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Nice Planet 6: Get Me Off This Planet.

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Old Pio said:
I'd me more sympathetic to these posts if you ever put one up about cops being shot by thugs. Have you ever? If not, why not?
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There's plenty of them, and they result in the thug not being taken to trial, but rather immediately shot dead.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
There's plenty of them, and they result in the thug not being taken to trial, but rather immediately shot dead.
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So dead and wounded cops don't count if cops shoot back? The number of so-called "officer involved" shootings of "innocent" civilians is dwarfed by the number of attempts on officers' lives. By posting what I consider to be generally hysterical items about cops "executing" civilians, I think you're trying to establish a "problem" where none exists.

Each episode where police shoot an "innocent" civilian should be investigated (as they always are) and charges brought if appropriate. While each such episode is a tragedy, it should be noted that out of the hundreds of millions of interactions between "innocent" civilians and cops each year, there are only a tiny handful of such tragedies. In the incident you cite, the "victim" here was hardly "innocent," given his high speed efforts to elude and other behavior. But by posting items about "another" police "execution" you're begging the question of whether this tiny number of incidents constitutes a "problem." Not to mention using needlessly inflammatory language.

I'm getting a whiff here of the same "logic" that the NRA displayed when it seemingly approved of the murders of four ATF agents who were endeavoring to serve a valid warrant in Waco at Vernon Howell's "compound." I hope I'm wrong.
 
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Old Pio said:
So dead and wounded cops don't count if cops shoot back? The number of so-called "officer involved" shootings of "innocent" civilians is dwarfed by the number of attempts on officers' lives. By posting what I consider to be generally hysterical items about cops "executing" civilians, I think you're trying to establish a "problem" where none exists.

Each episode where police shoot an "innocent" civilian should be investigated (as they always are) and charges brought if appropriate. While each such episode is a tragedy, it should be noted that out of the hundreds of millions of interactions between "innocent" civilians and cops each year, there are only a tiny handful of such tragedies. In the incident you cite, the "victim" here was hardly "innocent," given his high speed efforts to elude and other behavior. But by posting items about "another" police "execution" you're begging the question of whether this tiny number of incidents constitutes a "problem." Not to mention using needlessly inflammatory language.

I'm getting a whiff here of the same "logic" that the NRA displayed when it seemingly approved of the murders of four ATF agents who were endeavoring to serve a valid warrant in Waco at Vernon Howell's "compound." I hope I'm wrong.
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"Investigation" usually involves a slap on the wrist at worst. Those thugs are back on the job once again conducting their terrorist activities. And if more civilians have been killed by police than Americans have died in the Middle East and Afghanistan, there's a problem. Not to mention, why are all cops now getting SWAT team gear and driving around in tanks, especially "showing these off" in residential areas?
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
"Investigation" usually involves a slap on the wrist at worst. Those thugs are back on the job once again conducting their terrorist activities. And if more civilians have been killed by police than Americans have died in the Middle East and Afghanistan, there's a problem. Not to mention, why are all cops now getting SWAT team gear and driving around in tanks, especially "showing these off" in residential areas?
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"If more civilians have been killed by police than Americans have died in the Middle East and Afghanistan." If? Have they or haven't they? And if you assert they have, what's your source for that datum? "All cops now getting SWAT team gear and driving around in tanks." All? Seriously? Calling cops "terrorists" and "thugs" certainly doesn't disabuse me of the notion that your thinking here is on the outer fringes of reason. I was hoping that I had misunderstood your extreme views. Sadly, it looks like there was no misunderstanding.
 
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Old Pio said:
"If more civilians have been killed by police than Americans have died in the Middle East and Afghanistan." If? Have they or haven't they? And if you assert they have, what's your source for that datum? "All cops now getting SWAT team gear and driving around in tanks." All? Seriously? Calling cops "terrorists" and "thugs" certainly doesn't disabuse me of the notion that your thinking here is on the outer fringes of reason. I was hoping that I had misunderstood your extreme views. Sadly, it looks like there was no misunderstanding.
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A few media sites put out those numbers. It's over the course of about 10 years.

And are there some decent cops? Perhaps. However, one little piece of yolk can ruin a meringue, and if they can't purge the yolk out due to their union rules, and because you never know who you'll be seeing, I have to assume they're all bad.
 
FlagDUDE08 said:
A few media sites put out those numbers. It's over the course of about 10 years.

And are there some decent cops? Perhaps. However, one little piece of yolk can ruin a meringue, and if they can't purge the yolk out due to their union rules, and because you never know who you'll be seeing, I have to assume they're all bad.
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I have stayed out of this for obvious reasons, but enough is enough.

You assume cops are all bad? Based on what? Reports on cop-hating websites.

