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NFL 2019-20: The Patriots Are A Terrible 11-3 Team!

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The Rube said:
Dear MN,

We are apparently trying to hold on to the crown. You know what I mean.

Sincerely,
Bills Fans
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I'm not going to argue, but in losing games that actually matter in spectacular fashion the Bills are no match for the Vikings. :(
 
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Slap Shot said:
I'm not going to argue, but in losing games that actually matter in spectacular fashion the Bills are no match for the Vikings. :(
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Might I remind you, that last game you lost, the big one, was completely on you (12th man). ;)

1990 until now, you have zero argument. Zero. 1970-1990, you had the crown. :)
 
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The Rube said:
Might I remind you, that last game you lost, the big one, was completely on you (12th man). ;)

1990 until now, you have zero argument. Zero. 1970-1990, you had the crown. :)
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It's close, but I probably would agree with you that since 1990, the Bills have had the more spectacular fails:

Bills:
Super Bowl XXV - Missed 47 Yard Field Goal that would have won the Super Bowl.
Super Bowl XXVI - MVP loses his helmet before the team decides to take a collective dump in their helmet.
Super Bowl XXVII - Obliterated by the Cowboys.
Super Bowl XXVIII - 4th straight Super Bowl loss.
Music City Miracle
Today - Blow 16 point lead in second half, then rally to tie, then blow it again in OT.

Vikings:
1998 NFC Championship - Missed 38 Yard FG leads to Atlanta getting the tying score, then Vikings kneel to get to OT, where they lose.
2000 NFC Championship - 41-donut.
2009 NFC Championship - Too many men in the huddle as Vikings are driving for game winning score, then Favre pick. Saints then get FG in OT, which leads to rule change.
2015 Wildcard - Missed 27 Yard FG that would have won the game.
2017 NFC Championship - Score on first drive, then let Eagles score 38 unanswered, where Super Bowl would have basically been a home game.

Again, it's close, but since 1990, I'd take the Bills.

Of course, if you include the entire histories, the Vikings blow Buffalo out of the water.
 
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burd said:
So, you got my hopes up. How does it end?

I know it was a good year for college hockey.
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Well, if I get to write the finish, the Vikings then go into Green Bay in the NFC Championship game and embarrass the Packers, before erasing their postseasons' past in Super Bowl LIV, with a victory over the Chiefs...fifty years after the Vikings' first Super Bowl loss...to the Chiefs in Super Bowl IV.

Hockey ends well too. ;) :D
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
It's close, but I probably would agree with you that since 1990, the Bills have had the more spectacular fails:

Bills:
Super Bowl XXV - Missed 47 Yard Field Goal that would have won the Super Bowl.
Super Bowl XXVI - MVP loses his helmet before the team decides to take a collective dump in their helmet.
Super Bowl XXVII - Obliterated by the Cowboys.
Super Bowl XXVIII - 4th straight Super Bowl loss.
Music City Miracle
Today - Blow 16 point lead in second half, then rally to tie, then blow it again in OT.

Vikings:
1998 NFC Championship - Missed 38 Yard FG leads to Atlanta getting the tying score, then Vikings kneel to get to OT, where they lose.
2000 NFC Championship - 41-donut.
2009 NFC Championship - Too many men in the huddle as Vikings are driving for game winning score, then Favre pick. Saints then get FG in OT, which leads to rule change.
2015 Wildcard - Missed 27 Yard FG that would have won the game.
2017 NFC Championship - Score on first drive, then let Eagles score 38 unanswered, where Super Bowl would have basically been a home game.

Again, it's close, but since 1990, I'd take the Bills.

Of course, if you include the entire histories, the Vikings blow Buffalo out of the water.
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You have to look at eras, and that is where I'm coming from. I figure 20 year increments is fair, especially in this day and age of free agency, which really kicked in towards the late 80s/early 90s (Charles Haley, looking at you). The Bills haven't even won a playoff game since '95, and until 2 years ago, hadn't made the playoffs since '99. (BTW, the LAST team to make the playoffs in the 2000s, in the NFL)

Mike Lodish, Tom Brady, and Don Beebe share the title with Haley for most SB appearances on a related note.
 
