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Nice Planet 2010
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UncleRay
M-A-I-N-E, GooOOO, Blue!
Re: Nice Planet 2010
I'm reminded of the Hypocratic Oath: "first, do no harm." (Or something like that.) Apparently the firefighters don't feel the same way.
If they had such difficulty collecting the $500 fee when there was a fire it was because the law was poorly written. The bill should go directly to the insurance company, and in the case of default, the FD should be able to take the property.
I'm surprised any insurance company would cover a house that did not have fire coverage if it were available. The exposure there is astronomical. If I'm writing that insurance coverage, it's going to cost him a lot more than an additional $75 a year if he doesn't take the fire coverage.
I thought I read in another article that the $75 fee was required of all homeowners. That would make it a tax. So just roll it into the tax bill.
I'm reminded of the Hypocratic Oath: "first, do no harm." (Or something like that.) Apparently the firefighters don't feel the same way.
If they had such difficulty collecting the $500 fee when there was a fire it was because the law was poorly written. The bill should go directly to the insurance company, and in the case of default, the FD should be able to take the property.
I'm surprised any insurance company would cover a house that did not have fire coverage if it were available. The exposure there is astronomical. If I'm writing that insurance coverage, it's going to cost him a lot more than an additional $75 a year if he doesn't take the fire coverage.
Re: Nice Planet 2010
Violence is authorized. Huntington's is what killed Woody Guthrie.
Violence is authorized. Huntington's is what killed Woody Guthrie.
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There's a definite whiff of Mayberry here. How long to you suppose it will take for the insurance company to file suit against the deepest pockets they can find? I'd say about 5 minutes after the claim is filed.
It may be unfair, but as I've written my posts, I've been thinking about the fire fighters who rushed into the World Trade Center. And these Barney Fifes in Tennessee don't look so good.
There's a definite whiff of Mayberry here. How long to you suppose it will take for the insurance company to file suit against the deepest pockets they can find? I'd say about 5 minutes after the claim is filed.
It may be unfair, but as I've written my posts, I've been thinking about the fire fighters who rushed into the World Trade Center. And these Barney Fifes in Tennessee don't look so good.
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Twitch Boy
Defacing this tagline is a MAX foul
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You-know-who just got a hold of her. The consequences will never be the same.
ETA: Yeah, they got lit up good. Husband has taken the coffin down. Quote from the husband: "We are aware of our ignorance and are paying for it dearly."
You-know-who just got a hold of her. The consequences will never be the same.
ETA: Yeah, they got lit up good. Husband has taken the coffin down. Quote from the husband: "We are aware of our ignorance and are paying for it dearly."
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Re: Nice Planet 2010
What was it the leader of the Good Old Boys says to Belushi: "You're gonna look pretty funny, tryin' to eat corn on the cob WITH NO *********G TEETH.
I swear, you Google "white trash hooker" and that Petkov babe is gonna pop up. Watching the two videos, I think we all know who's wearing the pants in that family.He apologizes, she's inside grinding her teeth. Making a dying child part of your little feud with the Klampetts is so sick, so demented, so unChristian, so just plain mean that it defies description. That woman needs help, seriously.
What was it the leader of the Good Old Boys says to Belushi: "You're gonna look pretty funny, tryin' to eat corn on the cob WITH NO *********G TEETH.
I swear, you Google "white trash hooker" and that Petkov babe is gonna pop up. Watching the two videos, I think we all know who's wearing the pants in that family.He apologizes, she's inside grinding her teeth. Making a dying child part of your little feud with the Klampetts is so sick, so demented, so unChristian, so just plain mean that it defies description. That woman needs help, seriously.
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bronconick
Yep, still here
Re: Nice Planet 2010
Who doesn't want 10,000 boxes? They can use them to get the hell out of the state.
Who doesn't want 10,000 boxes? They can use them to get the hell out of the state.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: Nice Planet 2010
all because they didn't get a text back fast enough to let their kids over to play in the bouncy house?? Honestly people...
all because they didn't get a text back fast enough to let their kids over to play in the bouncy house?? Honestly people...
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Cute how they turned that into a "here's what you get with less government" pitch. Could have said, here is what you get when the government runs your fire department. That the men on the scene would blindly follow the orders of some moron hiding behind a regulation exemplifies the the idiocy of government leadership, not the failing of some poor guy to pay his fee.
