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NHL-CWHL affiliation on the horizon

Re: NHL-CWHL affiliation on the horizon

Let's clear the air here...

At this point, the NHL has NO desire to financially support the CWHL. It even says in the article that they do not support the current business plan! Duh..this business plan has been self-serving to one individual only.

As well, players were going to be flying to Boston and Bauer had ponied up sponsorship in the form of equipment. This is according to an email from the league. Well, teams have now been told that they are driving to Boston and the whopping sponsorship deal, that is equipment at cost! Whoopee!!

The sooner that SJS and BA are removed the better! This league is going nowhere and the only reason that this article was printed in the first place...personal contacts within the Star from a few nameless individuals. A way to sort of keep the CWHL in people's minds.

And Boston is charging $5 per person for admission?? Let the potential fans keep their $5 and just get the word out! Get people through the doors to watch your games. Potential sponsorship does not care about the 20 people who paid the $5, nor do they care about the $100 made. Free admission would potentially increase your numbers and that is what any potential sponsors want! Put people in the seats first and foremost. There is a lot of competition in the Boston area and despite what SJS and BA want to feed people through the media, this league is far, very, very far from being professional!

As has been said a billion times, you can't believe everything you read in the paper!!
 
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Mrs 86 and I just returned from our trip to the GTA to see some CWHL games. We got lost trying to find our hotel, but thankfully we had allowed enough time to still get to Saturday's game on time. The Saturday game we went to had Brampton hosting Toronto at Cassie Campbell Community Centre. Admission to this one was free, which I thought was a nice gesture to the fans who came out, which, there was a decent crowd. Brampton's line of Gillian Apps, Jayna Hefford, and Cherie Piper was tough, but Toronto hung in there and was down 5-3 in the third period before Brampton got a couple of empty netters at the end. In yesterday's game, Toronto hosted Burlington, who had lost their Saturday contest, so someone was going to get a win. Toronto prevailed 2-1. The price of admission for Sunday's game was $5.00 as advertised, programs with all the team's rosters are only $2.00, which is nice. Concessions are also very reasonable. Trust me on this one, this is coming from someone who pays $4.00 for a little 12-oz bottled water at the OSU football games. After the games, both teams came out for pictures and autographs. We enjoyed the picture sessions, and my nephew will be thrilled with all the autographs I got him. Mrs 86's highlight of the weekend was when a couple of the Toronto players called me out. "Are you on USCHO?" I manned up ... "Yeah, I'm 86." Now that I know some players are reading, I'll have to behave myself (LOL). Needless to say, we had an awesome time watching some great women's hockey. We cannot wait to get up there again for some more games. If we didn't live seven hours away here in central Ohio, I would have shelled out the $50 for a pass to all games. Maybe I should put in for a transfer to my company's Toronto office (LOL). I am sure Mrs 86 could find something up there. Nah, wouldn't want to be that far away from Columbus and my Ohio State Buckeyes. We'll have to be content with the occasional trip to the GTA. Oh, and one more thing, everyone up there was very hospitable, very welcoming ... great people in Canada. We really need to get up there more often. I'd enjoy reading some thoughts from others who were at any of the games.
 
