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NHL-CWHL affiliation on the horizon

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Are you for real????

They did not build this environment...the population was there.....the coaches who know how to develop are 95% male, and their experience is in boys hockey....the hockey schools and training facilities are also mostly run outside of the system.

The OWHA has done nothing of value for girls hockey since the advent of the Olympics. They are just riding the gravy train.

Once again your assertions make no sense. They are responsible for defining the rules and regulations that all of the girl's teams operate under and yet they are irrelevant??

Saying that the people that coach and run hockey camps were not created by them is kind of curious as well. Does that mean that the GTHL or OHF are irrelevant since they didn't create those people either?

The evidence of the success of girls hockey in Ontario is pretty obvious and overwhelming. To assert that the OWHA had nothing to do with that would seem to require at least some sort of evidence to support the assertion.
 
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Once again your assertions make no sense. They are responsible for defining the rules and regulations that all of the girl's teams operate under and yet they are irrelevant??

Saying that the people that coach and run hockey camps were not created by them is kind of curious as well. Does that mean that the GTHL or OHF are irrelevant since they didn't create those people either?

The evidence of the success of girls hockey in Ontario is pretty obvious and overwhelming. To assert that the OWHA had nothing to do with that would seem to require at least some sort of evidence to support the assertion.

It's quite obvious you're firmly on the O bandwagon...and just like the dinosaurs who are running it. .. like a horse and buggy at the Indy 500 ... I doubt we could dissuade your opinion. So, have at it. However, just know, you're the minority I'm afraid. ;)
 
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Once again your assertions make no sense. They are responsible for defining the rules and regulations that all of the girl's teams operate under and yet they are irrelevant??

Saying that the people that coach and run hockey camps were not created by them is kind of curious as well. Does that mean that the GTHL or OHF are irrelevant since they didn't create those people either?

The evidence of the success of girls hockey in Ontario is pretty obvious and overwhelming. To assert that the OWHA had nothing to do with that would seem to require at least some sort of evidence to support the assertion.

You are the one not being rational. The rules and regulations of hockey have been created by Hockey Canada and the OHF. There are very few additional rules developed and imposed by the OWHA, and most of those they have added are dumb ones. For example, suspended players/coaches not being allowed to participate in team practices, parties, etc. Provincial championships where too many mediocre teams can participate, where teams advance by wildcard after being eliminated, and where teams play only 10 minutes periods, which they never do in real games. Extra suspensions routinely applied over and above OHF guidelines. Changing rule applications to suit their whims on appeal, contrary to OHF guidelines, even sometimes overruling referees decisions and replaying key games.

And while we are talking about referees, how about the fact they have done nothing to develop or supervise referees beyond collecting the additional certification fees the decided to charge to ref in the OWHA. Geez, you don't even have to prove you can actually skate to gain referee certification for the OWHA. They could care less if the refs are atrocious, supervision is non-existent. Often the refs don't even show up and their is no penalty. The best refs in the province were trained and developed in the GTHL, and even though they are right there in their backyard the OWHA doggedly resists using them. How is any of this good for the game?

The ONLY thing they have done (or is it not done?) that is a positive, is to make the granting of releases virtually automatic at the end of the season, not requiring residency. I will give them that.

Yes, I give the credit to the development of the girls to the coaches and hockey schools rather than the OWHA. This does not make the GTHL/OMHA or OHF irrelevant. Where do you think all those coaches and camp directors got their training? They are overwhelmingly products of OHL branch systems, ie GTHL, OMHA. The girls benefit greatly from access to these coaches and training options, as a result to the proximity to the local boys system which gave these leaders their training and experience.

Furthermore, a high proportion of the top girls in the PWHL (ie Team Ontario players and D1 recruits), actually spent the better part of their hockey development years directly in the boys hockey systems.

In actual fact, the OWHA does just about everything it can to try to sabotage the recruiting efforts of D1 coaches. Unlike other jurisdictions, it does not share lists of prospects or other information at its camps for scouts. It discourages scouts from attending its events. It discourages CAN-AM type events that the scouts prefer and withholds sanctions for them indefinitely...including Stoney Creek last year. It calls and tries to bully players into going to the CIS instead of the NCAA. It does not help players succeed at all.

Here's the important question: If those who run the OWHA were instead suddenly applying their system in a remote part of Canada or a non-hockey hotbed in the US, do you think the success in that area in developing or placing talent would improve at all? I think not, and I suspect you might be one of the few who might think otherwise.

That's why I think the OWHA has nothing to do with the success of girls in Ontario.
 
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You are the one not being rational. The rules and regulations of hockey have been created by Hockey Canada and the OHF. There are very few additional rules developed and imposed by the OWHA, and most of those they have added are dumb ones. For example, suspended players/coaches not being allowed to participate in team practices, parties, etc. Provincial championships where too many mediocre teams can participate, where teams advance by wildcard after being eliminated, and where teams play only 10 minutes periods, which they never do in real games. Extra suspensions routinely applied over and above OHF guidelines. Changing rule applications to suit their whims on appeal, contrary to OHF guidelines, even sometimes overruling referees decisions and replaying key games.