I and most of my family served with honor for over a half century, treating people with respect and compassion, unless they deserved otherwise.

How dare you insult our integrity and the integrity of thousands of other officers who put their lives on the line each and every day.
 
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MinnesotaNorthStar said:
People that go into an interaction with a LEO with an attitude like this are generally the ones who keep having problems with them...
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This. My great grandpa was a cop, and my uncle is a cop. By the book? Yes. Considered tough (as in no leeway)? Yes. Also considered fair? Hell yes.

You punch in, you have no idea if you are going to survive the day. One of the hardest jobs to retire from, given the stories I've heard over the years, despite the dangers of the job.

Cops get a bad rap overall, which is unfortunate.
 
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SteveP said:
I have stayed out of this for obvious reasons, but enough is enough.

You assume cops are all bad? Based on what? Reports on cop-hating websites.

I and most of my family served with honor for over a half century, treating people with respect and compassion, unless they deserved otherwise.

How dare you insult our integrity and the integrity of thousands of other officers who put their lives on the line each and every day.
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!!

Thank you for your service to your community.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
A few media sites put out those numbers. It's over the course of about 10 years.

And are there some decent cops? Perhaps. However, one little piece of yolk can ruin a meringue, and if they can't purge the yolk out due to their union rules, and because you never know who you'll be seeing, I have to assume they're all bad.
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Why would you allow yourself to be scared of all cops when it's only a small portion of them who are sleazy? That makes no sense at all, completely defying all statistical logic.
 
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SteveP said:
I have stayed out of this for obvious reasons, but enough is enough.

You assume cops are all bad? Based on what? Reports on cop-hating websites.

I and most of my family served with honor for over a half century, treating people with respect and compassion, unless they deserved otherwise.

How dare you insult our integrity and the integrity of thousands of other officers who put their lives on the line each and every day.
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Then separate the wheat from the chaff.
 
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St. Clown said:
Why would you allow yourself to be scared of all cops when it's only a small portion of them who are sleazy? That makes no sense at all, completely defying all statistical logic.
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Why would we have all of the other insane unconstitutional things that have been passed in federal Congress in the last 12 years over something very similar?
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Why would we have all of the other insane unconstitutional things that have been passed in federal Congress in the last 12 years over something very similar?
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I'm not following your logic in connecting the explicit actions of bad/corrupt cops with the legislation coming out of Congress. I'm not following it at all.
 
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St. Clown said:
I'm not following your logic in connecting the explicit actions of bad/corrupt cops with the legislation coming out of Congress. I'm not following it at all.
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I'm glad you posted that. I read Flag's sentence over and over and I couldn't understand it.

I sympathize with law enforcement. It's a tough, dangerous job. I don't think it's quite like being in an active militarized zone, but I can see how some days they might feel like it.

I don't think there is any question that the respect and trust accorded law enforcement officers has significantly eroded in recent years, and that's been bad for society. There are probably many reasons for it. The proliferation of video on handheld devices makes it much more likely we will see events as they transpired.

Law enforcement is like any other profession. There are always a few "bad apples" and they can have the effect of tainting the rest of the profession. You never see on the nightly news the thousands of video cam shots of officers capably and professionally performing their duties. You just see the one outlier, the Rodney King videos.

If there is one "problem" I'd like to see law enforcement solve is that I'd like to see less push back on their part to review of their conduct by outside agencies. I know in Minneapolis right now there is a big debate along this line. The new chief of police unilaterally declared that all incidents involving Minneapolis police officers in which their conduct may be considered criminal will be investigated by the state BCA, the criminal investigative arm of the state of Minnesota. The head of the police union said not so fast, placed a call to the governor, and got the governor to stop it. The union head then began a public campaign that basically argued, "we're the police, we investigate crimes, if a cop committed a crime, we'll investigate it and you should trust us."

The problem is, large segments of the population don't trust that investigation, and there are good reasons why. I think law enforcement in that instance could have done itself a big favor and let the Chief's solution occur. In a vast majority of the cases the officers would likely be exonerated, and certainly some trust would be built back up.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
A few media sites put out those numbers. It's over the course of about 10 years.

And are there some decent cops? Perhaps. However, one little piece of yolk can ruin a meringue, and if they can't purge the yolk out due to their union rules, and because you never know who you'll be seeing, I have to assume they're all bad.
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"A few media sites" is miles away from what's appropriate here. I assume since you're reluctant to share the data with us that these "media sites" are somewhat less than reliable (the completely unreliable Alex Jones seems to be a particular favorite). Frankly, I don't know or care what has brought you to the point where you suggest "perhaps" there are some good cops and that you "have" to assume they're all bad. But speaking only for myself, this is the last time I'll ever engage you on this moonbattery.
 
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