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Mrs 86 and I just returned from our trip to the GTA to see some CWHL games. We got lost trying to find our hotel, but thankfully we had allowed enough time to still get to Saturday's game on time. The Saturday game we went to had Brampton hosting Toronto at Cassie Campbell Community Centre. Admission to this one was free, which I thought was a nice gesture to the fans who came out, which, there was a decent crowd. Brampton's line of Gillian Apps, Jayna Hefford, and Cherie Piper was tough, but Toronto hung in there and was down 5-3 in the third period before Brampton got a couple of empty netters at the end. In yesterday's game, Toronto hosted Burlington, who had lost their Saturday contest, so someone was going to get a win. Toronto prevailed 2-1. The price of admission for Sunday's game was $5.00 as advertised, programs with all the team's rosters are only $2.00, which is nice. Concessions are also very reasonable. Trust me on this one, this is coming from someone who pays $4.00 for a little 12-oz bottled water at the OSU football games. After the games, both teams came out for pictures and autographs. We enjoyed the picture sessions, and my nephew will be thrilled with all the autographs I got him. Mrs 86's highlight of the weekend was when a couple of the Toronto players called me out. "Are you on USCHO?" I manned up ... "Yeah, I'm 86." Now that I know some players are reading, I'll have to behave myself (LOL). Needless to say, we had an awesome time watching some great women's hockey. We cannot wait to get up there again for some more games. If we didn't live seven hours away here in central Ohio, I would have shelled out the $50 for a pass to all games. Maybe I should put in for a transfer to my company's Toronto office (LOL). I am sure Mrs 86 could find something up there. Nah, wouldn't want to be that far away from Columbus and my Ohio State Buckeyes. We'll have to be content with the occasional trip to the GTA. Oh, and one more thing, everyone up there was very hospitable, very welcoming ... great people in Canada. We really need to get up there more often. I'd enjoy reading some thoughts from others who were at any of the games.

WOW...what a great post!! If everyone was as supportive and positive as you, women's hockey would be that much better!! It's so annoying having to deal with all the negativity on this thread. Your summarization was a terrific breath of fresh air!! Womens hockey needs support like yours, not the black clouds that other outsiders seem to bring! Keep up the great attitude!!
 
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WOW...what a great post!! If everyone was as supportive and positive as you, women's hockey would be that much better!! It's so annoying having to deal with all the negativity on this thread. Your summarization was a terrific breath of fresh air!! Womens hockey needs support like yours, not the black clouds that other outsiders seem to bring! Keep up the great attitude!!

Thank you for the kind words, Seymore! We really did have a great time. I thought it was neat that both teams came out for autograph and picture taking after the games, it wasn't just the home teams. The hockey fans who live in the GTA really have a great thing going there, and I sincerely hope they support this league. For the product that is being put on the ice, I don't think you can beat $5.00 a ticket, JMHO. As I said, if we lived in that area, I would be all over that $50 CWHL pass for all games. I will not mention the names here, but there were certain players who really helped Mrs 86 and I make a memory this past weekend, and wholeheartedly appreciated that we had driven up from Ohio to be part of this historic weekend in women's hockey. Mrs 86 is talking about another trip up there for more games and I am hopeful that another trip materializes.
 
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Thank you for the kind words, Seymore! We really did have a great time. I thought it was neat that both teams came out for autograph and picture taking after the games, it wasn't just the home teams. The hockey fans who live in the GTA really have a great thing going there, and I sincerely hope they support this league. For the product that is being put on the ice, I don't think you can beat $5.00 a ticket, JMHO. As I said, if we lived in that area, I would be all over that $50 CWHL pass for all games. I will not mention the names here, but there were certain players who really helped Mrs 86 and I make a memory this past weekend, and wholeheartedly appreciated that we had driven up from Ohio to be part of this historic weekend in women's hockey. Mrs 86 is talking about another trip up there for more games and I am hopeful that another trip materializes.

I'm very happy that you enjoyed your weekend, and found the price of admission good value. That's terrific that the player participation made it extra special.

I do agree with Seymore (yes, miracles do happen everyday) that it is very nice to hear some positive feedback, when there is so much negative. Unfortunately, those of us in the GTA have witnessed so much of the past problems with the CWHL, that we have become quite jaded. It is good to get the perspective of outsiders to balance that.

I too went to one of the CWHL games this weekend. Though the quality is improved versus past years, I still can't say I was greatly impressed though, relative to also watching several PWHL and D1 teams in action recently.

