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Jimjamesak said:
Houston has been banded about for years and has an arena so it’s the logical landing point though KC has an arena as well. The NHL was apparently in discussions with Salt Lake City about “expansion” months ago too, though I have no idea where they’d play. The E Center or whatever it’s called now is too small and too far away while the Jazz arena won’t fit a rink and doesn’t have an ice plant AFAIK.
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The Jazz owner has met with Bettman...

The problem with Houston is the arena is owned by the NBA owner. Thus, the hockey team would be merely tenants, and not be able to reap the full benefits of the arena. Unless said NBA owner buys the hockey team...
 
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Russell Jaslow said:
The interesting thing is, $1.9 billion of this $2.1 billion project was going to be privately funded.

It failed due to politics, most likely because of what was already posted -- labor unions.
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From what I’ve read, that 200 million is basically going to need to be spent on clean-up no matter what ends up going there, be it a park, arena, world’s largest carousel, etc. So the Coyotes were asking for a non-team specific fixed cost to be covered, which seems reasonable given the context. Sounds like all they had to do was give it a little tap-tap-tapperoo and bungled it badly.
 
The owner is a developer and the project money was going to his company. It was a pure grift.

Go to Quebec City, cowards.

Move all the southern teams to Hamilton, Kitchener, London, Oshawa, Windsor, and St. Catharines. Stick a team in Brantford and call it the Gretzkys. Make Toronto into the EPL with Golden Crescent derbies every other day.
 
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Spartanforlife4 said:
From what I’ve read, that 200 million is basically going to need to be spent on clean-up no matter what ends up going there, be it a park, arena, world’s largest carousel, etc. So the Coyotes were asking for a non-team specific fixed cost to be covered, which seems reasonable given the context. Sounds like all they had to do was give it a little tap-tap-tapperoo and bungled it badly.
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Yeah the dump is already leeching into the water table I believe.

the signs were nasty- saying the owners were raping Tempe. I don’t feel bad for these owners at all mind you, but that dump needs to get cleaned up anyway
 
Kepler said:
The owner is a developer and the project money was going to his company. It was a pure grift.
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This.

That’s why the labor unions were vehemently against the deal, the owner was undoubtedly going to bring in cheap labor from his construction company and not use local workers.
 
Russell Jaslow said:
The Jazz owner has met with Bettman...

The problem with Houston is the arena is owned by the NBA owner. Thus, the hockey team would be merely tenants, and not be able to reap the full benefits of the arena. Unless said NBA owner buys the hockey team...
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Which, isn't that why the Aeros were moved to Des Moines by the Wild?
 
aparch said:
Which, isn't that why the Aeros were moved to Des Moines by the Wild?
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Well, that and having the AHL team a 3-hour drive away makes callups a lot easier. Will say it's also turned Iowa into a solid Wild fan base on the hockey side of things whereas before it was split between them, Chicago, and the Blues.
 
Russell Jaslow said:
The Jazz owner has met with Bettman...

The problem with Houston is the arena is owned by the NBA owner. Thus, the hockey team would be merely tenants, and not be able to reap the full benefits of the arena. Unless said NBA owner buys the hockey team...
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AFAIK Houston is only happening if the Rockets owner is involved and Fertitta has shown interest in buying a team before.

I don’t see how the Jazz owner can renovate the Delta Center as a suitable hockey arena. Because this isn’t gonna work.
 
aparch said:
No? Spurs had a similar seating setup with the AHL Rampage.
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I'm doing my best to not respond snarkily, but when you're using an AHL arrangement to justify use by an NHL team, it's tough.

No NHL team is foregoing 1/4th of the lower bowl and the $200-1000/ticket + personal seat license fees that go along with that.

Edit: didn't realize the endzone closest to the camera had the same issue, and that the side behind the benches also was missing rows. So it's more like 3/4ths of rink side seats and probably 1/2th the entire lower bowl.

No, there is no way that's acceptable at the NHL level.
 
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unofan said:
Edit: didn't realize the endzone closest to the camera had the same issue, and that the side behind the benches also was missing rows. So it's more like 3/4ths of rink side seats and probably 1/2th the entire lower bowl.

No, there is no way that's acceptable at the NHL level.
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Didn't the Islanders have one end missing as well during their Brooklyn experiment? I seem to remember a car taking up some prime seating as well.

No worries about the snark. (I even await the rustling of Keps feathers when someone calls the Islanders AHL.) The Yotes were playing in a 5k college rink so anything is more acceptable.

Yes, there would be concerns, but Winnipeg seemed to hush "small arena" concerns when they presold three years of season tickets and then committed to upgrading / expanding seating a few years after they got the Thrashers.



