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NFL 2019: Superb Owl and Offseason

Rover said:
Why do people consider Manning to be a better QB than even Drew Brees, who has better stats? Manning won one SB against the pathetic Bears, one of the worst teams to ever make a SB. His 2nd one he had a dead arm for as the D on Denver won that one. In the meantime Brees went through Manning's Colts to win his and has generally played for an inferior team.
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Christ, how can you hold Manning higher than Montana or even Bradshaw? Hell, I'd take Steve Young over Peyton.
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
Fox took two different teams to the Super Bowl, including the Panthers. He is anything but an awful coach. Kubiak won a Super Bowl in what may have been the finest coaching job in recent history when Peyton was pathetic.

And who are you referring to as the "greatest offensive coach of all time?" Belichick is a defensive coach.

Peyton is probably the greatest regular season QB in recent history. However, he was nothing more than mediocre in the postseason when the pressure (and quality of opponent) ratchets up. That combination does not = GOAT. 6 Super Bowls + 9 Super Bowl appearances + 3 MVPs does, and it is really not even close.
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This post is wrong in every conceivable way lmao.
 
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The fact that Brady is the greatest ever doesn't mean Manning wasn't a great QB. He obviously belongs in the pantheon with Montana, Unitas, Starr, Baugh, and Graham.

The parochial insecurity of Bostonians isn't in their insistence that Brady is the GOAT. He is. It's their insistence that everybody else must suck. They were the same way about Orr.

To sum up: Brady is the greatest and Boston sucks even harder for it, perhaps because of their niggling cognition that the Patriots will always be considered an also-ran franchise. Pittsburgh, Dallas, Green Bay, and even the Giants are great franchises, The Patriots are temporarily wealthy bums to be tossed right back in the alley the day Brady retires. My god, Oakland is a more important franchise than New England and they've sucked for 20 years and are about to be kicked out of their own city.

Boston is a city of losers having one of the greatest streaks in sports history and they awake every day to find than every win brings them no closer to being a respected American city, let alone a world one. That is what is at the bottom of the habitual sand in the swimsuit crack of the Bostonian.
 
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Kepler said:
The fact that Brady is the greatest ever doesn't mean Manning wasn't a great QB. He obviously belongs in the pantheon with Montana, Unitas, Starr, Baugh, and Graham.

The parochial insecurity of Bostonians isn't in their insistence that Brady is the GOAT. He is. It's their insistence that everybody else must suck. They were the same way about Orr.

To sum up: Brady is the greatest and Boston sucks even harder for it, perhaps because of their niggling cognition that the Patriots will always be considered an also-ran franchise. Pittsburgh, Dallas, Green Bay, and even the Giants are great franchises, The Patriots are temporarily wealthy bums to be tossed right back in the alley the day Brady retires. My god, Oakland is a more important franchise than New England and they've sucked for 20 years and are about to be kicked out of their own city.

Boston is a city of losers having one of the greatest streaks in sports history and they awake every day to find than every win brings them no closer to being a respected American city, let alone a world one. That is what is at the bottom of the habitual sand in the swimsuit crack of the Bostonian.
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Umm, I don't think it's the Boston-ers claiming everyone else sucks.
 
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Let it burn, Kep, let it burn! In the meantime I'll try to prepare myself for a time when the Raiders are a more significant franchise than the Patriots (which I think has to involve a time machine set back no later than 1984). :D :D :D
 
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Rover said:
Let it burn, Kep, let it burn! In the meantime I'll try to prepare myself for a time when the Raiders are a more significant franchise than the Patriots (which I think has to involve a time machine set back no later than 1984). :D :D :D
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Psst. Cleveland is a more significant franchise than the Patriots. You can suck for fifty years and still be more important. Whether the city is superior I couldn't say. They are of a kind.
 
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Slap Shot said:
/popcorn


Kep - I don't see anyone here saying, "Brady rules O'Doyle drools" so not sure where that's coming from. :)
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Just his knee-jerk hatred of all things Boston.

Pretty sure he got turned down buy a lot of Boston girls in his younger days. or else lost a girl to a Boston bro.
 
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Titles Argument is always BS to me. And always will be. Team sport, yo. Using the titles argument is saying that Trent Dilfer is better than Marino/Kelly, because TITLES!!!! ;)
As an individual talent, I think Peyton is better than Brady.
 