The consolidation of CWHL teams in the GTA has definitely had a noticeable positive impact on the calibre of play, as does the return of the Olympians. However, the CWHL is still not a step up from these other leagues play-wise, which is a continued issue in drawing fans, as well as creating an elite image as a professional-type league. The problem is that watching PWHL is free...and the games between better teams are more exciting, better played from a team perspective, and arguably faster. You can also watch any number of Boys Jr A games in the GTA for $10, and the quality, competitiveness, and speed is night and day better.

It would appear to me that more consolidation in the CWHL may still be necessary. I suspect the Montreal and Boston teams, with more consolidation of talent will dominate the league, and make for less competitive/entertaining matches with GTA teams. I will say that there are a great many truly excellent players in the CWHL whose individual skill is fun to watch, though it appears many are just not in top playing shape, which is an issue too, if you expect significant gate revenues.

Unfortunately, the hullabaloo about the draft in evening up the GTA teams was a complete sham only to get attention, and proved pointless. The same players are essentially playing where they always did, and the teams remain unbalanced, as was expected. A large proportion of drafted players are not playing, and there are several players not participating in the draft at all who are now on one of these teams...or on a team different than they were drafted on--eroding management credibility further.

I am sad to say I am most disappointed in the continued mismanagement and disorganization of the CWHL, and the empty promises continually perpetuated by SJS et al, though I would have loved to have been proven wrong this go-round. I feel bad for the players and coaches who again bought into her latest hype, and signed on (some even moving from Europe!) with the expectation of pay and expenses....only to have it confirmed now that that none of that will happen unless more new sponsors are found this season. (If they failed to get sponsors over the summer, why would sponsors be interested in getting on-board mid-season?)

We walked into the arena to watch a CWHL game last weekend, and were amazed to find that the game was not even posted on the arena board...according to the board, the ice during that time period belonged to another organization. An official for one of the teams commented to me, in frustration, that they were supposed to have the ice at 11 AM, and was not available until 1/2 later. Was this because the OWHA/SJS forgot to book ice--and had to pull strings at the 11th hour to get it from another user? I suspect so. I wonder how many fans may have left, thinking the game was not being played there after all.

I was also surprised to see that both teams did not have complete matching uniforms. Perhaps you may think that a small thing, but this does not EVER happen on any rep teams in the Toronto area at any age or talent level: only house league and beer league hockey. The CWHL players were using a hodgepodge of pants, gloves, and helmets in starking differing colours from their college teams, despite the fact that it was announced during the game that Bauer is a sponsor. Did they forget to order their equipment on a timely basis too? Again, not the way to project a professional image of a quality product.

Most disturbingly, the problems in team organization remain even more basic, and again would not be tolerated in even a quality minor league association. These include no coaches on the bench of one for their league opener, only sporadic attendance of same to practice, and a lack of specificity on how and when the team would be traveling. I wonder too how many coaches might bail now that the promise of $10,000 salary has been reneged? Players are already disillusioned, realizing that not only were the grand expectations a complete fantasy, but that the reality in many respects is more mickey mouse than they would have experienced in their minor hockey days, much less college.

It is great that there was apparently an autograph session after the game, as Osualum indicated. Although I was in the building for the game, I was completely unaware of it. Why was it not advertised at the admission desk? Did I miss it on the loudspeaker during the game? So many opportunities to market the league are not being optimized.

I really do want to see this league succeed. It's just that the players deserve having those capable of making it succeed was actually running it. So my Christmas Wish is for some leadership for the CWHL. It's kind of funny (in a really pathetic kind of way), that now SJS having lost the last shreds of her credibility, is passing all the blame on BA and the OWHA, who never had any.
 
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I was also surprised to see that both teams did not have complete matching uniforms. Perhaps you may think that a small thing, but this does not EVER happen on any rep teams in the Toronto area at any age or talent level: only house league and beer league hockey. The CWHL players were using a hodgepodge of pants, gloves, and helmets in starking differing colours from their college teams, despite the fact that it was announced during the game that Bauer is a sponsor. Did they forget to order their equipment on a timely basis too? Again, not the way to project a professional image of a quality product.

