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Don't forget racist. Because those two pathetic slime balls are all you got. Just so we're clear, you think lying and normal politicking are the same? In the case at hand either somebody said what Durbin says he said or he didn't. And if they didn't (as the WH says) that makes Durbin a liar. Especially since he's "sticking by his story," even after the WH denial. And in your mind, that's the same as ordinary political rhetoric?


Lying and intentionally telling half-truths to influence sheeple are the same.

If you call that "normal politicking," that confirms my claim.

And if it walks like a racist and clucks like a racist...

Thanks.
 
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Lying and intentionally telling half-truths to influence sheeple are the same.

If you call that "normal politicking," that confirms my claim.

And if it walks like a racist and clucks like a racist...

Thanks.

I can't decide: smug? arrogant? both? For sure, you and Dick Durbin have the same standards. It's really amazing how so called "liberals" can so easily cast aspersions on the motivations and character of people with whom they disagree. Yet take such great offense when the motivations and character of people with whom they agree are similarly slimed. I'd like to spend more quality putz time, but TCM is showing Amos 'n Andy reruns.
 
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I can't decide: smug? arrogant? both? For sure, you and Dick Durbin have the same standards. It's really amazing how so called "liberals" can so easily cast aspersions on the motivations and character of people with whom they disagree. Yet take such great offense when the motivations and character of people with whom they agree are similarly slimed. I'd like to spend more quality putz time, but TCM is showing Amos 'n Andy reruns.


Can you (you of all people) say that with a straight face? You're just playin' now, right?

You steal your roommate's fentanyl patch tonight? Give it back.


And what makes you think I give a crap about DD?
 
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My costume will be the same as years' past: I'll wear a pair of roller skates and go as a pull-toy.
 
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Guy's a schmuck. But what's an "open" murder? First degree?

I Googled it and found this:

Open Murder: --- Michigan law does not require a prosecutor to choose between First Degree or Second Degree Murder when issuing a complaint, or even at trial. A prosecutor may charge "Open Murder", which is a combination of First and Second Degree Murder, and the jury may determine the appropriate degree based on the proofs.
 
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I Googled it and found this:
Isn't second degree a lesser included charge to first degree? In which case charging with open murder is the same as charging with first degree: the jury can find guilty in the first degree if appropriate, second degree if appropriate, or not guilty.
 
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You know, even after hearing the circumstances of the original "hot coffee" case in business law, I was one of the dissidents in the class who felt she still had no case. Even though that McD's had been cited previous times for coffee that was "too hot", it doesn't take a genius to figure out that you don't hold hot coffee between your legs regardless of circumstances - Hello? It's HOT!. That's what cup holders are for.
 
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You know, even after hearing the circumstances of the original "hot coffee" case in business law, I was one of the dissidents in the class who felt she still had no case. Even though that McD's had been cited previous times for coffee that was "too hot", it doesn't take a genius to figure out that you don't hold hot coffee between your legs regardless of circumstances - Hello? It's HOT!. That's what cup holders are for.

I still think Idiociacy could be cured with the simple removal of a few warning labels on stuff that common sense should be able to tell you its dangerous. The herd could use a good thinning.

But then again, I'm sure OWWW!! My Balls!! will be a great show.
 
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You know, even after hearing the circumstances of the original "hot coffee" case in business law, I was one of the dissidents in the class who felt she still had no case. Even though that McD's had been cited previous times for coffee that was "too hot", it doesn't take a genius to figure out that you don't hold hot coffee between your legs regardless of circumstances - Hello? It's HOT!. That's what cup holders are for.

I recall seeing interviews with members of the original jury who were pompously declaring Mickey D's coffee wasn't at the "proper" temperature. Like those idiots know anything at all, about anything. And like this multi-trillion dollar corporation leaves anything to chance. They keep their coffee hotter that we do at home precisely because their research showed most of their customers take their coffee to work with them. Thus it needs to be hotter longer.

Every sticker or warning label you see on any product ("don't stick your pudenda in the socket") is there because of some lawsuit. Product liability law is probably more of a racket than any other sub specialty of the law. Some genuine claims, to be sure. The rest are legally sanctioned extortion. And guess who winds up paying for it. We need to adopt the "English" rule, where the losers in civil cases pay the legal fees for the winners. Financial exposure would make the bottom feeders who take these cases on contingency think twice.
 
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I recall seeing interviews with members of the original jury who were pompously declaring Mickey D's coffee wasn't at the "proper" temperature. Like those idiots know anything at all, about anything. And like this multi-trillion dollar corporation leaves anything to chance. They keep their coffee hotter that we do at home precisely because their research showed most of their customers take their coffee to work with them. Thus it needs to be hotter longer.