And while we are talking about referees, how about the fact they have done nothing to develop or supervise referees beyond collecting the additional certification fees the decided to charge to ref in the OWHA. Geez, you don't even have to prove you can actually skate to gain referee certification for the OWHA. They could care less if the refs are atrocious, supervision is non-existent. Often the refs don't even show up and their is no penalty. The best refs in the province were trained and developed in the GTHL, and even though they are right there in their backyard the OWHA doggedly resists using them. How is any of this good for the game?

The ONLY thing they have done (or is it not done?) that is a positive, is to make the granting of releases virtually automatic at the end of the season, not requiring residency. I will give them that.

Yes, I give the credit to the development of the girls to the coaches and hockey schools rather than the OWHA. This does not make the GTHL/OMHA or OHF irrelevant. Where do you think all those coaches and camp directors got their training? They are overwhelmingly products of OHL branch systems, ie GTHL, OMHA. The girls benefit greatly from access to these coaches and training options, as a result to the proximity to the local boys system which gave these leaders their training and experience.

Furthermore, a high proportion of the top girls in the PWHL (ie Team Ontario players and D1 recruits), actually spent the better part of their hockey development years directly in the boys hockey systems.

In actual fact, the OWHA does just about everything it can to try to sabotage the recruiting efforts of D1 coaches. Unlike other jurisdictions, it does not share lists of prospects or other information at its camps for scouts. It discourages scouts from attending its events. It discourages CAN-AM type events that the scouts prefer and withholds sanctions for them indefinitely...including Stoney Creek last year. It calls and tries to bully players into going to the CIS instead of the NCAA. It does not help players succeed at all.

Here's the important question: If those who run the OWHA were instead suddenly applying their system in a remote part of Canada or a non-hockey hotbed in the US, do you think the success in that area in developing or placing talent would improve at all? I think not, and I suspect you might be one of the few who might think otherwise.

That's why I think the OWHA has nothing to do with the success of girls in Ontario.

Wow...Trillium...this is one of the most succinct and accurate posts on the OWHA that I've ever read. You have nailed basically all that is wrong with this organization in a thoughtful and well-written manner. Well done...now, how do we rid ourselves of the two dolts who refuse to leave the O???
 
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Wow...Trillium...this is one of the most succinct and accurate posts on the OWHA that I've ever read. You have nailed basically all that is wrong with this organization in a thoughtful and well-written manner. Well done...now, how do we rid ourselves of the two dolts who refuse to leave the O???

Really the only clever thing they have done is totally self-seving, and that is they have made it impossible for anyone to depose them without their consent. And I don't know anyone with mob ties.;)

By the way, Seymore, in response to your rep (?) I've never turned down the offer of a beer. :D Coincidentally, I just discovered today that they sell Sam Adams in Ontario too.:cool:
 
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And that crappy place where they play the provincials (the one with the time restraints) they practically get to use for nothing. :confused: :mad:
 
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Re :D Coincidentally, I just discovered today that they sell Sam Adams in Ontario too.:cool:

Yeah, they have for a long time. I used to shop at the Beer Store on Mapleview in Barrie. I had to dig under the Creemore and other local brews, or actually dust off the cases. Worth the effort though. No way in hell I was drinking any of the Molson Canadian swill! :p
 
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Yeah, they have for a long time. I used to shop at the Beer Store on Mapleview in Barrie. I had to dig under the Creemore and other local brews, or actually dust off the cases. Worth the effort though. No way in hell I was drinking any of the Molson Canadian swill! :p

Personally, I'm boycotting all Labatt's products, after what they did to Lakeport in Hamilton!!! Maybe we could boycott the OWHA too? :p
 
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Yeah, they have for a long time. I used to shop at the Beer Store on Mapleview in Barrie. I had to dig under the Creemore and other local brews, or actually dust off the cases. Worth the effort though. No way in hell I was drinking any of the Molson Canadian swill! :p

Huxie,...I like you..but don't get me started..LOL!

And the only thing in common between Samuel Adams and the OW leadership....they have been around just as long!!!! But i will tell ya....I would much rather french kiss Sam Adams!!!!
 
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Evaluation skate for the CWHL tomorrow and Wednesday according to the earlier post by Seymore. Maybe someone in the GTA can update us on who participates in this.
 
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About 50 participants reported for evaluation skates this week. High tempo, high quality participants; no Olympians. Rumor is pay will be $50 per game...so, don't give up your day jobs!:eek:
 
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About 50 participants reported for evaluation skates this week. High tempo, high quality participants; no Olympians. Rumor is pay will be $50 per game...so, don't give up your day jobs!:eek:

Not impressed at all. Out of the 120 or so who I have seen on the list..less than a quarter of them are quality. Most could not make a 4 team GTA loop. Kind of sad that this league has alienated and built themselves such a bad rep among the younger players.