I did notice the uniform situation Sunday (impossible to miss) and thought it was sort of sad that they couldn't get a sponsor to provide uniforms for the girls so that they all matched. You were right, all sorts of different colored hockey shorts and helmets. Mrs 86 and I could tell where everyone played their college hockey because a lot of them had their college stuff on.
 
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I'm very happy that you enjoyed your weekend, and found the price of admission good value. That's terrific that the player participation made it extra special.

I do agree with Seymore (yes, miracles do happen everyday) that it is very nice to hear some positive feedback, when there is so much negative. Unfortunately, those of us in the GTA have witnessed so much of the past problems with the CWHL, that we have become quite jaded. It is good to get the perspective of outsiders to balance that.

I too went to one of the CWHL games this weekend. Though the quality is improved versus past years, I still can't say I was greatly impressed though, relative to also watching several PWHL and D1 teams in action recently.

The consolidation of CWHL teams in the GTA has definitely had a noticeable positive impact on the calibre of play, as does the return of the Olympians. However, the CWHL is still not a step up from these other leagues play-wise, which is a continued issue in drawing fans, as well as creating an elite image as a professional-type league. The problem is that watching PWHL is free...and the games between better teams are more exciting, better played from a team perspective, and arguably faster. You can also watch any number of Boys Jr A games in the GTA for $10, and the quality, competitiveness, and speed is night and day better.

It would appear to me that more consolidation in the CWHL may still be necessary. I suspect the Montreal and Boston teams, with more consolidation of talent will dominate the league, and make for less competitive/entertaining matches with GTA teams. I will say that there are a great many truly excellent players in the CWHL whose individual skill is fun to watch, though it appears many are just not in top playing shape, which is an issue too, if you expect significant gate revenues.

Unfortunately, the hullabaloo about the draft in evening up the GTA teams was a complete sham only to get attention, and proved pointless. The same players are essentially playing where they always did, and the teams remain unbalanced, as was expected. A large proportion of drafted players are not playing, and there are several players not participating in the draft at all who are now on one of these teams...or on a team different than they were drafted on--eroding management credibility further.

I am sad to say I am most disappointed in the continued mismanagement and disorganization of the CWHL, and the empty promises continually perpetuated by SJS et al, though I would have loved to have been proven wrong this go-round. I feel bad for the players and coaches who again bought into her latest hype, and signed on (some even moving from Europe!) with the expectation of pay and expenses....only to have it confirmed now that that none of that will happen unless more new sponsors are found this season. (If they failed to get sponsors over the summer, why would sponsors be interested in getting on-board mid-season?)

We walked into the arena to watch a CWHL game last weekend, and were amazed to find that the game was not even posted on the arena board...according to the board, the ice during that time period belonged to another organization. An official for one of the teams commented to me, in frustration, that they were supposed to have the ice at 11 AM, and was not available until 1/2 later. Was this because the OWHA/SJS forgot to book ice--and had to pull strings at the 11th hour to get it from another user? I suspect so. I wonder how many fans may have left, thinking the game was not being played there after all.

I was also surprised to see that both teams did not have complete matching uniforms. Perhaps you may think that a small thing, but this does not EVER happen on any rep teams in the Toronto area at any age or talent level: only house league and beer league hockey. The CWHL players were using a hodgepodge of pants, gloves, and helmets in starking differing colours from their college teams, despite the fact that it was announced during the game that Bauer is a sponsor. Did they forget to order their equipment on a timely basis too? Again, not the way to project a professional image of a quality product.

Most disturbingly, the problems in team organization remain even more basic, and again would not be tolerated in even a quality minor league association. These include no coaches on the bench of one for their league opener, only sporadic attendance of same to practice, and a lack of specificity on how and when the team would be traveling. I wonder too how many coaches might bail now that the promise of $10,000 salary has been reneged? Players are already disillusioned, realizing that not only were the grand expectations a complete fantasy, but that the reality in many respects is more mickey mouse than they would have experienced in their minor hockey days, much less college.

