dumbest of all cliches: "If it only saves one life." What a crock. I'm pretty convinced that as a nation we are simply unable to have a serious discussion about the various gun problems, each of which requires a different, more nuanced approach. And when this spasm of crisis mongering has ended, we will or won't have some new gun control laws, and the NRA will or won't be able to punish some congressmen for voting the "wrong" way, but we will be no safer. Neither will our children.
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All fair points. I will agree that what's being pushed through now isn't enough on its own, and we have another huge problem in our culture in general.
 
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Old Pio said:
Let's try to be real, for once, shall we? The "issue" in the Trayvon Martin case is race. His and George Zimmerman's. White guy killing a black guy. Discussion of "stand your ground" is a distraction. POTUS didn't jump into this case (nor the Revs) because of "stand your ground." They got involved because a white guy shot and killed a black guy. If both had been white, or black, or their races reversed, not a single one of us not living in Florida would have heard of the case, much less engaged in strenuous debate about it.

I have mentioned the continuing violence in Chicago because it isn't just gang thugs who are victims. Innocent children and grandparents are also killed. Without being too much of a demagogue, is the life of an adorable black 6-year old sitting on her stoop, shot to death by a gang thug who missed, less valuable than an adorable white 6-year old gunned down by Adam Lanza? In terms of loss of life, Chicago has the equivalent of a Newtown every month! The circumstances are clearly different, the killings in Chicago occur seriatum, not all at once. Still, it seems like we are inured to the slaughter of these black children and grand parents. And race must be considered part of the reason.

I mention the shooting in Chicago because no executive order, no proposed legislation, is likely to have any measurable impact on these crimes. Most big cities already have very tough gun control ordinances. Chicago's was so restrictive, the Supreme Court overturned it. Yet the killings continue. Young people carry and use guns at the drop of a hat. Like yesterday, at a high school basketball game! You read about these crimes every day, and yet we tend to look the other way. After all, "they" are only killing each other. 93% of black murder victims are killed by other blacks. And blacks represent a hugely disproportionate share of our murder victims. I'm not convinced that any anti-gun proposals will have an impact on a culture where teenagers carry guns and are prepared to shoot and kill other teenagers at a basketball game. I also believe a big part of the problem is the absense of appropriate male role models. Fathers, preferably. I've mentioned riding with Omaha's Mad Dads, which puts black men on the street to simply meet and talk with teenagers, hoping to show them a better way.

As a result of Newtown we've begun our customary crisis mongering. The NRA attacking Obama because his girls are given legally required protection. Suggesting their nitwit proposal to put cops in every one of our 100K schools is a "solution." Obama, staging "gun control theatre" hiding behind little kids. Are we to believe the next Adam Lanza is going to be deterred by a limit on the number of rounds in a magazine? This is a person who shot all of his victims multiple times. One child was struck 11 times! From personal experience, I can tell you that replacing one magazine with another is no BFD. Especially if you're on a psychotic murder rampage.

The Obama approach is a classic bait and switch: talk about the obscenity in Newtown and offer "solutions" which have approximately zero likelihood of stopping the next massacre. If Congress wants to ban "assault" weapons go right ahead, I don't care. But this is a meaningless distinction, based on aesthetics, not capabilities.
We previously banned these weapons. And the ban was allowed to expire. One would have expected crime to decline while the ban was in effect and increase after it expired. Neither happened. More children die every year in this country from gun accidents than all the children who have ever been shot in one of these school massacres.

Yet we continue with this gun Kabuki. I am so sick and tired of both sides in this argument, I'm unable to express it. The NRA exploring new vistas of reactionary paranoid hysteria. The POTUS and Vice POTUS playing to their base, repeatedly trotting out one of the dumbest of all cliches: "If it only saves one life." What a crock. I'm pretty convinced that as a nation we are simply unable to have a serious discussion about the various gun problems, each of which requires a different, more nuanced approach. And when this spasm of crisis mongering has ended, we will or won't have some new gun control laws, and the NRA will or won't be able to punish some congressmen for voting the "wrong" way, but we will be no safer. Neither will our children.
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Great Post.
dxmnkd316 said:
Amazing, when you phrase it like this, it really puts things into perspective.
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Yep, and just think that heck, there's other Cities and States that probably have about the same thing every mouth as well.
 