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The Rube said:
Titles Argument is always BS to me. And always will be. Team sport, yo. Using the titles argument is saying that Trent Dilfer is better than Marino/Kelly, because TITLES!!!! ;)
As an individual talent, I think Peyton is better than Brady.
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Personally I think the idea of identifying someone as the greatest quarterback or greatest running back of all time is silly. As you point out, it's a team sport. Too many variables with respect to coaching and teammates to say that person "x" is better than person "y" when the talent level is close, and even more significantly, when there are generations between when they played. You want to say that Brady is better than Christian Ponder, sure. But you can't reasonably compare someone like Tom Brady with someone like Bart Starr, etc..., at least imho.
 
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The Rube said:
Titles Argument is always BS to me. And always will be. Team sport, yo. Using the titles argument is saying that Trent Dilfer is better than Marino/Kelly, because TITLES!!!! ;)
As an individual talent, I think Peyton is better than Brady.
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I wouldn't solely use titles as the definitive criteria, but it matters. A lot of stats geeks want to compare Bradshaw to whoever and say he wasn't a very good QB. Going 4-0 in SB's and having to beat an insanely good Dallas team twice earns you a spot on the top 10 list IMO.

On the flip side, yes Dan Marino was a great QB who lost his only SB to a dynasty and otherwise was saddled with a senile coach for much of his career. Manning's problem will forever be that he played on a very good team with great offensive talent and a few really good players on D. Much like Favre, and now Aaron Rogers, they "should" have won more than they did given the teams they played for and the competition.
 
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The Rube said:
Titles Argument is always BS to me. And always will be. Team sport, yo. Using the titles argument is saying that Trent Dilfer is better than Marino/Kelly, because TITLES!!!! ;)
As an individual talent, I think Peyton is better than Brady.
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Take the titles away and Brady is still the greatest of all time. It's not even close.
 
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SJHovey said:
Personally I think the idea of identifying someone as the greatest quarterback or greatest running back of all time is silly. As you point out, it's a team sport. Too many variables with respect to coaching and teammates to say that person "x" is better than person "y" when the talent level is close, and even more significantly, when there are generations between when they played. You want to say that Brady is better than Christian Ponder, sure. But you can't reasonably compare someone like Tom Brady with someone like Bart Starr, etc..., at least imho.
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I agree. I have no idea how Unitas compares to Brady for example. I tend to rank them by era (Bradshaw/Staubach, Montana/Elway/Marino, Manning/Brady/Brees/Favre). Can't speak to the older guys (Graham/Unitas/Starr) as I never saw them play.
 
SJHovey said:
Personally I think the idea of identifying someone as the greatest quarterback or greatest running back of all time is silly. As you point out, it's a team sport. Too many variables with respect to coaching and teammates to say that person "x" is better than person "y" when the talent level is close, and even more significantly, when there are generations between when they played. You want to say that Brady is better than Christian Ponder, sure. But you can't reasonably compare someone like Tom Brady with someone like Bart Starr, etc..., at least imho.
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If Bart Starr, as he was then, played in the current game, he'd be an average quarterback, at best.
 
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joecct said:
He had bad experiences at the Boston Garden.
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The best hockey night of my life was at the Gahden, which BTW I loved.

Things that are great about Boston, roughly in order from greatest down:

Matthews Arena
The Gahden (now plowed under by those f-cking barbarians)
The Common
Fenway
The driving (two cars enter the lane, one car leaves)
North End food (not the people)
MIT and Harvard being nearby but not in it
Legal's
Back Bay
The DIY punk scene 70s-90s and hopefully still
Candlepin bowling
The green line (delightfully horrible)
Brookline
The hat shell
The Essex Street Lounge or whatever it's called
Isabella Gardner Museum
July 4th (best city in the world on that day)
The politics (funniest corrupt pols outside of the south)
Berklee
The Bruins, Celtics, and Red Sox (Those are important franchises, Pats. Take note.)


Things that suck about Boston:

Everyone born there
Everything built there since 1959
Everything else
 
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rufus said:
If Bart Starr, as he was then, played in the current game, he'd be an average quarterback, at best.
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If you're saying athletically then there are maybe a handful guys from before 1980 who could survive in the current NFL with its drug-pumped mongoloids.

All you have to know about the difference is that Bronko Nagurski was considered a monster in his day: 6-2 226.

Jim Thorpe and Jim Brown on pure natural talent maybe. Dick Butkus and Deacon Jones on pure violence maybe.
 
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