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NHL 2012: Playoffs! Pick Your Overtime Winners!

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J.D. said:
Roszival was bloodied, but I don't think anything more than that. For a first time offender, maybe a one game suspension. Maybe just a fine.
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I'd like the see the league's chart of how many games a suspension is based on whether someone is bloodied, a broken bone, how many games injured, etc. Guess spilling blood is barely worth mention.
 
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Bob Gray said:
So a play serious injuries happen on would get 3 games, and Torres gets 25 games. I won't try to make sense if this. Guess the NHL doesn't care so much about potential serious injuries.
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Bob, do you not know what a repeat offender is? And do you not understand why someone who has a long history of getting warnings, fines, and suspensions for the exact same hit he used to knock out Hossa would get a much stiffer penalty than a first time offender?

Honestly, I hope you're just trolling and being an annoying fartface on purpose, otherwise you're mental.
 
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J.D. said:
Bob, don't play dumb. You know prior history comes into play--as it should.
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In a small way maybe, but in general I don't agree. If two people do the same offense, give them the same punishment, maybe a little harsher for a repeat offender. But to me it's largely an excuse for throwing the book at an easy target, while letting off others with much less, even those with their own repeat offenses.
 
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You're right. Simply drawing blood really isn't that big of a deal. That's why high sticks that draw blood are double minors and never result in suspensions.
 
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Rimbaud said:
Bob, do you not know what a repeat offender is? And do you not understand why someone who has a long history of getting warnings, fines, and suspensions for the exact same hit he used to knock out Hossa would get a much stiffer penalty than a first time offender?

Honestly, I hope you're just trolling and being an annoying fartface on purpose, otherwise you're mental.
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You're always so courteous.
 
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J.D. said:
You're right. Simply drawing blood really isn't that big of a deal. That's why high sticks that draw blood are double minors and never result in suspensions.
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This wasn't just blood, it was boarding. Guess people forget what can happen when a player is boarded. :rolleyes:
 
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Bob Gray said:
In a small way maybe, but in general I don't agree. If two people do the same offense, give them the same punishment, maybe a little harsher for a repeat offender. But to me it's largely an excuse for throwing the book at an easy target, while letting off others with much less, even those with their own repeat offenses.
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Let me say that I didn't expect 25 games for Torres and think it's harsh. That's as far as I'll go in agreeing with you. Raffi Torres is a puke and gets no sympathy from me. He's not out there to play the game. He's a predator and is out to seek and destroy. I don't respect that.
 
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J.D. said:
Let me say that I didn't expect 25 games for Torres and think it's harsh. That's as far as I'll go in agreeing with you. Raffi Torres is a puke and gets no sympathy from me. He's not out there to play the game. He's a predator and is out to seek and destroy. I don't respect that.
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I have to side with JD on this. I expected 10 at most. 25 is sending a message, I think.
 
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Bob Gray said:
This wasn't just blood, it was boarding. Guess people forget what can happen when a player is boarded. :rolleyes:
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Huh? I know it was boarding...

And yes, it was just blood. Not all boardings are the same (I've seen a lot worse)...and the end result is always considered. Roszival was bloodied but my guess is he'll miss zero time because of it.
 
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Bob Gray said:
You're always so courteous.
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Well, it seem like you're doing one heck of a Scooby impersonation here (now that's a low blow!), so I'm sorry for calling you a fartface.

I agree with you that the NHL is pretty dumb with how they handle initial suspensions. A one game sit down isn't going to teach anyone anything. And a 25 game suspension is only going to (hopefully) teach one guy a lesson. If they started out with say 5 games in the regular season and 2 in the playoffs for hits deemed dirty at a bare minimum, that would be something. But these days, you're correct, it takes a player a talking to, a fine, an inital suspension, and maybe one more suspension before they'd even get a whiff of 5 games...that's 4 players they could significantly injure or attempt to injure before they get to a length of penalty that might make them reconsider those types of hits, or make their team reconsider signing them/playing them anymore.
 