My sources say $25 a game is the more accurate amount.......but hey, for the leadership, they want to be paid to play..so now they have their wish..LOL!!

I have a fix. Those players not on the ice, can operate the score clock to add to the income per game. Give me this league, I will get them up to $50. Crap, I am sure some can operate a Zamboni can't they?? That has to be worth $10 alone!!

Really sad but they are responsible for this mess. Not all players, but a few are responsible and they know who they are.
 
Re: NHL-CWHL affiliation on the horizon

About 50 participants reported for evaluation skates this week. High tempo, high quality participants; no Olympians. Rumor is pay will be $50 per game...so, don't give up your day jobs!:eek:

So it wouldn't exactly be a smart idea for me to train really hard for a year and attempt to make the Boston squad next year? lol. I've always been intrigued by the CWHL/WWHL and wanted to play in either league. But I have a great job and play hockey on a regular basis. I've just always wanted to play in a high level women's league.
 
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So it wouldn't exactly be a smart idea for me to train really hard for a year and attempt to make the Boston squad next year? lol. I've always been intrigued by the CWHL/WWHL and wanted to play in either league. But I have a great job and play hockey on a regular basis. I've just always wanted to play in a high level women's league.

As I said before, there were no Olympians and a great number of existing players present at these workouts. I think it was more first time curiosity seekers, etc. I'm sure that if more details were revealled by the organization...hint, hint...that the quality will increase a great deal.

The closer to hockey season it gets, the more the interest and quality will ramp up.

Keep the faith... and don't pay any credence to anything Broken Stick says...that's just the rantings of a frustrated former player who's having trouble catching on somewhere...:p

And yes...don't give up your day job just yet. :)
 
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As I said before, there were no Olympians and a great number of existing players present at these workouts. I think it was more first time curiosity seekers, etc. I'm sure that if more details were revealled by the organization...hint, hint...that the quality will increase a great deal.

The closer to hockey season it gets, the more the interest and quality will ramp up.

Keep the faith... and don't pay any credence to anything Broken Stick says...that's just the rantings of a frustrated former player who's having trouble catching on somewhere...:p

And yes...don't give up your day job just yet. :)

Hahaha...ahhh Seymore...my hockey days are well behind me..but in talking to several players whom I would put in the top tier of players who participated, they are just there for the skate and were kind of intrigued about the $35k that was suggested players would be paid. And if you know the CWHL anywhere near close to how I know it, putting information out there is definitely not a strong point!!

I have watched this league since day 1. And I have heard all the talk about it being a "friends" league, which to be honest over the past few years, it has grown into. There are players who have played in this league that have absolutely NO right to play in it except for the simple fact that they are buddies with players of influence. That is why you won't see too many top tier players coming out to skate, they don't want the politics. All they want is to play some good competitive hockey without all the bs.

Now we have all the talk about an NHL merger and draft. This is more by necessity as this league is hanging on by a thread. The league could have taken some serious steps in the first few years. Getting off the ground for Year 1 was a major undertaking and those individuals should be commended. Those would be players and non-players and not just the 1 player controlling all the media releases.

There is still a long way to go, but believe me, getting some "NEW" leadership in the position to make decisions is a top priority!! Sure, let a certain someone continue to do all the media hoopla about the league, but just ensure that she is reading what is given to her.
 
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Hahaha...ahhh Seymore...my hockey days are well behind me..but in talking to several players whom I would put in the top tier of players who participated, they are just there for the skate and were kind of intrigued about the $35k that was suggested players would be paid. And if you know the CWHL anywhere near close to how I know it, putting information out there is definitely not a strong point!!

I have watched this league since day 1. And I have heard all the talk about it being a "friends" league, which to be honest over the past few years, it has grown into. There are players who have played in this league that have absolutely NO right to play in it except for the simple fact that they are buddies with players of influence. That is why you won't see too many top tier players coming out to skate, they don't want the politics. All they want is to play some good competitive hockey without all the bs.

Now we have all the talk about an NHL merger and draft. This is more by necessity as this league is hanging on by a thread. The league could have taken some serious steps in the first few years. Getting off the ground for Year 1 was a major undertaking and those individuals should be commended. Those would be players and non-players and not just the 1 player controlling all the media releases.

There is still a long way to go, but believe me, getting some "NEW" leadership in the position to make decisions is a top priority!! Sure, let a certain someone continue to do all the media hoopla about the league, but just ensure that she is reading what is given to her.

Brokentwigg ah, Negative Nancy, um, Constructive Criticism Callista, ya...nice post....Spoke to the father of a top player (one of the best) yesterday and he thinks there is a market for a pro league in women's hockey. Might be wishful thinking, but I hope he is correct. He made reference to some showcase games they have had in the past. Funny, I don't remember them. :)
 
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