Cute how they turned that into a "here's what you get with less government" pitch. Could have said, here is what you get when the government runs your fire department. That the men on the scene would blindly follow the orders of some moron hiding behind a regulation exemplifies the the idiocy of government leadership, not the failing of some poor guy to pay his fee.
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Looks like Mr. Cranick got far less due process than Charles Manson. These asshat "fire fighters" and city officials appointed themselves judge, jury and executioner. It's not like there could have been another possible outcome (except for an unexpected Old Testament deluge).
What's facinating are our liberal posters, so invested in their anti-Tea Party fantasy world and love of government and their desire to judge every incident using that template, that they're arguing that the "fire fighters" did the right thing, or at least didn't do a wrong thing. Defending the indefensible comes so easily to them. Sad, really.
We had war crimes tribunals after WWII that established the principle that "just following orders" wasn't a defense. And it's not a defense for "fire fighters" who stand around watching a man's house burn to the ground either.
Every "fire fighter" and city official involved in this deliberate dereliction of duty should be fired or removed from office. Mr. Cranic or his insurance company should sue the city for every d**m dime they've got. And when he gets his generous settlement, Mr. Cranic should move to the United States, and out of Tennessee.
And our liberal friends, who are always yammering about empathy, should ask themselves how they would feel if they or someone they cared for found themselves in Mr. Cranic's position. It's just possible they'd come up with a different reaction to this outrage.
Looks like Mr. Cranick got far less due process than Charles Manson. These asshat "fire fighters" and city officials appointed themselves judge, jury and executioner. It's not like there could have been another possible outcome (except for an unexpected Old Testament deluge).
What's facinating are our liberal posters, so invested in their anti-Tea Party fantasy world and love of government and their desire to judge every incident using that template, that they're arguing that the "fire fighters" did the right thing, or at least didn't do a wrong thing. Defending the indefensible comes so easily to them. Sad, really.
We had war crimes tribunals after WWII that established the principle that "just following orders" wasn't a defense. And it's not a defense for "fire fighters" who stand around watching a man's house burn to the ground either.
Every "fire fighter" and city official involved in this deliberate dereliction of duty should be fired or removed from office. Mr. Cranic or his insurance company should sue the city for every d**m dime they've got. And when he gets his generous settlement, Mr. Cranic should move to the United States, and out of Tennessee.
And our liberal friends, who are always yammering about empathy, should ask themselves how they would feel if they or someone they cared for found themselves in Mr. Cranic's position. It's just possible they'd come up with a different reaction to this outrage.
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bronconick
Yep, still here
Re: Nice Planet 2010
Yeah, a house isn't a human life. It's property.
And if they're dealing with someone that's not a "subscriber", and out of their jurisdiction (which everything outside of the city is), the life, property and liability insurance of the fire department no longer applies.
So why should the fire fighters risk their lives in a situation where their families get *nothing* if they die, and open the city they work for to lawsuits to save some cheapskate's property?
It's not a small town thing, it's a legal issue.
Yeah, a house isn't a human life. It's property.
And if they're dealing with someone that's not a "subscriber", and out of their jurisdiction (which everything outside of the city is), the life, property and liability insurance of the fire department no longer applies.
So why should the fire fighters risk their lives in a situation where their families get *nothing* if they die, and open the city they work for to lawsuits to save some cheapskate's property?
It's not a small town thing, it's a legal issue.
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When you're in the bottom of a hole, it's generally good practice to stop digging. You, sir, and your legalisms, are full of chit. Another thing that amazes me here is the resolute desire to believe that the victim "refused" to pay his fee. He says he forgot. And it's not like that kind of oversight doesn't occur tens of millions of times every month. You don't know whether he "refused" or not, but that assumption is evidently central to your classless support for these "firefighters."
As to the rest of your assumptions, you're not in a position to know, one way or another. But what's not in dispute or open to second guessing, is "fire fighters" deliberately allowing a home to burn to the ground. And based on their behavior here, you're confident these "fire fighters" would have tried to save people trapped in that home? I'm not.
When you're in the bottom of a hole, it's generally good practice to stop digging. You, sir, and your legalisms, are full of chit. Another thing that amazes me here is the resolute desire to believe that the victim "refused" to pay his fee. He says he forgot. And it's not like that kind of oversight doesn't occur tens of millions of times every month. You don't know whether he "refused" or not, but that assumption is evidently central to your classless support for these "firefighters."