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Gurtholfin said:
Nashville, St. Louis, L.A. & Phoenix?

Ugh...
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PrezdeJohnson09 said:
Nashville, St. Louis, L.A. & Phoenix?

Awesome!

Fixed your post. :)
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Awesome? Well, if you're reflexively for underdog franchises, then clearly yes. But in the next round in the West, it looks like we'll be seeing a lot of immovable object vs. immovable object games. Defensive soccer on ice, anyone? If so, Gurt's "Ugh" may be the more accurate call...
 
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If the Capitals, Panthers, and Senators win their series, 7 of the 8 remaining teams have never won a cup.
 
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Interestingly, I think Phoenix just guaranteed another season in the desert. Atlanta to Winnipeg last year was about as fast as you can relocate a team. Moving them this offseason would probably also require realignment get discussed again (Quebec in the Pacific?), and Bettman/Fehr probably don't want another thing to debate.

On top of that, you're currently looking at May 10th or so for the earliest they could be eliminated and May 25ish and June 8thish for them advancing. That gives you less than three weeks for draft prep and while all of us would assume any buyer in Phoenix, Quebec, Seattle, Kansas City or Mars would beg Tippett and Maloney to stick around, Quebec might have their fans throw a Montreal style hissy fit if they don't speak French fluently enough (I have no idea.) or they like warm weather and quit, who knows.

The irony of them winning the Cup the year before they would move to Quebec would be rich, especially after the Avalanche won the Cup right after leaving Quebec.
 
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Awesome? Well, if you're reflexively for underdog franchises, then clearly yes. But in the next round in the West, it looks like we'll be seeing a lot of immovable object vs. immovable object games. Defensive soccer on ice, anyone? If so, Gurt's "Ugh" may be the more accurate call...
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Oh no! Teams playing defense! How dare they try to have their opponents score less than them!

I'm kidding, there is a little bit of a slow pace with the remaining western team, but they do it well and good for them. I'm more on prezde's side here, but that's because I loathe the Hawks, Sharks and Canucks and I have a general distaste for the Red Wings.
 
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Rimbaud said:
Well, it seem like you're doing one heck of a Scooby impersonation here (now that's a low blow!), so I'm sorry for calling you a fartface.

I agree with you that the NHL is pretty dumb with how they handle initial suspensions. A one game sit down isn't going to teach anyone anything. And a 25 game suspension is only going to (hopefully) teach one guy a lesson. If they started out with say 5 games in the regular season and 2 in the playoffs for hits deemed dirty at a bare minimum, that would be something. But these days, you're correct, it takes a player a talking to, a fine, an inital suspension, and maybe one more suspension before they'd even get a whiff of 5 games...that's 4 players they could significantly injure or attempt to injure before they get to a length of penalty that might make them reconsider those types of hits, or make their team reconsider signing them/playing them anymore.
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I don't have a problem with throwing the book at Torres, as long as they do it to others also, and not just an easy target like Torres. Hayes shouldn't get what Torres got, but if the NHL is really about getting serious on plays that can seriously injure players, they can't just pick the easy targets and wait until a player has a number of offenses before getting serious. The first time there's a hit, like boarding, where a player can get seriously injured, the potential for the serious injury is present there and should be dealt with accordingly. That's where I think making such a big deal about being a repeat offender is a bit of a copout and weakens the message that the NHL is serious about injuries. A player can get hurt badly just as much on a first offense as a fourth offense.

Oh, and let's all savor the Coyotes franchise winning its first playoff series since 1987, and first in Phoenix. That takes some doing to go that long without winning a series. Of course the franchise, which has little margin for error, has made huge mistakes that hampered it, such as having Gretkzy for coach for awhile.
 
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Gurtholfin said:
Nashville, St. Louis, L.A. & Phoenix?

Ugh...
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I look forward to your Blackhawks autopsy.

Crawford isn't why they lost, but I'd like to see an upgrade in goal next year.

Lost in all this: Here's hoping Hossa's career isn't over.
 
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