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The Rube said:
You have to look at eras, and that is where I'm coming from. I figure 20 year increments is fair, especially in this day and age of free agency, which really kicked in towards the late 80s/early 90s (Charles Haley, looking at you). The Bills haven't even won a playoff game since '95, and until 2 years ago, hadn't made the playoffs since '99. (BTW, the LAST team to make the playoffs in the 2000s, in the NFL)

Mike Lodish, Tom Brady, and Don Beebe share the title with Haley for most SB appearances on a related note.
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Well, your eras don't really make sense. You want to use 20 year increments, but then use a 30 year increment to support your position (since 1990). If we are using 20 year increments, then we have 1961-1980 (Vikings in a landslide); 1981-2000 (Bills with a narrow W); and 2001-2020 (Vikings with a solid W). Again, the criteria being losing in the playoffs in spectacular fashion (if you want to talk overall futility, then neither team is really in the conversation).

As to your second point, Tom Brady has 9 Super Bowl Appearance. Lodish and Beebe have only 6, and Haley has only 5.
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
Well, your eras don't really make sense. You want to use 20 year increments, but then use a 30 year increment to support your position (since 1990). If we are using 20 year increments, then we have 1961-1980 (Vikings in a landslide); 1981-2000 (Bills with a narrow W); and 2001-2020 (Vikings with a solid W). Again, the criteria being losing in the playoffs in spectacular fashion (if you want to talk overall futility, then neither team is really in the conversation).

As to your second point, Tom Brady has 9 Super Bowl Appearance. Lodish and Beebe have only 6, and Haley has only 5.
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I have to admit, I quick-googled the SB appearances, so my bad. Haley has six, according to the link I found.
And sh*, is IS 2020. Dammit. Fine. MN 1961 until 1990. Doesn't change my stance. ;)
 
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Odd to see pats players lose this game.

Edelman had the ball in his hands to keep the drive alive, didn’t do it. Then the D could have held T to 3 and out. But now that T has gotten 2 first downs, this is over.
 
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The Rube said:
I have to admit, I quick-googled the SB appearances, so my bad. Haley has six, according to the link I found.
And sh*, is IS 2020. Dammit. Fine. MN 1961 until 1990. Doesn't change my stance. ;)
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Well, if we're now using 30 year increments, then to be fair, we need to wait until the end of next season. The Vikings take 1961-1990 in a landslide. 1991-2020 is to be determined, but the Bills have the narrow advantage.

Who did Haley get his 6 appearances with? I know he got 2 with the 49ers and 3 with the Cowboys. I didn't think he got another one...but I could be wrong.
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
Well, if we're now using 30 year increments, then to be fair, we need to wait until the end of next season. The Vikings take 1961-1990 in a landslide. 1991-2020 is to be determined, but the Bills have the narrow advantage.

Who did Haley get his 6 appearances with? I know he got 2 with the 49ers and 3 with the Cowboys. I didn't think he got another one...but I could be wrong.
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Ok, I misread the link. Haley has won 5 SBs, but has not appeared in 6. All with Cowboys/49ers. Side note: that's the ultimate sports whore. Wow.
 
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Despite the horrifying loss tonight, I still believe in my Pats (5-5 since My Conversion). I will be actively rooting for them in every game they play. Forever.
 
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Kepler said:
Despite the horrifying loss tonight, I still believe in my Pats (5-5 since My Conversion). I will be actively rooting for them in every game they play. Forever.
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I shall never leave my Bills. Believe me, the pain is much more.....1986 and counting......
 
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The Rube said:
Might I remind you, that last game you lost, the big one, was completely on you (12th man). ;)

1990 until now, you have zero argument. Zero. 1970-1990, you had the crown. :)
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That wasn't their last playoff debacle and since the 90's the Bills have been mostly irrelevant and haven't mattered. Since then the Vikings lost other home playoff games under Denny they had no business losing if they had a competent playoff coach on top of all the other royal screw ups.

We can agree to disagree.
 
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Although the title of the thread was a jab at whining Pats fans it was the truth. Pats had a good record but they weren't good.
 
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