SJHovey said:
I think the Rampage were owned by the Spurs. The Spurs company was also the property manager for the arena.
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Yes, I'm pretty sure that was the arrangement.
 
aparch said:
Didn't the Islanders have one end missing as well during their Brooklyn experiment? I seem to remember a car taking up some prime seating as well.

No worries about the snark. (I even await the rustling of Keps feathers when someone calls the Islanders AHL.)
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Nobody is more dismissive of the Islanders than Islander fans.

This is the thing about Mets fans (and presumably Jets fans, though somehow I dodged that bullet): we can never be insulted or slighted. You cannot hurt us. We live in the constant pain of the real; your taunts mean nothing.

What is dead may never die.
 
aparch said:
Didn't the Islanders have one end missing as well during their Brooklyn experiment? I seem to remember a car taking up some prime seating as well.

No worries about the snark. (I even await the rustling of Keps feathers when someone calls the Islanders AHL.) The Yotes were playing in a 5k college rink so anything is more acceptable.

Yes, there would be concerns, but Winnipeg seemed to hush "small arena" concerns when they presold three years of season tickets and then committed to upgrading / expanding seating a few years after they got the Thrashers.



Yes, I'm pretty sure that was the arrangement.
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Winnipeg got the Thrashers because they a) had a suitable (though somewhat small) arena already built and b) an ownership ready to
buy the team.

I’m sure the Jazz owner is willing to buy but they don’t have an arena. They’d essentially be taking the same problem they have with the Coyotes now but in a smaller market.

Houston and KC both have suitable arenas ready right now. Quebec City has an arena but there’s way too many issues with the conferences.
 
Jimjamesak said:
Winnipeg got the Thrashers because they a) had a suitable (though somewhat small) arena already built and b) an ownership ready to
buy the team.

I’m sure the Jazz owner is willing to buy but they don’t have an arena. They’d essentially be taking the same problem they have with the Coyotes now but in a smaller market.

Houston and KC both have suitable arenas ready right now. Quebec City has an arena but there’s way too many issues with the conferences.
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Quebec wouldn’t cause too many issues. Arizona/QC moves to the Atlantic, then probably Detroit gets shipped to the Central. Or you put them in the Metro and Columbus goes west, but Detroit already has history there.

As much as I didn’t enjoy the Wings in the West before, the new scheduling limits a lot of West Coast trips until the playoffs so there wouldn’t be too many 10pm faceoffs. Right now the Wings play 66 games in the eastern time zone. If they moved to the Central that would only be reduced to 56. More games in the central timezone, but 8pm puck drop isn’t terrible. And if my math is right the pacific time zone games only increase from 8 to 12.

Not sure the organization would be happy about losing games with Toronto or Montreal, or going back to 10pm playoff games, but they’ve squandered the chance for 7pm games for nearly a decade now.
 
Spartanforlife4 said:
Quebec wouldn’t cause too many issues. Arizona/QC moves to the Atlantic, then probably Detroit gets shipped to the Central. Or you put them in the Metro and Columbus goes west, but Detroit already has history there.

As much as I didn’t enjoy the Wings in the West before, the new scheduling limits a lot of West Coast trips until the playoffs so there wouldn’t be too many 10pm faceoffs. Right now the Wings play 66 games in the eastern time zone. If they moved to the Central that would only be reduced to 56. More games in the central timezone, but 8pm puck drop isn’t terrible. And if my math is right the pacific time zone games only increase from 8 to 12.

Not sure the organization would be happy about losing games with Toronto or Montreal, or going back to 10pm playoff games, but they’ve squandered the chance for 7pm games for nearly a decade now.
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Detroit and Columbus fought kicking and screaming in the last realignment to be placed in the East, they’re not going back. In fact, I’d bet the Wings would likely go to court to prevent it. And the Western Conference teams aren’t going to play Quebec.

Look, I get people really want the Nordiques back but it’s not happening as long as there are interested parties in other cities.
 
Spartanforlife4 said:
Quebec wouldn’t cause too many issues. Arizona/QC moves to the Atlantic, then probably Detroit gets shipped to the Central. Or you put them in the Metro and Columbus goes west, but Detroit already has history there.

As much as I didn’t enjoy the Wings in the West before, the new scheduling limits a lot of West Coast trips until the playoffs so there wouldn’t be too many 10pm faceoffs. Right now the Wings play 66 games in the eastern time zone. If they moved to the Central that would only be reduced to 56. More games in the central timezone, but 8pm puck drop isn’t terrible. And if my math is right the pacific time zone games only increase from 8 to 12.

Not sure the organization would be happy about losing games with Toronto or Montreal, or going back to 10pm playoff games, but they’ve squandered the chance for 7pm games for nearly a decade now.
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The Obstacles to a Return of the Quebec Nordiques - YouTube
 
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