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Nice Planet #8: You People Make Me Sick.

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unofan said:
I have no idea whether the cop was justified or not, though I'm leaning towards yes based on the information I've seen.

My bigger issue is the cops' management of the situation thereafter (or lack thereof). They did not do themselves any favors by appearing to cover it up, failing to release any information, providing conflicting information about whether the officer knew about the robbery or not, etc.

That is a case study on how to take an already bad situation and make it a giant pile of suck. Given that, I'd be loathe to believe the cops, too. That said, the fact that the DOJ hasn't done anything speaks volumes.
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Agreed on all of that.

As for the bolded, my guess is that they'd love to have a poster (whipping) boy that they could parade in public and say, "SEE! We will prosecute the bad cops!"

They haven't done this yet which leads me to believe that they don't have a case. Like you said - speaks volumes.
 
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Well the prosecutor in this case doesn't exactly have a sterling reputation of going after bad cops, as evidenced by the decision to go to a grand jury and present things in a rather unconventional manner, as well as this gem:

In 2000, in the so-called "Jack in the box" case, two undercover officers shot and killed two unarmed black men. In 2001, they told a grand jury that the suspects tried to escape arrest and then drove toward them; the jury declined to indict.[2][4] McCulloch told the public that every witness had testified to confirm this version, but journalists reviewed the previously secret grand jury tapes and found that McCulloch lied: only three of 13 officers testified that the car was moving forward.[3] A subsequent federal investigation found that men were unarmed and that their car had not moved forward when the officers fired 21 shots; nevertheless, it decided that the shooting was justified.[2][4] McCulloch also drew controversy when he said of the victims: "These guys were bums."[2]
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After the August 2014 shooting of Michael Brown, McCulloch announced that rather than making a decision about whether to arrest police officer Darren Wilson, he would bring the case before a grand jury,[8] leaving to jurors the decision of what charges might be brought, if any.[9] His spokesman acknowledged that it is unusual that the prosecutor is not asking the grand jury to endorse a specific charge.[9] It is also unusual to present a case to a grand jury before the police investigation is over.[10]
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trixR4kids said:
Well the prosecutor in this case doesn't exactly have a sterling reputation of going after bad cops, as evidenced by the decision to go to a grand jury and present things in a rather unconventional manner, as well as this gem:
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You don't think there's federal oversight on this one? If the evidence is there, they're gonna go after this cop.
 
unofan said:
I have no idea whether the cop was justified or not, though I'm leaning towards yes based on the information I've seen.

My bigger issue is the cops' management of the situation thereafter (or lack thereof). They did not do themselves any favors by appearing to cover it up, failing to release any information, providing conflicting information about whether the officer knew about the robbery or not, etc.

That is a case study on how to take an already bad situation and make it a giant pile of suck. Given that, I'd be loathe to believe the cops, too. That said, the fact that the DOJ hasn't done anything speaks volumes.
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That's the bigger issue to come out of this. The issues of the police and the things being used afterwards, automatic weapons, MRAPs and other ex-military hardware, and their behavior are being, sadly, swept under the rug.
 
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Slap Shot said:
It will never happen because I won't ever attempt to rob one.
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And if you didn't attempt to rob them and this happened? Which could very well be what happened here...?


Was the cop ever "shut down" due to racism?
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Well given that he was part of the force that got shut down, yeah. It's entirely possible that he had nothing to do with any of that but OP's statement isn't entirely true either.

Not to mention the whole mace incident might not necessarily have been racist, but it does show evidence of him being overly aggressive.
 
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trixR4kids said:
And if you didn't attempt to rob them and this happened? Which could very well be what happened here...?

Well given that he was part of the force that got shut down, yeah. It's entirely possible that he had nothing to do with any of that but OP's statement isn't entirely true either.
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Reach much?

So you're making your case on the basis of "anything's possible?"


Just stop while you still have some dignity.
 
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If you think that's what my argument is then you're the one reaching here...
 
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trixR4kids said:
The guy appears to lay hands on Brown in the vid before Brown grabbed him. How exactly would you react if a store clerk laid hands on you?
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Big Mike 300 lbs and 6 foot something and I'm to believe some store clerk was "brave" read crazy enough to take the first swing.
 
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There's video of it. Nobody said anything about swinging either, no punches were thrown.
 
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trixR4kids said:
The guy appears to lay hands on Brown in the vid before Brown grabbed him. How exactly would you react if a store clerk laid hands on you?
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Please explain where, exactly, the clerk "appears to lay hands on Brown." I've watched the tape several times. And all I see is "Big Mike" grabbing the cigars, shoving the clerk roughly, then taking a couple of menacing steps toward him before heading out the door. At no point does the clerk appear to touch the poor, innocent baby. I get the feeling I have when watching JFK, with Costner saying repeatedly "back and to the left, back and to the left, back and to the left." As if that misrepresentation, repeated often enough, becomes true.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Uf5mfE057E
 
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Old Pio said:
Please explain where, exactly, the clerk "appears to lay hands on Brown." I've watched the tape several times. And all I see is "Big Mike" grabbing the cigars, shoving the clerk roughly, then taking a couple of menacing steps toward him before heading out the door. At no point does the clerk appear to touch the poor, innocent baby. I get the feeling I have when watching JFK, with Costner saying repeatedly "back and to the left, back and to the left, back and to the left." As if that misrepresentation, repeated often enough, becomes true.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Uf5mfE057E
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It is clearly the video he has formed in his head using his vast imagination.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
It is clearly the video he has formed in his head using his vast imagination.
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I've never been quite certain whether he believes the bilge he posts or is a troll. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter. If I lived in Ferguson, and had the means, I'd be taking a long vacation about now. It could get very ugly.
 
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He gets in front of Brown and appears to put his hands on him. I just don't get why Brown and his friend would just hand back the two boxes of cigars but then rob them, especially when it appears that he paid for them if you look at the other camera angle.

Irony of it all being that the video doesn't matter in the slightest as far as this case. He wasn't pursuing Brown as as robbery suspect.
 
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