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NHL-CWHL affiliation on the horizon

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Brokentwigg ah, Negative Nancy, um, Constructive Criticism Callista, ya...nice post....Spoke to the father of a top player (one of the best) yesterday and he thinks there is a market for a pro league in women's hockey. Might be wishful thinking, but I hope he is correct. He made reference to some showcase games they have had in the past. Funny, I don't remember them. :)

CanHock, thanks for the positive feedback (never easy to receive when what I say may come across as negative). I too believe that there is a market for a women's league...but what exactly is a "pro" league?? This league has always done well when they have played games in small centres that have an established base for girl's hockey. Usually, these games were held during tournaments or special events..and they would draw..BIG! Well, big compared to the 20 people you would see in Missy, or the 30 people in Vaughan. You would get anywhere from 900 to 2000 people at these games. There were several reasons for this with the biggest being that the CWHL was kept out of the organizing of these events!!

We look at there possibly being a "pro" league. But what exactly is a "pro" league?? Where lies the difference?? This league could have been exceptional if the right people were allowed to do what was necessary in the first year, like organizing a draft, looking to a US division and aligning with the WWHL. All those suggestions were shot down by the player board. "Pro" is just a word. What signifigance does it truly hold? It's just a word.

If you want to build a league, claim to be "Where the Elite Compete", then build it, they (players) will come and you don't need the "Pro" label affixed to it. I see this the same as the ever popular debate in ON regarding Intermediate girls hockey vs Junior Girls hockey...it's all in a name! People make the argument that junior players get paid and that is the reason why it is called junior. Junior is a classification and has nothing to do with income.

As I have said many times. At one end, you had the NWHL. At the other, you have the CWHL. Somewhere in between is the correct structure. The problem with the current format, certain players have just way too much control in the decision making process and are only now looking at alternatives because of the state of the league.

Honestly, $25 a game is nowhere near enough to attract the best players from Europe. But nevertheless, we have enough homegrown talent in Canada and the US to facilitate a wonderful product. The key is that the "leadership" correctly identify and hone in on their target market. That is something that they have failed miserably at.
 
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CanHock, thanks for the positive feedback (never easy to receive when what I say may come across as negative). I too believe that there is a market for a women's league...but what exactly is a "pro" league?? This league has always done well when they have played games in small centres that have an established base for girl's hockey. Usually, these games were held during tournaments or special events..and they would draw..BIG! Well, big compared to the 20 people you would see in Missy, or the 30 people in Vaughan. You would get anywhere from 900 to 2000 people at these games. There were several reasons for this with the biggest being that the CWHL was kept out of the organizing of these events!!

We look at there possibly being a "pro" league. But what exactly is a "pro" league?? Where lies the difference?? This league could have been exceptional if the right people were allowed to do what was necessary in the first year, like organizing a draft, looking to a US division and aligning with the WWHL. All those suggestions were shot down by the player board. "Pro" is just a word. What signifigance does it truly hold? It's just a word.

If you want to build a league, claim to be "Where the Elite Compete", then build it, they (players) will come and you don't need the "Pro" label affixed to it. I see this the same as the ever popular debate in ON regarding Intermediate girls hockey vs Junior Girls hockey...it's all in a name! People make the argument that junior players get paid and that is the reason why it is called junior. Junior is a classification and has nothing to do with income.

As I have said many times. At one end, you had the NWHL. At the other, you have the CWHL. Somewhere in between is the correct structure. The problem with the current format, certain players have just way too much control in the decision making process and are only now looking at alternatives because of the state of the league.

Honestly, $25 a game is nowhere near enough to attract the best players from Europe. But nevertheless, we have enough homegrown talent in Canada and the US to facilitate a wonderful product. The key is that the "leadership" correctly identify and hone in on their target market. That is something that they have failed miserably at.

Then all we have to do is get some big name people, and it should be a piece of cake. It'll take 5 years minimum, trust me, with those big name people in tow for the duration. ;)
 
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Then all we have to do is get some big name people, and it should be a piece of cake. It'll take 5 years minimum, trust me, with those big name people in tow for the duration. ;)

Hey...and we can do it the OWHA way...sit back at a fancy restaurant...oodles of food..healthy appetites and talk about absolutely nothing...:p
 
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Hey...and we can do it the OWHA way...sit back at a fancy restaurant...oodles of food..healthy appetites and talk about absolutely nothing...:p

Lord help us ... if the "O" dinosaurs are allowed to wallow at the CWHL trough this league will be doomed. The first thing that needs to be done is sever all ties with the OWHA ... then go from there... it will take time, but I believe we have the resources to build a quality semi-pro league. Good luck to all involved...!!!
 
