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Nice Planet 6: Get Me Off This Planet.

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bueller said:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/16/us/black-rhino-hunting-permit/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Death threats to the guy's kids over a rhino? I'm thinking the rhino's aren't the only herd that could use a little culling.
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I saw a minor uproar over this rhino story on facebook, some of those with a holier than thou attitude were going way too overboard about this case of the rhino hunting permit. Hopefully they're sane enough to realize its not worth sending death threats.
 
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Sadly, there are idiots in this world who value the lives of animals more than they value the lives of humans.
 
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While I don't understand trophy hunting and believe that the urge must be the result of a recessive gene, obviously you don't threaten a human life over it. If it's legal, it's legal.

In addition, much like wolf hunting here in Wisco, if the rhino hunt ends up having a net benefit to rhino conservation, then it's one of those tradeoffs that one doesn't have to like, but should live with. Big picture.

As far as wolves go, I grew up with no wolves in Wisconsin, none, zippo, zilch. I don't like the idea of a wolf hunt, but if that's what it takes to keep everyone on board (including deer hunters and farmers) with actually having wolves in Wisconsin, then I can accept the hunt.
 
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Gurtholfin said:
While I don't understand trophy hunting and believe that the urge must be the result of a recessive gene, obviously you don't threaten a human life over it. If it's legal, it's legal.

In addition, much like wolf hunting here in Wisco, if the rhino hunt ends up having a net benefit to rhino conservation, then it's one of those tradeoffs that one doesn't have to like, but should live with. Big picture.

As far as wolves go, I grew up with no wolves in Wisconsin, none, zippo, zilch. I don't like the idea of a wolf hunt, but if that's what it takes to keep everyone on board (including deer hunters and farmers) with actually having wolves in Wisconsin, then I can accept the hunt.
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That sounds like a very reasonable and well thought out opinion. It is too bad more people aren't able to think through issues this thoroughly.

I'm sure that we disagree on several of the finer points, but overall, I have to agree with you. The fact is, from a practical, agricultural viewpoint, in many areas wolves have become a huge problem, and are threatening livestock. If a wolf hunt is able to keep the population at a sustainable level, to minimize the risk to livestock, while still maintaining a healthy wolf population, then I think that it is definitely a net positive.
 
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Gurtholfin said:
While I don't understand trophy hunting and believe that the urge must be the result of a recessive gene, obviously you don't threaten a human life over it. If it's legal, it's legal.

In addition, much like wolf hunting here in Wisco, if the rhino hunt ends up having a net benefit to rhino conservation, then it's one of those tradeoffs that one doesn't have to like, but should live with. Big picture.

As far as wolves go, I grew up with no wolves in Wisconsin, none, zippo, zilch. I don't like the idea of a wolf hunt, but if that's what it takes to keep everyone on board (including deer hunters and farmers) with actually having wolves in Wisconsin, then I can accept the hunt.
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Reminds me about how ignorant some people can be about how, in many areas, deer hunting is actually required if the deer population is to remain healthy. Absent natural predators, those pests breed to the point where they overgraze and then become prone to infectious diseases, and also make driving hazardous in many areas. There is an optimal population size that the state department of conservation is very good at estimating.

In Wyoming the Dept of Conservation would hire people for two weeks in the spring to take a census of various ungulate populations (two different species of deer, elk, moose) so that they could then determine how many hunting permits to issue in the fall. Hunting in the fall is so ingrained in the culture that they actually close the schools for a week in October when hunting season opens. Not only to parent-child hunting expeditions supplement the family's food supply (important when so many people are barely staying afloat), it also teaches gun safety from an impressionable age (while there are guns than people in Wyoming, gun-related crime is nearly non-existent).


Now we didn't have ignoramuses there who were bothered by it, but I do see the attitude here in the east that any hunting whatsoever should be outlawed, even on an island where the deer population is obviously way too large to be supported by the food supply there, and the state department of conservation has studied and approved the culling of the population to a sustainable level. Somehow hunting is cruel but starvation is not??
 
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bigblue_dl said:
That sounds like a very reasonable and well thought out opinion. It is too bad more people aren't able to think through issues this thoroughly.

I'm sure that we disagree on several of the finer points, but overall, I have to agree with you. The fact is, from a practical, agricultural viewpoint, in many areas wolves have become a huge problem, and are threatening livestock. If a wolf hunt is able to keep the population at a sustainable level, to minimize the risk to livestock, while still maintaining a healthy wolf population, then I think that it is definitely a net positive.
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It's not just livestock. In northern Minnesota, the deer hunting is markedly worse than it was before the wolves were introduced. I'm fine with wolves being here, but they are getting out of control and hunting is the best way to get them under control. Sad that some people can't see the forest for the trees and think that some of us just want to go out and kill wolves for the thrill of it.
 
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FreshFish said:
Reminds me about how ignorant some people can be about how, in many areas, deer hunting is actually required if the deer population is to remain healthy. Absent natural predators, those pests breed to the point where they overgraze and then become prone to infectious diseases, and also make driving hazardous in many areas. There is an optimal population size that the state department of conservation is very good at estimating.

In Wyoming the Dept of Conservation would hire people for two weeks in the spring to take a census of various ungulate populations (two different species of deer, elk, moose) so that they could then determine how many hunting permits to issue in the fall. Hunting in the fall is so ingrained in the culture that they actually close the schools for a week in October when hunting season opens. Not only to parent-child hunting expeditions supplement the family's food supply (important when so many people are barely staying afloat), it also teaches gun safety from an impressionable age (while there are guns than people in Wyoming, gun-related crime is nearly non-existent).