As to the rest of your assumptions, you're not in a position to know, one way or another. But what's not in dispute or open to second guessing, is "fire fighters" deliberately allowing a home to burn to the ground. And based on their behavior here, you're confident these "fire fighters" would have tried to save people trapped in that home? I'm not.
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dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
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Exactly. Come back to me bronconick when your house burns down and tell me it's just property. That's an entire family's history. Their life. It's watching everything you have ever worked for go up in flames. That's a bull**** argument that it was just property. Because it isn't.
Exactly. Come back to me bronconick when your house burns down and tell me it's just property. That's an entire family's history. Their life. It's watching everything you have ever worked for go up in flames. That's a bull**** argument that it was just property. Because it isn't.
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After that massive tornado that hit OKC in May of '99 (327 mph winds, half a mile wide, 5,000 homes flattened) locals made a huge effort to get photos and other personal items back to victims. These items were sometimes found miles from where they originated, but everyone understood you can get a new refrigerator or carpeting for your family room--but those pictures or videos of your parents and kids are irreplaceable.
Normally our liberal friends would be the first to agree, but they see this as a textbook case of the "evils of cutting government," and they've lost all sense of perspective and humanity.
After that massive tornado that hit OKC in May of '99 (327 mph winds, half a mile wide, 5,000 homes flattened) locals made a huge effort to get photos and other personal items back to victims. These items were sometimes found miles from where they originated, but everyone understood you can get a new refrigerator or carpeting for your family room--but those pictures or videos of your parents and kids are irreplaceable.
Normally our liberal friends would be the first to agree, but they see this as a textbook case of the "evils of cutting government," and they've lost all sense of perspective and humanity.
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WeWantMore
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Re: Nice Planet 2010
This really isn't a conservative vs. liberal type of issue. There are conservatives like Jonah Goldberg and Glenn Beck who think the firefighters were in the right, there are conservatives who think they were dead wrong. There are liberals who think the firefighters were right, there are liberals who think they were wrong.
This really isn't a conservative vs. liberal type of issue. There are conservatives like Jonah Goldberg and Glenn Beck who think the firefighters were in the right, there are conservatives who think they were dead wrong. There are liberals who think the firefighters were right, there are liberals who think they were wrong.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: Nice Planet 2010
You're right, tt may not be left vs. right but it's right vs. wrong. It's pathetic and disgusting. I hope these firefighters never have to go through what this family did watching their house burn to the ground but honestly, if it did happen, I wouldn't shed a tear.
You're right, tt may not be left vs. right but it's right vs. wrong. It's pathetic and disgusting. I hope these firefighters never have to go through what this family did watching their house burn to the ground but honestly, if it did happen, I wouldn't shed a tear.
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I'm unaware that Goldberg and Beck support the "fire fighters." I'm surprised at the first, not surprised at the latter. While it's obvious the fee should have been paid, there ought to be ways to deal with delinquency other than allowing someone to lose their home. To me, that's absolutist nonsense.
Most of the "pro" fire fighters posters around here have slipped references to the Tea Party and other giveaways into their comments that lead me to believe they're arguing from the left. I'll concede it's possible some of 'em are conservatives. If so, shame on them.
In my own case, I think I've got sufficient conservative cred to make the statement: no matter what, fire fighters should try to put out fires, period. The head of the national firefighters union (the guy who's on the MDA telethon) calls their actions unbelievably irresponsible. For once, I agree with a union guy.
I'm unaware that Goldberg and Beck support the "fire fighters." I'm surprised at the first, not surprised at the latter. While it's obvious the fee should have been paid, there ought to be ways to deal with delinquency other than allowing someone to lose their home. To me, that's absolutist nonsense.
Most of the "pro" fire fighters posters around here have slipped references to the Tea Party and other giveaways into their comments that lead me to believe they're arguing from the left. I'll concede it's possible some of 'em are conservatives. If so, shame on them.
In my own case, I think I've got sufficient conservative cred to make the statement: no matter what, fire fighters should try to put out fires, period. The head of the national firefighters union (the guy who's on the MDA telethon) calls their actions unbelievably irresponsible. For once, I agree with a union guy.
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Of course. What makes "sense" is to allow these small town peckerwoods to decide that a guy who hasn't paid the fee (for whatever reason) "deserves" to lose everything. Seems a little out of balance to me.
Of course. What makes "sense" is to allow these small town peckerwoods to decide that a guy who hasn't paid the fee (for whatever reason) "deserves" to lose everything. Seems a little out of balance to me.
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