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Lord help us ... if the "O" dinosaurs are allowed to wallow at the CWHL trough this league will be doomed. The first thing that needs to be done is sever all ties with the OWHA ... then go from there... it will take time, but I believe we have the resources to build a quality semi-pro league. Good luck to all involved...!!!

I know in the beginning, there was a push to stay away from the OW. The was already in place a quote for insurance which was $30+ dollars cheaper than the OW/HC insurance. Take a look at the cost of your insurance. If it is purchased at the OW/HC premium of $47 and they are making $30 per player, that REALLY adds up!! And to here FR say that they, being the OW, make no money off of insurance premiums, leaves a very bad taste in my mouth!!

The OW, shall I say "weaseled" their way in, were glad to see ppl leave, ppl who pushed for non-OW affiliation, and then placed their own person in charge. Look at the website, look at the Executive Director's email addy. It goes through the OW!!

The OW has a habit of doing nothing until others step in and do it. Then, they get involved to try and make themselves look like the ppl who got this whole thing off the ground. Get rid of the OW, SJS, and the player board and then start to get the ball rolling. Only then, will you have a league that can even be considered to be "elite".
 
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I know in the beginning, there was a push to stay away from the OW. The was already in place a quote for insurance which was $30+ dollars cheaper than the OW/HC insurance. Take a look at the cost of your insurance. If it is purchased at the OW/HC premium of $47 and they are making $30 per player, that REALLY adds up!! And to here FR say that they, being the OW, make no money off of insurance premiums, leaves a very bad taste in my mouth!!

The OW, shall I say "weaseled" their way in, were glad to see ppl leave, ppl who pushed for non-OW affiliation, and then placed their own person in charge. Look at the website, look at the Executive Director's email addy. It goes through the OW!!

The OW has a habit of doing nothing until others step in and do it. Then, they get involved to try and make themselves look like the ppl who got this whole thing off the ground. Get rid of the OW, SJS, and the player board and then start to get the ball rolling. Only then, will you have a league that can even be considered to be "elite".


Think you and I finally found some common ground...I agree wholeheartedly with everything you said. Well put!
 
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Think you and I finally found some common ground...I agree wholeheartedly with everything you said. Well put!

Seymore, I am Constructive Criticism Callista because all the work that I saw to get the CW off the ground has gone up in smoke. The opportunity to build something special was there, but that was wasted!!
 
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Seymore, I am Constructive Criticism Callista because all the work that I saw to get the CW off the ground has gone up in smoke. The opportunity to build something special was there, but that was wasted!!

The same happened to the PWHL. I was privy to some of the original meetings that took place to have a separate "Junior" elite league apart from North Metro. It was pretty exciting.

At first it was just "O" involvement with officiating...now, it's been run down to just another OWHA run version of North Metro...way back when.

Just glad I'm all done with that...but feel sorry for those having to endure it now.
 
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A few defections from the old Missy Chiefs/Aeros on the submitted protected rosters.

This is what I have been told on who was protected and you were allowed to protect 5:

Etobicoke - Botterill, Small and Martine Garland

Brampton - Apps, Hefford, Dupuis, Hosier and Cherie Piper

Burlington - Kellar, Vine, Harrigan and Sommer West

Two "defections" from a team that has been very, very tight over the years. I don't want to read into that too much, but I think that says something!! Was also told that the other GTA team was actively pursuing Botterill as she only committed to her team in the 11th hour. Also heard through a reliable source that confidence by the players in SJS is starting to erode.....finally!!

And despite the saying of one SJS regarding the "amazing talent" coming into the league, I have seen the list, the entire list of players who have registered, and up front there is not too much GTA wise; about 6-7 quality D and a few solid G's. Boston has some decent talent, which is to be expected as it's difficult for American's to play here with no source of income! The only notable new player in MTL would be Julie Chu, albeit, she is a top tier talent!

The one good thing is that the draft is being held at the HHOF. That is the first solid decision in 3 years but honestly, and don't tear me a new you-know-what..LOL, but I sincerely believe that that was the OW's decision to have it at the HHOF.
 
Re: NHL-CWHL affiliation on the horizon

A few defections from the old Missy Chiefs/Aeros on the submitted protected rosters.

This is what I have been told on who was protected and you were allowed to protect 5:

Etobicoke - Botterill, Small and Martine Garland

Brampton - Apps, Hefford, Dupuis, Hosier and Cherie Piper

Burlington - Kellar, Vine, Harrigan and Sommer West

Two "defections" from a team that has been very, very tight over the years. I don't want to read into that too much, but I think that says something!! Was also told that the other GTA team was actively pursuing Botterill as she only committed to her team in the 11th hour. Also heard through a reliable source that confidence by the players in SJS is starting to erode.....finally!!