Now we didn't have ignoramuses there who were bothered by it, but I do see the attitude here in the east that any hunting whatsoever should be outlawed, even on an island where the deer population is obviously way too large to be supported by the food supply there, and the state department of conservation has studied and approved the culling of the population to a sustainable level. Somehow hunting is cruel but starvation is not??
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Even though I don't hunt, I fully support hunting (other than trophy). You gonna eat that? Go ahead. Population out of control to the detriment of the ecosystem or to the animal itself? Go ahead.

It's ridiculous that here in Madison, there was an effort to thin the numbers of geese in our public places. They (DNR) were going to shoot them and then use the meat for the homeless and maybe food pantries. Seems like a reasonable plan of action, right? Assuming of course that goose is edible.

Have you been to a park or green space that is frequented by geese? I'd probably be in favor of harp-seal-clubbing the ****ers and burning the carcasses.

Anyway, of course the bleeding hearts came out of the woodworks to protest this very reasonable solution. Just makes you shake your head.
 
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FreshFish said:
Now we didn't have ignoramuses there who were bothered by it, but I do see the attitude here in the east that any hunting whatsoever should be outlawed, even on an island where the deer population is obviously way too large to be supported by the food supply there, and the state department of conservation has studied and approved the culling of the population to a sustainable level. Somehow hunting is cruel but starvation is not??
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When I lived in the SF Bay area there was a huge controversy over the deer population on Angel Island (large island park in the bay). Someone years ago thought it was a great idea to put some deer on the island. No natural predators, no hunting permitted and no way off. Net result - overpopulation to the point of nearly grazing off the whole island and impending collapse of the whole herd. Of course the "deer lovers" didn't want them hunted and were aghast at the idea of adding some coyotes to control the population.:rolleyes:

I moved away before the issue reached resolution.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
That sounds like a very reasonable and well thought out opinion. It is too bad more people aren't able to think through issues this thoroughly.

I'm sure that we disagree on several of the finer points, but overall, I have to agree with you. The fact is, from a practical, agricultural viewpoint, in many areas wolves have become a huge problem, and are threatening livestock. If a wolf hunt is able to keep the population at a sustainable level, to minimize the risk to livestock, while still maintaining a healthy wolf population, then I think that it is definitely a net positive.
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I'm actually more in the center (and reasonable) than my posts in the political threads would indicate. I just like to poke OP and Bob. There are plenty on the far left that I disagree with too.

The world is mostly grey, not black and white.

You and I would most certainly agree on far more than we disagree on.
 
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goldy_331 said:
When I lived in the SF Bay area there was a huge controversy over the deer population on Angel Island (large island park in the bay). Someone years ago thought it was a great idea to put some deer on the island. No natural predators, no hunting permitted and no way off. Net result - overpopulation to the point of nearly grazing off the whole island and impending collapse of the whole herd. Of course the "deer lovers" didn't want them hunted and were aghast at the idea of adding some coyotes to control the population.:rolleyes:

I moved away before the issue reached resolution.
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Ironically, introducing coyotes would have been the "Greenest" solution. Assuming of course that the coyotes wouldn't otherwise destroy the balance/ecosystem, but can't see how they would with lots of deer to hunt.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
Do no wrong? If you think anyone posted that, your reading comprehension is seriously lacking.
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Considering all of you are defending them to the death, it sure sounds like they can do no wrong. Especially when you won't hear a call to purge the bad ones. That tells me you're defending the bad ones as well.
 
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Over and over this week I've been reminded of Jim Carrey's line in Lemony Snickett's: "I don't speak monkey."
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Considering all of you are defending them to the death, it sure sounds like they can do no wrong. Especially when you won't hear a call to purge the bad ones. That tells me you're defending the bad ones as well.
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I'm pretty sure I didn't say anything of the sort. I'm all for getting rid of "bad ones"....I'm about as anti-union as can be and hate that there are organizations the protect people that are terrible at their jobs. I also think it is doing a huge disjustice to paint the huge majority of police officers that are good at what they do with the same brush as the bad apples. These people put their lives on the line to protect civilians and the best you can do is assume that they're bad people and terrible cops?
 
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FreshFish said:
parent-child hunting expeditions supplement the family's food supply (important when so many people are barely staying afloat),
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I'm strongly in favor of allowing hunting for lots of reasons, but this one always strikes me as a red herring. In this day and age, the number of people for whom hunting makes the difference between starving and not is surely statistically insignificant. When you look at how much $$$ most hunters spend on permits, guns, ammo, targets, calls, decoys, scents, scopes, clothing, boots, kinves, trucks, fuel, butchering, deer stands, freezers, and hundreds of other things I don't even know about since I don't hunt, it can't be cost competitive even with chicken down at the local grocery store, to say nothing of other equally sustaining vegetarian options.

If you're so poor that hunting is the only thing that keeps you from starving, perhaps you shouldn't spend all your food stamps on M/D 20-20, ya know?
 
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Chicago guy convicted of murder in the beating and stabbing death of his 9-year old daughter. In Texas, he'd be on a gurney faster than you could say: "Roll up your sleeve, mother *****er." But in Illinois they've outlawed the death penalty--which possibly saves the lives of governors yet unborn, but won't bring any justice to that little girl.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...f-killing-daughter-9-20140117,0,3779790.story
 
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