Deutsche Gopher Fan
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if Wes wanted to keep this game under control, well, he lost that in the first period. if you dont want these stupid runs or hits being taken - then quit allowing so many of them to go uncalled. christ.
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NHL 2026: The Olympics Will Be Mammoth!
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Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
What is modern day NHL hockey Alex?
MichVandal
Well-known member
So a dumb question- how can there be a penalty after an offsides? Doesn't the play reset to the offsides so the penalty didn't happen?
unofan
Well-known member
The NHL, correctly for once, doesn't want egregious conduct that happens after a possible reviewed play to go unpunished, so by rule any penalties that happen still get called.
I'm fine with that.
If they want to change it so that it can't result in a penalty shot (because they're essentially after the whistle penalties at that point), I'd be ok with that.
I'm also in favor of changing the rule so that they can't review an offside entry if more than XX seconds have passed since the entry. Because at that point it really didn't impact the play.
Deutsche Gopher Fan
Well-known member
God I love watching Jackson LaCombe . That reverse hit on Hyman last night was a beaut
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Dallas in 6.
MichVandal
Well-known member
But doesn't the play revert the clock back to the time of the offsides?
If goals are disallowed, I just don't understand how penalties are allowed, unless it's some kind of post whistle roughing thing. Especially rewarding a penalty shot for a breakaway that didn't actually happen because of it being offsides. If the play didn't happen, then how did the penalty happen that was not a post whistle roughing?
Given all of the BS they let happen after the whistle, even a tripping would have to be pretty bad to match what they don't call after the whistle.
It's the inconsistency that I honestly don't understand- if that small hook is a penalty when the play should have been whistled dead before that happened, then they should be calling all of the face washing let alone all of the punching. While the hook prevented a scoring chance, it wasn't some kind of terrible post whistle thing.
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
I’d think it’d be difficult to judge if whether a penalty occurred because of the offside zone entry or if it occurred despite the offside zone entry so it’s far easier to just say that all penalties stand.
To be fair, soccer does the same thing with yellow and red cards even if VAR wipes out a play. Though they do make an exception specifically for DOGSO and Stopping A Promising Attack cards (any of those are wiped out).
To be fair, soccer does the same thing with yellow and red cards even if VAR wipes out a play. Though they do make an exception specifically for DOGSO and Stopping A Promising Attack cards (any of those are wiped out).
unofan
Well-known member
Because the rule specifically says they are. And I'm fine with that.
Why are first downs in football dramatically measured with chains while the actual placement of the football is essentially done by a combination of guesses and estimations by the line judges and umpire (And frankly, the initial placement of said chains is an estimate by the chain gang)?
All sports have their quirks. If I were to hazard a guess, we'll see the penalty shot option taken out in a future rules change, but the penalties themselves will still stand.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
I like that the penalties persist. A penalty is relative to the state of the game as it currently exists. You can't back it out, it happened.
I think you slept with my sister so I punch you in the nose*. Then I find out you didn't sleep with my sister. I still punched you; it still counts.
But I think it has interesting philosophical assumptions and consequences.
I'd go farther: statistics like saves and blocked shots should also persist. The player did a thing, in the moment. That is what is attempting to be captured.
However... if you are going to include SOG you need to include the time, so I believe the extra time itself should be granted. If 35 seconds are wiped out, the game should now extend to 60:35. Given the clocks count down it is appropriate to reset them, but official scoring should now include the 35 seconds as having been played, with all the events in the duration counting. Only the goal as a terminating event does not count.
* In reality, I would buy you a beer and tell you c'mon man you can do better.
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
'Cause it's fucking cool, that's why!
However, foul polls should be 100 feet tall and there should be cameras directed exactly along both foul lines for review.
MichVandal
Well-known member
So here's the issue- if there's a positive outcome for the offensive team, it doesn't count. If there's a penalty (negative) for either, it does count. And the clock is reset back to a time before the penalty happened. It's just weird.
That and relative to every other post whistle penalty, many of the penalties that they would call in regular time would not be in post whistle time. If they called a lot more post whistle penalties, then the calls would make more sense.
That and relative to every other post whistle penalty, many of the penalties that they would call in regular time would not be in post whistle time. If they called a lot more post whistle penalties, then the calls would make more sense.