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Nice planet 4: Take 2. Action!

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FreshFish said:
Black on black crime? The slave trade was an element of tribal warfare in Africa in which one black tribe would enslave another black tribe, then bring them to market to sell to the slave traders. The slave trade wasn't an example of racism; it only appeared that way in the US but not when you look at the entire picture holistically.
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And the people who bought those slaves were just hard-working people in a bind, amirite? Not complicit in any way whatsoever...

It's amazing the lengths some people will go to in order to downplay the ****ty things that have happened to any race that isn't their own. Just last week, I heard a co-worker respond to a comment on what happened to the Native Americans by saying "that's just what happens during war".

FlagDUDE08 said:
So racism on the basis of vindication is OK?
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Not even close to what I'm saying. Just pointing out that there are plenty of people who use the existence of the Black Panthers as an excuse to

FlagDUDE08 said:
How is it relevant? Racism, by definition, is singling out specific parties in a situation solely based upon the person's race. If someone truly goes after someone else because of race, there's no question that that is racism. To single out a specific party in accusation because of a race coincidence is also racism. The way I see it is that it doesn't matter the race involved. A battery is still a battery. A put down is still a put down. A manslaughter is still a manslaughter. Once we stop bringing attention to race can we finally progress in equal protection under the law and equal standing in life.
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Again, kind of off topic. I'm with you on pretty much everything here, other than when you say that it's relevant. All of that explains why we should not be okay with racism, but it doesn't explain why the knee-jerk reaction for some people in this scenario is to point out "hey, look, racist stuff happens against white people, too!", because they can't see a story about someone hating black people without throwing that comment out there.

Just so you know I'm on the same page with you on the side topic: In theory, it shouldn't matter that George Zimmerman is a Hispanic person with a German last name who shot and killed an unarmed teenager, who happened to be black. I guess there's the tidbit where Martin being young, black and wearing a hoodie may or may not have formed Zimmerman's impression that Martin was dangerous and should be reported to the police (which did start the whole confrontation, before Martin was even approached), and we could argue about that one until we're blue in the face. But absent those kinds of details and motivations, it really is irrelevant to the story. If I for one second believed that Zimmerman was an innocent man who was not driving the confrontation and that he wasn't profiling Martin based on his appearance to start it all, I'd probably have taken a very different tone in reacting to the story, and I'd think it's tacky to point out their respective races. Just imagine how uncouth it would be to see a story in the newspaper about Donald Trump and see the line "Trump, who is white, vowed to etch his name onto the Moon" instead of the line "Trump, who is absolutely insane and as close as this world will get to a Bond villain, vowed to etch his name onto the Moon". Or for every ESPN story about Jeremy Lin to somehow note the fact that he is of Chinese/Taiwanese descent.
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
And the people who bought those slaves were just hard-working people in a bind, amirite? Not complicit in any way whatsoever....
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not sure if you willfully missed the point?

Not every example of power and oppression is racial. Sometimes it's just domination and evil, pure and simple. Black-on-black crime is a far bigger social issue today than any vestiges of "racism" left over from our grandparents' generation.

There are many people whose paycheck depends upon them finding "racism" wherever they look or else they'd be out of a job. There is a very important difference between some people holding racist attitudes and institutional "racism". Blacks have suffered far more than any other ethnic group under Obama's economic policies. So are you going to try to convince me that Obama is a closet racist because he's half white? :rolleyes:
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
If we're being honest with ourselves, we should probably blame the human condition for racism. People suck.
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Well yes, this is true. I would guess you'd have a very tough time finding a culture throughout time that didn't have some kind of racism/classism/sexism/etc as a part of it. It happens everywhere, and throughout time. It is ****ty, but it almost seems inevitible.
 
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FreshFish said:
not sure if you willfully missed the point?

Not every example of power and oppression is racial. Sometimes it's just domination and evil, pure and simple. Black-on-black crime is a far bigger social issue today than any vestiges of "racism" left over from our grandparents' generation.

There are many people whose paycheck depends upon them finding "racism" wherever they look or else they'd be out of a job. There is a very important difference between some people holding racist attitudes and institutional "racism". Blacks have suffered far more than any other ethnic group under Obama's economic policies. So are you going to try to convince me that Obama is a closet racist because he's half white? :rolleyes:
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I've mentioned before about talking with Civil War Historian extraordinaire E. B. Long. He told me that as of the outbreak of the war, there were 1,000 blacks (give or take) who owned slaves. There were also black slave ship captains. That's not an argument in favor of slavery. It's a statement of fact. We have lots of prejudices in this country--many on display here every day. And we have far too many Americans whose livelihoods depend on reinforcing those prejudices. And I believe prejudices were on display that fateful night by both George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin. One particularly durable prejudice (peddled by race hustlers) is the notion that "nothing has changed." Tell that to Byron De la Beckwith, convicted by a mixed race Mississippi jury in the murder of Medgar Evers. By the time he died in a prison hospital ward, I'm pretty sure he was convinced things had changed.
 
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Old Pio said:
I especially like the part about how he "inadvertently" typed in u-c-k instead of a-c-e. "Bailiff, whack his pee pee."
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But paragraph 58 of the Complaint has to go down in jurisprudence history. "No traditional male of ordinary prudence wants to enter into a serious relationship with a girl who has a public memorialization of her being railed by some other guy on youporn.com." :eek:
 
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http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/26/2714778/thousands-expected-at-trayvon.html

The system failed him when he wasn't properly disciplined for in-school drug possession and theft in the first place, instead of being given a "suspension" and sent by his father to go party at daddy's girlfriend's house 200 miles from home.

The system failed him when his parents didn't instruct him to avoid resorting to violence when confronted by adults doing what they've volunteered to do.
 
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