It is great that there was apparently an autograph session after the game, as Osualum indicated. Although I was in the building for the game, I was completely unaware of it. Why was it not advertised at the admission desk? Did I miss it on the loudspeaker during the game? So many opportunities to market the league are not being optimized.

I really do want to see this league succeed. It's just that the players deserve having those capable of making it succeed was actually running it. So my Christmas Wish is for some leadership for the CWHL. It's kind of funny (in a really pathetic kind of way), that now SJS having lost the last shreds of her credibility, is passing all the blame on BA and the OWHA, who never had any.

Trill, great piece and you are well aware of this leagues trials. Wouldn't be surprised if we have met up at the rink 1 or 2 times!!

We have housed players, free of charge, to try and make this league more competitive. Again, the players deserve more!

And maybe Seymore, I am being negative but I think that this group needs to be pushed in order to step aside and build something credible and something that the girl's would be proud of. That is, before more decide to pack up and go elsewhere to play!

SJS is solely responsible for this mess and she will never, ever accept responsibility for the mess. Her head is just too dam swollen from reading the items in print about her co-founder status, something that I truly think she believes!

How many more empty promises can be made?

The autograph sessions have been there since Day 1. The problem is that they are calling themselves one thing when the product on this ice does not support it! They need to get back to basics, grow the game at the grassroots level and not worry about the cocktail parties looking for sponsors!! Get back to basics which would include new leadership, a new business plan, and thus a new approach!
 
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Interesting discussion...this weekend the Boston franchise is playing in Durham at the Whittemore, vs. Burlington...I for one am very interested in seeing what the game and action will be like, although I'm psyched to see many old friends on the ice skating again. I must say that as thiis is Wednesday, I have yet to see any advertising for the game, however I do not live near campus, but 10 miles away in the largest city near UNH nothing has been seen. The UNH women's team has 2 home games this weekend, and it will be interesting to see how the crowds compare......
 
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Zoofer, for comparison purposes, Toronto @ Brampton drew 450. Admission to that game was free. The other Saturday game, Montreal @ Burlington, had 156 in attendance. I'm not sure if that game was also a freebie for the fans or not. In Sunday's games, Montreal @ Brampton drew 150 and the Burlington @ Toronto game drew 230. As Trillium alluded to, there didn't appear to be a sign at the Mastercard Centre indicating which sheet of ice the game was going to be played on. In fact the players had to warm up on an adjacent rink where the Maple Leafs normally practice. Don't get me wrong, Mrs 86 and I thoroughly enjoyed ourselves this past weekend, but as Trillium and Brokentwigg have pointed out, there are some things that still need to be ironed out in order for this league to succeed and flourish. Let's hope those things get taken care of so this league survives. You'll have to let us know how things go in Boston.
 
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I'm very happy that you enjoyed your weekend, and found the price of admission good value. That's terrific that the player participation made it extra special.

I do agree with Seymore (yes, miracles do happen everyday) that it is very nice to hear some positive feedback, when there is so much negative. Unfortunately, those of us in the GTA have witnessed so much of the past problems with the CWHL, that we have become quite jaded. It is good to get the perspective of outsiders to balance that.

I too went to one of the CWHL games this weekend. Though the quality is improved versus past years, I still can't say I was greatly impressed though, relative to also watching several PWHL and D1 teams in action recently.

The consolidation of CWHL teams in the GTA has definitely had a noticeable positive impact on the calibre of play, as does the return of the Olympians. However, the CWHL is still not a step up from these other leagues play-wise, which is a continued issue in drawing fans, as well as creating an elite image as a professional-type league. The problem is that watching PWHL is free...and the games between better teams are more exciting, better played from a team perspective, and arguably faster. You can also watch any number of Boys Jr A games in the GTA for $10, and the quality, competitiveness, and speed is night and day better.