Every sticker or warning label you see on any product ("don't stick your pudenda in the socket") is there because of some lawsuit. Product liability law is probably more of a racket than any other sub specialty of the law. Some genuine claims, to be sure. The rest are legally sanctioned extortion. And guess who winds up paying for it. We need to adopt the "English" rule, where the losers in civil cases pays the legal fees for the winners. Financial exposure would make the bottom feeders who take these cases on contingency think twice.

Nicely said-if we had the English Rule for medical malpractice cases the cost of medical care in this country would drop significantly(but of course some lawyers might either go hungry or have to apply for food stamps).:)
 
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Nicely said-if we had the English Rule for medical malpractice cases the cost of medical care in this country would drop significantly(but of course some lawyers might either go hungry or have to apply for food stamps).:)

Oh wouldn't that just be a tragedy!!! ;)
 
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Nicely said-if we had the English Rule for medical malpractice cases the cost of medical care in this country would drop significantly(but of course some lawyers might either go hungry or have to apply for food stamps).:)

You have first hand knowledge, of course. I recall Dr. Pio's premiums were scary big. People, I think, don't understand how it works. You have a small business, say a TCBY franchise, and somebody trips and falls on the sidewalk outside. They sue. You hire a lawyer, who wins the case for you. He turns to you and says: "Congratulations. That'll be $7.500.00." The "victim" hasn't spent a dime because his bottom feeder took the case on contingency. These priks advertise that on TV all the time. That's why making them pay the winner's legal fees would cool their ardor for filing these extortionate suits. It's like buying lottery tickets. You buy enough and sooner or later you'll win big. It's always desirable to sue big companies. McDonald's didn't have a chance against the old bag who put the coffee between her legs. Jurors in these cases act like they're playing with Monopoly money. And "sticking" it to a big company makes inconsequential people feel important.
 
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You know, even after hearing the circumstances of the original "hot coffee" case in business law, I was one of the dissidents in the class who felt she still had no case. Even though that McD's had been cited previous times for coffee that was "too hot", it doesn't take a genius to figure out that you don't hold hot coffee between your legs regardless of circumstances - Hello? It's HOT!. That's what cup holders are for.
I recall seeing a movie in which this case was discussed, as part of a larger discussion about "tort reform." As I recall, there were no cup holders in the car she was in, but that's neither here nor there since I think the jury did hold her partially responsible, and the award was reduced accordingly.

The one thing I remember about that movie was the photos. I've spilled hot coffee on myself, and burned myself with hot pans, etc..., but holy crap those photos were unbelievable. They looked like someone took a blowtorch to that woman's thighs. When I saw those photos I remember remarking to my wife that it wasn't surprising that McDonalds lost that case. That and the testimony from the risk assessment officer at corporate McDonalds who testified that McDonalds had received at least 700 reports of people being burned by it's coffee, but considered the number to be "insignificant." Maybe could have chosen a better phrase.

I recall seeing interviews with members of the original jury who were pompously declaring Mickey D's coffee wasn't at the "proper" temperature. Like those idiots know anything at all, about anything. And like this multi-trillion dollar corporation leaves anything to chance. They keep their coffee hotter that we do at home precisely because their research showed most of their customers take their coffee to work with them. Thus it needs to be hotter longer.

Every sticker or warning label you see on any product ("don't stick your pudenda in the socket") is there because of some lawsuit. Product liability law is probably more of a racket than any other sub specialty of the law. Some genuine claims, to be sure. The rest are legally sanctioned extortion. And guess who winds up paying for it. We need to adopt the "English" rule, where the losers in civil cases pay the legal fees for the winners. Financial exposure would make the bottom feeders who take these cases on contingency think twice.
I think this is a big misconception.

I had this discussion once with a guy who manufactures propane furnaces, and faced a lot of lawsuits relating to burns and fires. What people forget is that the "English Rule" is a two-way street. The loser, regardless of whether it's the plaintiff or the defendant, pays the other side's attorneys fees, in addition to their own.

The "American Rule" is that each side pays their own, unless there is a contract or statute which provides otherwise. But one of the things you see in the U.S. is that certain types of claims in which the plaintiff has the opportunity to recover not only his or her damages, but also have the defendant pay attorneys fees, can be very attractive. Examples are things like discrimination claims. Lawyers look at it like they are essentially working on the defendant's dime.

My manufacturing friend told me he is adamantly opposed to any sort of fee shifting statute which is a two-way street. It just creates even greater exposure for the defendants. Furthermore, it would frequently be next to impossible for the defendant to collect attorneys fees from the losing plaintiff.

That's why you don't see these rules getting adopted. The only way the manufacturing sector sees it as "fair" is if you adopt fee shifting only if the plaintiff loses, and not if the defendant loses, which of course strikes most people as unfair.
 
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