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Nice Planet 2010

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dear god... closet case... probably jealous.... I believe that there are gay radicalists... but wow... even if this kid is a radical... this prosecutor is full on nuts

Somebody better explain to this idiot that unless the student "radicals" are burning down the ROTC building (Kent State) or occupying the president's office (Columbia) or blowing up a building and killing a student (Wisconsin) then all of the post-adolescent murmurings of lefty campus types is so much pizz in the wind, and should be ignored.
 
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Anybody wonder if that toad, Sanchez, has given any thought to the possibility that the reason he was hired by CNN in the first place is his race?
 
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I'm disappointed but not surprised that there would be posters who would apparantly take the side of the Barney Fifes who let a man's house burn down because he hadn't paid the fee. Of course he should have paid. But that doesn't justify alleged fire fighters standing around watching a guy's house burn down. Especially since he offered to pay the fee while they were there, as did some neighbors. For cripes sake they had responded to the fire and then just stood around! How can that ever be the right thing to do?

This doesn't seem to be a matter of "not wanting the government around until you need them," unless those who've posted that notion have some inside information about the guy deliberately refusing to pay. He'd evidently forgotten once or twice in the past, but there's no evidence his failure to pay was some sort of libertarian statement: "I'm not gonna pay, but you've gotta put out a fire on my property anyway." And even if that was on his mind, it would be a simple matter to pass a local ordinance requiring people to pay huge service fees and fines if they use the FD but refuse to pay the modest fee.

What SHOULD happen here is the chief of that department and the mayor should be out of work. And the victim of this crass betrayal (or his insurance company) should find the best lawyer available and bleed this pustule of a community dry. And the state of Tennessee should pass a simple law: fire fighters are required to do their best of put out fires, period. This is a shameful example of bureaucratic hubris.
 
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I'm disappointed but not surprised that there would be posters who would take the side of the Barney Fife's who let a man's house burn down because he hadn't paid the fee. Of course he should have paid. But that doesn't justify alleged fire fighters standing around watching a guy's house burn. down. Especially since he offered to pay the fee while they were there, as did some neighbors.

This doesn't seem to be a matter of "not wanting the government around until you need them," unless those who've posted that notion have some inside information about the guy deliberately refusing to pay. He'd evidently forgotten once or twice in the past, but there's no evidence his failure to pay was some sort of libertarian statement: "I'm not gonna pay, but you've gotta put out a fire on my property anyway." And even if that was on his mind, it would be a simple matter to pass a local ordinance requiring people to pay huge service fees and fines if they use the FD but refuse to pay the modest fee.

What SHOULD happen here is the chief of that department and the mayor should be out of work. And the victim of this crass betrayal (or his insurance company) should find the best lawyer available and bleed this pustule of a community dry. And the state of Tennessee should pass a simple law: fire fighters are required to do their best of put out fires, period. This is a shameful example of bureaucratic hubris.

What kind of precedent would that set though? If you can choose to only pay the fee if your home is in need of protection, why would anyone pay the fee initially?
 
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What kind of precedent would that set though? If you can choose to only pay the fee if your home is in need of protection, why would anyone pay the fee initially?

Precedent, schmeshedent. GD it, you just can't think this was appropriate. No thinking person could approve of fire fighters watching as a guy's house burns down. Or cops watching as someone gets murdered or raped. Or EMTs watching as somebody dies of a heart attack.

Niggling legalisms aside, fire fighters deliberately stood around and let a man's home burn to the ground. I ask again, how can that ever be the right thing to do? Charge and fine the "scofflaws" for using a service they didn't pay for. But don't put people's lives and property at risk. This is "hall monitorism" on steroids.

What did the Beadle say in "Oliver Twist?" I'm paraphrasing: "If the law supposes that the law is a azz, a idiot." Exactly.
 
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I'm disappointed but not surprised that there would be posters who would apparantly take the side of the Barney Fifes who let a man's house burn down because he hadn't paid the fee. Of course he should have paid. But that doesn't justify alleged fire fighters standing around watching a guy's house burn down. Especially since he offered to pay the fee while they were there, as did some neighbors. For cripes sake they had responded to the fire and then just stood around! How can that ever be the right thing to do?

This doesn't seem to be a matter of "not wanting the government around until you need them," unless those who've posted that notion have some inside information about the guy deliberately refusing to pay. He'd evidently forgotten once or twice in the past, but there's no evidence his failure to pay was some sort of libertarian statement: "I'm not gonna pay, but you've gotta put out a fire on my property anyway." And even if that was on his mind, it would be a simple matter to pass a local ordinance requiring people to pay huge service fees and fines if they use the FD but refuse to pay the modest fee.

What SHOULD happen here is the chief of that department and the mayor should be out of work. And the victim of this crass betrayal (or his insurance company) should find the best lawyer available and bleed this pustule of a community dry. And the state of Tennessee should pass a simple law: fire fighters are required to do their best of put out fires, period. This is a shameful example of bureaucratic hubris.

Its what happens when some local politician comes along and promisses to lower taxes, then makes the Fire and EMT services a paid for services instead of just having them give that money to them in taxes.

I would also think that it would cost the people that did pay for the Fire service a few seconds on each call when they're looking at whether or not the caller had paid their dues.
 
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he put his own property at risk when he wouldnt pay for the services until he needed them. and he doesnt even live in that jurisdiction - so the local fire department had no reason to go outside their area to help him.

firefighters put their lives on the line every day. people who dont support them, shouldnt expect anyone to come when their house is on fire
 
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