It would appear to me that more consolidation in the CWHL may still be necessary. I suspect the Montreal and Boston teams, with more consolidation of talent will dominate the league, and make for less competitive/entertaining matches with GTA teams. I will say that there are a great many truly excellent players in the CWHL whose individual skill is fun to watch, though it appears many are just not in top playing shape, which is an issue too, if you expect significant gate revenues.

Unfortunately, the hullabaloo about the draft in evening up the GTA teams was a complete sham only to get attention, and proved pointless. The same players are essentially playing where they always did, and the teams remain unbalanced, as was expected. A large proportion of drafted players are not playing, and there are several players not participating in the draft at all who are now on one of these teams...or on a team different than they were drafted on--eroding management credibility further.

I am sad to say I am most disappointed in the continued mismanagement and disorganization of the CWHL, and the empty promises continually perpetuated by SJS et al, though I would have loved to have been proven wrong this go-round. I feel bad for the players and coaches who again bought into her latest hype, and signed on (some even moving from Europe!) with the expectation of pay and expenses....only to have it confirmed now that that none of that will happen unless more new sponsors are found this season. (If they failed to get sponsors over the summer, why would sponsors be interested in getting on-board mid-season?)

We walked into the arena to watch a CWHL game last weekend, and were amazed to find that the game was not even posted on the arena board...according to the board, the ice during that time period belonged to another organization. An official for one of the teams commented to me, in frustration, that they were supposed to have the ice at 11 AM, and was not available until 1/2 later. Was this because the OWHA/SJS forgot to book ice--and had to pull strings at the 11th hour to get it from another user? I suspect so. I wonder how many fans may have left, thinking the game was not being played there after all.

I was also surprised to see that both teams did not have complete matching uniforms. Perhaps you may think that a small thing, but this does not EVER happen on any rep teams in the Toronto area at any age or talent level: only house league and beer league hockey. The CWHL players were using a hodgepodge of pants, gloves, and helmets in starking differing colours from their college teams, despite the fact that it was announced during the game that Bauer is a sponsor. Did they forget to order their equipment on a timely basis too? Again, not the way to project a professional image of a quality product.

Most disturbingly, the problems in team organization remain even more basic, and again would not be tolerated in even a quality minor league association. These include no coaches on the bench of one for their league opener, only sporadic attendance of same to practice, and a lack of specificity on how and when the team would be traveling. I wonder too how many coaches might bail now that the promise of $10,000 salary has been reneged? Players are already disillusioned, realizing that not only were the grand expectations a complete fantasy, but that the reality in many respects is more mickey mouse than they would have experienced in their minor hockey days, much less college.

It is great that there was apparently an autograph session after the game, as Osualum indicated. Although I was in the building for the game, I was completely unaware of it. Why was it not advertised at the admission desk? Did I miss it on the loudspeaker during the game? So many opportunities to market the league are not being optimized.

I really do want to see this league succeed. It's just that the players deserve having those capable of making it succeed was actually running it. So my Christmas Wish is for some leadership for the CWHL. It's kind of funny (in a really pathetic kind of way), that now SJS having lost the last shreds of her credibility, is passing all the blame on BA and the OWHA, who never had any.

Yikes....take the two front teeth for Christmas, and run.
 
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Given the numbers you quoted osualum, I'm pretty sure that the game this weekend will draw comparably...maybe 300 if lucky...and I don't know if it's free or 5 bucks...it bothers me that a women's league can't get of the ground...if women's softball can have a successful league, soccer and basketball, then how come women's hockey can't? Is it strictly a cosmetic thing because in the other sports you can see that it's a female playing, where you can't see the women through all their gear? Surely it's not only the level of competition and ablility? Just curious.......
 
