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Nice Planet 6: Get Me Off This Planet.

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bigblue_dl said:
I'm pretty sure I didn't say anything of the sort. I'm all for getting rid of "bad ones"....I'm about as anti-union as can be and hate that there are organizations the protect people that are terrible at their jobs. I also think it is doing a huge disjustice to paint the huge majority of police officers that are good at what they do with the same brush as the bad apples. These people put their lives on the line to protect civilians and the best you can do is assume that they're bad people and terrible cops?
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When lives are on the line, I have to assume bad cop as a measure of defence. Trust is not in my vocabulary.
 
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LynahFan said:
I'm strongly in favor of allowing hunting for lots of reasons, but this one always strikes me as a red herring. In this day and age, the number of people for whom hunting makes the difference between starving and not is surely statistically insignificant. When you look at how much $$$ most hunters spend on permits, guns, ammo, targets, calls, decoys, scents, scopes, clothing, boots, kinves, trucks, fuel, butchering, deer stands, freezers, and hundreds of other things I don't even know about since I don't hunt, it can't be cost competitive even with chicken down at the local grocery store, to say nothing of other equally sustaining vegetarian options.

If you're so poor that hunting is the only thing that keeps you from starving, perhaps you shouldn't spend all your food stamps on M/D 20-20, ya know?
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There are those bad shots out there that have to go down to the local Cabela's to get all in the latest in hunting gear to go hunt because they can't really shoot straight, mostly because they're really just up north and full of beer during the season. And then there are those that take a much more minimalist approach to it because they have too. And they usually shoot straight. Plus, while its might be hard to comprehend, there are a few areas out there yet that there's just not any convenience stores around nearby to use your food stamps to get some hamburger, so its much simpler to go out and get yourself some Government Beef, whither you poach it or you harvest that animal legally.
 
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bigmrg74 said:
There are those bad shots out there that have to go down to the local Cabela's to get all in the latest in hunting gear to go hunt because they can't really shoot straight, mostly because they're really just up north and full of beer during the season. And then there are those that take a much more minimalist approach to it because they have too. And they usually shoot straight. Plus, while its might be hard to comprehend, there are a few areas out there yet that there's just not any convenience stores around nearby to use your food stamps to get some hamburger, so its much simpler to go out and get yourself some Government Beef, whither you poach it or you harvest that animal legally.
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Looks like pretty much every point in the CONUS is within about 50 miles of grocery store (to say nothing of convenience stores, etc). Even if it's 50 miles to a grocery store, you'd only have to invest a few hours' time to make a trip - how long does it take, on average, to shoot a deer, drag it home, butcher the meat, etc? Also, don't forget that most of the places where it's farthest to stores (e.g. Nevada deserts) are not exactly fertile hunting grounds either, so it would take even longer to find something to shoot there. Finally, people who live in those places are going to need to go to the store for other products as well, so hunting does not completely eliminate the need for trips to the store. Unless you fill your vehicle to the brim with non-food items on each and every trip, then you would have been able to bring food back as well. I'm just not buying the argument that hunting saves time or money.
 
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If you shoot a deer you know where it came from. You eat a burger you have no idea
 
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walrus said:
If you shoot a deer you know where it came from. You eat a burger you have no idea
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And that one deer you may have seen for a few seconds before killing it couldn't possibly have any problems you're unable to check for. While that burger is subject to inspections that keep millions of people from getting sick everyday.
 
Foxton said:
And that one deer you may have seen for a few seconds before killing it couldn't possibly have any problems you're unable to check for. While that burger is subject to inspections that keep millions of people from getting sick everyday.
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People get sick all the time from inspected food.
 
burd said:
Do you doubt that a he!! of a lot more got sick before inspections were required?
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I think you guys put a lot of faith in inspections. I'll take my chances on a deer that's been roaming in the woods than a critter up to its belly in **** at a feed lot.
 
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burd said:
Do you doubt that a he!! of a lot more got sick before inspections were required?
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Adding meat inspections have made commercially butchered and processed meat safer, but that's clearly not where he was going with it.

What are the numbers for people eating the food they hunted themselves? I don't know, but if it were significant I'm sure we would've heard about it by now. It's pretty safe to eat the animals you kill.
 
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walrus said:
People get sick all the time from inspected food.
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All the time?!

walrus said:
I think you guys put a lot of faith in inspections. I'll take my chances on a deer that's been roaming in the woods than a critter up to its belly in **** at a feed lot.
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Faith in a system that is helping feed the nation consistently vs you feeding yourself every once and a while.
 
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Near where I live in Southern Wisconsin, most people are very careful what dear they eat, whether they shot them or not. CWD. I have to say, though, that I would much rather eat what I've hunted or grown, for a lot of reasons.
 
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You all fail for actually engaging Foxy Woxy and taking her seriously. :p

I eat rare vension at least once a month. It's delicious, and I have yet to contract CWD, TB, etc.
 
burd said:
Near where I live in Southern Wisconsin, most people are very careful what dear they eat, whether they shot them or not. CWD. I have to say, though, that I would much rather eat what I've hunted or grown, for a lot of reasons.
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I don't hunt, so how are people careful about the deer meat they eat?
 
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LynahFan said:
Looks like pretty much every point in the CONUS is within about 50 miles of grocery store (to say nothing of convenience stores, etc). Even if it's 50 miles to a grocery store, you'd only have to invest a few hours' time to make a trip - how long does it take, on average, to shoot a deer, drag it home, butcher the meat, etc? Also, don't forget that most of the places where it's farthest to stores (e.g. Nevada deserts) are not exactly fertile hunting grounds either, so it would take even longer to find something to shoot there. Finally, people who live in those places are going to need to go to the store for other products as well, so hunting does not completely eliminate the need for trips to the store. Unless you fill your vehicle to the brim with non-food items on each and every trip, then you would have been able to bring food back as well. I'm just not buying the argument that hunting saves time or money.
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As the crow flys perhaps. But there are places like in West Virginia that has a lot of small towns that are about 4 miles apart, with a mountain right between them, and they would have to drive close to an hour just to get to the other town.

Plus, some of those way out of the way places are farms where they already have their own meat butchering and processing equipment to take care of their own stock when they want to put that meat off the hoof so to speak. There's lots of old time farmers out there that can still butcher their own hogs, lambs, chickens, goats, and even cattle. How do you think the Amish do it? They don't worry much about the government inspecting their food. And they're not going to just go hop in their horse and buggy to go make some hundred mile round trip to get some hamburger. A hundred miles by horse and buggy is an all day trip.
 
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joecct said:
I don't hunt, so how are people careful about the deer meat they eat?
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In some zones, people avoid eating deer. That is changing since around '02 when CWD was first detected in the herd and everyone was paranoid about it, having heard of mad cow disease. In some zones in the southern part of the state, I think hunters are still shy about eating their kill, but they can have their deer tested. Hunters are encouraged to wear rubber gloves when they field dress or process the meat, bone their deer (there are always volunteers), minimize handling certain parts such as spinal cord and brain tissue. They also advise hunters to keep the meat separate from other deer when processing and to remove fat and connective tissue.

What most of us do with road kill, I don't know. When they send out the questionnaires, most of us tea partiers see that as another form of government intrusion--a little like putting cameras in our bedrooms, you know.
 
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