And despite the saying of one SJS regarding the "amazing talent" coming into the league, I have seen the list, the entire list of players who have registered, and up front there is not too much GTA wise; about 6-7 quality D and a few solid G's. Boston has some decent talent, which is to be expected as it's difficult for American's to play here with no source of income! The only notable new player in MTL would be Julie Chu, albeit, she is a top tier talent!

The one good thing is that the draft is being held at the HHOF. That is the first solid decision in 3 years but honestly, and don't tear me a new you-know-what..LOL, but I sincerely believe that that was the OW's decision to have it at the HHOF.

Oh, and one more thing, the CWHL has asked all who are attending to "arrive early in order to secure a seat". LOL, sorry, I just had to put that one in there. Not being negative Seymore, LOL, just thought that was a tad funny hehehe!
 
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To all prospective CWHL *GTA* players:

The CWHL GTA evaluation skates of July 27 and 28, 2010 were well attended and we thank all that participated.

In preparation for the August 12th inaugural CWHL GTA Draft, the Coaches and GMs of Brampton, Burlington and Toronto (the three GTA teams) have ranked all prospective GTA players. This ranking includes those that participated in the optional evaluation skates plus all others that have indicated an interest in playing for one or more of the GTA centers. The ranking criterion for all GTA prospective players includes the evaluation skates, discussions with previous seasons' team personnel plus an analysis of player statistics.

With respect of the August 12, 2010 Draft, it is being conducted at the Hockey Hall of Fame in Toronto. In attendance will be team personnel from the three GTA teams plus representatives from the Montreal and Boston teams. The event will be covered by numerous media outlets.

All prospective CWHL players are invited to attend this historic event. The drafting starts at 7:00 pm Eastern, so please plan on arriving early to be seated.

We would like to take this opportunity to review the CWHL Draft guidelines:

- Each CWHL team has the opportunity to protect up to five players prior to the Draft that will be secured on the team. In order to be protected, the criteria includes that a player must have played in the CWHL in the last three years.

- The protected players will be announced by each team at the commencement of the Draft.

- Montreal and Boston will then announce there remaining unprotected players that will attend the September tryouts to secure a position on their prospected teams

- should a GTA team elect to protect less than five players, this team is granted the first selection(s) to bring their number to five.

- should more than one GTA team elect to protect less than five players, the team with the least number of named players shall be granted first selection. The selections will alternate between teams until a total of five players are named by each team.

- should GTA teams electing to protect less than five players have named an identical number of players, the first team to select will be determined by a coin toss.

- Once the three GTA teams have each identified their five players, the Draft shall commence.

- The Draft order of selection will be determined by a coin toss.

- Once all players have been drafted to a team, then team tryouts will commence in September

- A second draft will occur on September 30th for all players who missed the original application (they must have filled out the application by September 8th) or have been released from a team after the tryouts.

- This draft will occur between all GM’s on September 30th.

- Final team rosters will be in place on October 5th, 2010

An important point to bring to your attention at this time:

Any player that has expressed interest in playing for one or more of the GTA centers may be drafted by ANY of the GTA teams. The GTA team that drafts you may not have been named in your preference list. It is expected that every drafted player will honor a commitment to play for the team to which they are drafted.

Following the Draft, there is a possibility of trades between GTA centers however there are NO guarantees.

Should you be unwilling to be included in the Draft under the foregoing guidelines, we ask that you immediately notify the CWHL of your desire to be excluded from the Draft and from playing in the CWHL this upcoming season.

We encourage all prospective GTA players to attend the Draft. This is a very exciting time for Women's Hockey and it is all possible because of you, your talent and ability, and your commitment to the sport.

For current information please visit www.CWHL.ca

Sincerely

Brenda Andress
Executive Director of the Canadian Woman's Hockey League
 
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Does anyone know who Brenda Andress is, or her background? I've never heard of her. How did she get this job I wonder?

What is missing is her connection to the OWHA. She has been apart of the OW for a number of years and is tight with the preshistoric regime. That is why she got the job, she does what she is told!
 
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What is missing is her connection to the OWHA. She has been apart of the OW for a number of years and is tight with the preshistoric regime. That is why she got the job, she does what she is told!

Please...please....no...no...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!:( :(
 
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Cannot wait to see who gets picked and where they end up in that draft next week (8/12).
 
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Then all we have to do is get some big name people, and it should be a piece of cake. It'll take 5 years minimum, trust me, with those big name people in tow for the duration. ;)

CanHock,

We should chat as well......

Twiggie
 
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