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The reason is two fold. First, you have a sport that very few of the overall population identify with (have played, even just recreationally). Secondly you have a sport that those that do identify with it, feel is less than that with which they are most familiar since the rules are different(no checking).
 
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Given the numbers you quoted osualum, I'm pretty sure that the game this weekend will draw comparably...maybe 300 if lucky...and I don't know if it's free or 5 bucks...it bothers me that a women's league can't get of the ground...if women's softball can have a successful league, soccer and basketball, then how come women's hockey can't? Is it strictly a cosmetic thing because in the other sports you can see that it's a female playing, where you can't see the women through all their gear? Surely it's not only the level of competition and ablility? Just curious.......

Zoofer, that's an excellent question (why women's professional hockey cannot get to the point that the other women's professional leagues are at). I think those other leagues have some things that the CWHL does not ... solid sponsors who actually do pay for or provide equipment, or backing from a men's pro league (ie. WNBA). Unfortunately, the CWHL does not appear to have either. I really hope that changes in the very near future.
 
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The support can come from the audience at large if they can find their market segment....Hux, that's what I mean with softball...the Southwest enjoys going to the games to watch a different game then hardball, it's the niche for softball enthusiasts, AND it doesn't hurt when they can watch women athletes like Jennie Finch! Sure the women's game isn't the men's game but their technique is as good as the men's without the checks and crashing the net....just a different game to be accepted as such, like the WNBA doesn't have a lot of jamming and alley-oops.....then again maybe it will all come with time....
 
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...it bothers me that a women's league can't get of the ground...if women's softball can have a successful league, soccer and basketball, then how come women's hockey can't? Is it strictly a cosmetic thing because in the other sports you can see that it's a female playing, where you can't see the women through all their gear? Surely it's not only the level of competition and ablility? Just curious.......
I also don't know that I would consider the professional women's soccer league successful at this point, despite (a) being able to see the women and (b) no difference from the men as far as the rules of play. From Wikipedia...
The Women's United Soccer Association, often abbreviated to the WUSA, was the world's first women's soccer league in which all the players were paid as professionals. Founded in February 2000, the league began its first season in April 2001 with eight teams in the United States. The league suspended operations on September 15, 2003, shortly after the end of its third season, after making cumulative losses of around US $100 million.
It then took another 6 years before the WPS (Women's Professional Soccer) was formed, and only two seasons have been played. Average attendance from the first year to the second year was down over 1,000 people per game (over 2,000 per game for the playoffs). Two teams have already folded. This doesn't seem promising to me...
 
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The support can come from the audience at large if they can find their market segment....Hux, that's what I mean with softball...the Southwest enjoys going to the games to watch a different game then hardball, it's the niche for softball enthusiasts, AND it doesn't hurt when they can watch women athletes like Jennie Finch! Sure the women's game isn't the men's game but their technique is as good as the men's without the checks and crashing the net....just a different game to be accepted as such, like the WNBA doesn't have a lot of jamming and alley-oops.....then again maybe it will all come with time....

Lots of people, of both sexes, play softball. It is its own sport, separate from baseball. Again, I think the biggest issue is identification with the sport of hockey. There is enough trouble filling men's pro rinks, either at the NHL, AHL, ECHL etc. level. In areas that aren't your typical hockey hotbeds, you find that much of the crowd is there for the entertainment (kids love the mascots, the t-shirt's getting thrown into the stands etc.) aspect and not so much the game itself. Like NASCAR, a good portion of the casual fans go to see the crash, or in the case of hockey the hits and the fights. The nuances mean absolutely nothing to them. Yes, the women's game is more finesse, but the overall speed is slower. The appeal isn't there. If you can't get a 1000 in the Whitt, WBA, Conte, Matthews, etc. game after game after game, it sure ain't gonna happen with a women's "pro" league that doesn't even pay the coaches, never mind the players.

Bottom line. You are never going to get enough fannies in seats to generate a revenue base, or more importantly attract major sponsors.
 
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