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Old Pio said:
I mention the shooting in Chicago because no executive order, .
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I saw your buddy the mayor of Chicago on the news yesterday saying he instructed the pension fund managers for Chicago to divest any stock of companies that built "assault rifles". I'll bet that helps the violence in Chicago.
 
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walrus said:
I saw your buddy the mayor of Chicago on the news yesterday saying he instructed the pension fund managers for Chicago to divest any stock of companies that built "assault rifles". I'll bet that helps the violence in Chicago.
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Probably belongs in the stock market thread, but when was the last time you saw a mutual fund, hedge fund, retirement fund, or similar entity that had a political or religious motivation for choosing companies actually make money?
 
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walrus said:
I saw your buddy the mayor of Chicago on the news yesterday saying he instructed the pension fund managers for Chicago to divest any stock of companies that built "assault rifles". I'll bet that helps the violence in Chicago.
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When are we going to wise up? When are we going to stop being impressed by empty gestures? In the case of His Imperial Rahmness I, we can expect an immediate improvement in street crime (you know how carefully Black P. Stone Nation thugs read the WSJ) plus this will doubtless help taxpayers in meeting the burdens of bloated city worker pension plans.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Probably belongs in the stock market thread, but when was the last time you saw a mutual fund, hedge fund, retirement fund, or similar entity that had a political or religious motivation for choosing companies actually make money?
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My Ave Maria mutual fund is positive since I bought in 2 yrs ago.
 
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Old Pio said:
Finally the other shoe drops for the corrupt, incompetent former mayor of New Orleans. Maybe they can assign him the same cell Edwin Edwards occupied.

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2013/01/former_mayor_ray_nagin_charged.html
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Haven't really heard about him, been hearing too dang much about the moron that was running Detroit and all of his shenanigans. Hell, the other day there was a story that his wife is now asking for donations from the Detroit area to help pay tuition for his two kids that are now in a private school down in Dallas, Texas. I thought Kwame had some pretty big brass balls on him, but **** if Carlita don't clank when she walks as well.
 
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walrus said:
They probably donated to Rahms campaign
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They'd have the money. Actually, they aren't called that anymore. Started out as Blackstone Rangers, then Black P. Stone nation, then the "Almighty Black P. Stone Nation." These days they call themselves El Rukns. Their leader for decades, Jeff Fort, is serving life in Super Max for having offered Gadaffi to perform domestic terrorism, for a hefty fee, of course. Oh, and for arranging a murder while in the slammer. Since converting to "Islam," Fort has modestly promoted himself to "Caliph".

This was the bunch that LBJ's "war on poverty" gave nearly a million bucks. All time best argument against having Ivy League types in DC deciding who gets our tax money. Fort and his top lieutenants paid themselves handsome salaries ("I'm shocked") and used some of the money to buy anti-tank weapons. These dudes are strong believers in the 2nd. Amendment!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_P._Stones
 
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Another school district official goes off the deep end.

Does the term "common sense" mean anything to these idiots?

A 5-year-old Pennsylvania girl who told another girl she was going to shoot her with a pink Hello Kitty toy gun that blows soapy bubbles has been suspended from kindergarten.

Her family has hired an attorney to fight the punishment, which initially was 10 days for issuing a 'terroristic threat.'
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SteveP said:
Another school district official goes off the deep end.

Does the term "common sense" mean anything to these idiots?
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Remember the viral video from a few years ago of a first grader going ape in a school office somewhere (Florida?) and the several adults just stood around and watched as this child terrorized them? All you have to do is just snatch her up and plop her down in a chair. But no. I don't recall if they called SWAT, but I wouldn't be surprised.
 
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