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dxmnkd316 said:
Hmm... Interesting... Well, time to step up the punishments. Give it a game suspension (league discretion with regards to intent) with a 1-game escalator each subsequent violation.



Not only that, but we KNOW they eventually kill them. I honestly don't think there's any "could" about it. :D


I fully expected to get reamed for my post. Nice to know there are others out there that think along similar lines.
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I was referring more to the effects of repeated concussions leading to death as opposed to say, a direct hit leading to death. The evidence is still emerging concerning chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE), the brain disease that repeated head hits leads to. Furthermore, the CTE is not, per se, directly killing people but is leading to dementia, Alzheimer's/Parkinson's-type symptoms, etc. which eventually kills you. Side note, some now think that Lou Gehring didn't die of Lou Gehrig's disease (ALS), but rather CTE due to repeated concussions in baseball and football (in college).
 
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icebadger said:
I was referring more to the effects of repeated concussions leading to death as opposed to say, a direct hit leading to death. The evidence is still emerging concerning chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE), the brain disease that repeated head hits leads to. Furthermore, the CTE is not, per se, directly killing people but is leading to dementia, Alzheimer's/Parkinson's-type symptoms, etc. which eventually kills you. Side note, some now think that Lou Gehring didn't die of Lou Gehrig's disease (ALS), but rather CTE due to repeated concussions in baseball and football (in college).
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Yes, this is what I was referring to as well.
 
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icebadger said:
I was referring more to the effects of repeated concussions leading to death as opposed to say, a direct hit leading to death. The evidence is still emerging concerning chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE), the brain disease that repeated head hits leads to. Furthermore, the CTE is not, per se, directly killing people but is leading to dementia, Alzheimer's/Parkinson's-type symptoms, etc. which eventually kills you. Side note, some now think that Lou Gehring didn't die of Lou Gehrig's disease (ALS), but rather CTE due to repeated concussions in baseball and football (in college).
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Well, honestly, look at boxing. You don't need science to show that repeated blows to the head cause trauma and long-lasting effects. And hard body shots are sometimes just as bad as a soft head shot, IMO.

That being said, and here's a big conspiracy theory: it seems that the injury list is bigger as a whole than in past years. Is it because of the NFL's new guidelines, or the impending 18 game schedule (fodder for the anti-extension of the reg season)? ;)
 
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Brenthoven said:
Well, honestly, look at boxing. You don't need science to show that repeated blows to the head cause trauma and long-lasting effects. And hard body shots are sometimes just as bad as a soft head shot, IMO.

That being said, and here's a big conspiracy theory: it seems that the injury list is bigger as a whole than in past years. Is it because of the NFL's new guidelines, or the impending 18 game schedule (fodder for the anti-extension of the reg season)? ;)
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Well, yes, I know that; but apparently no one in the NFL was looking at boxing for the last 75 years. They would say the hits weren't as 'severe' or 'frequent', amongst other excuses. Now the evidence for CTE is out there and the NFL is starting to pay attention. They apparently needed to see the science before they acknowledged what they were condoning.
 
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icebadger said:
Well, yes, I know that; but apparently no one in the NFL was looking at boxing for the last 75 years. They would say the hits weren't as 'severe' or 'frequent', amongst other excuses. Now the evidence for CTE is out there and the NFL is starting to pay attention. They apparently needed to see the science before they acknowledged what they were condoning.
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And the fans didn't help. I admit, I hear Deacon Jones saying "I wanna kill the quarterback. What's a slap upside the head gonna do?!" (now an illegal move), and I cheer him on. I wanna see decimation, hard hits, someone feel the pain.

But I don't want injuries. There's a fine line, and I'm on it. I've camped on it for the past few years. I want my team's opponent to forget their number, and remember his tackler's number. You know?
 
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Brenthoven said:
Way to take a stand. :p
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What? :D Just because you offered a choice doesn't mean I can't think they are both true. I honestly do think it's both.

icebadger said:
Well, yes, I know that; but apparently no one in the NFL was looking at boxing for the last 75 years. They would say the hits weren't as 'severe' or 'frequent', amongst other excuses. Now the evidence for CTE is out there and the NFL is starting to pay attention. They apparently needed to see the science before they acknowledged what they were condoning.
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That and the evidience is now starting to suggest that it isn't even these "devastating" blows that are causing it. Even linemen who are taking repeated hits, yet are much less "devastating" than the ones we saw on Sunday, are showing evidence of CTE. It's simply the repeated blows to the head, no matter the force.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
What? :D Just because you offered a choice doesn't mean I can't think they are both true. I honestly do think it's both.



That and the evidience is now starting to suggest that it isn't even these "devastating" blows that are causing it. Even linemen who are taking repeated hits, yet are much less "devastating" than the ones we saw on Sunday, are showing evidence of CTE. It's simply the repeated blows to the head, no matter the force.
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I iknow. More drama this way, however. ;)

And we all have heard of players not being able to get out of bed when they retire. And now we are finally hearing about them en masse, because they finally figured out they have some compensation owed to them (correctly). I am sad about the pioneers of the sport, the ones who were probably crippled at the age of 40, due to the game as it was played. It's really sad.
 
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Brenthoven said:
Well, honestly, look at boxing. You don't need science to show that repeated blows to the head cause trauma and long-lasting effects. And hard body shots are sometimes just as bad as a soft head shot, IMO.

That being said, and here's a big conspiracy theory: it seems that the injury list is bigger as a whole than in past years. Is it because of the NFL's new guidelines, or the impending 18 game schedule (fodder for the anti-extension of the reg season)? ;)
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The HBO Real Sports segment on ALS and brain injuries was one of the most insightful episodes I've watched...that the researchers, from BU, were able to identify the toxic proteins caused by brain trauma and then find them in the spinal cord of ALS victims who were footballplayers or boxers is a pretty good start on cause and effect. That they also found the same issue with soccer players in Italy who also died of ALS type causes gives further credence that there is something to the relationship between head trauma and ALS. When they read the accounts of how many times Lou Gehrig was hit in the head, sometimes lying unconcious for 5 minutes, it was another connection.

edit: anybody watching the former cowboys player in that episode would say the NFL should do more to prevent head injuries
 
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Dunta Robinson said he didn't lead with his helmet on the hit against DeSean Jackson. He must have really been concussed because that's EXACTLY what he did. He put his helmet down and drove it into DeSean Jackson.

Idiot.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Dunta Robinson said he didn't lead with his helmet on the hit against DeSean Jackson. He must have really been concussed because that's EXACTLY what he did. He put his helmet down and drove it into DeSean Jackson.

Idiot.
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Most of the players and former players now spouting off on ESPN seem to be idiots. Later in life, they'll look back and (maybe/maybe not) remember the idiotic before of their younger years.
 
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icebadger said:
Most of the players and former players now spouting off on ESPN seem to be idiots. Later in life, they'll look back and (maybe/maybe not) remember the idiotic before of their younger years.
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Of all the former players from ANY sport on ESPN, I think I like two: John Kruk and Kirk Herbstreit.
 
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icebadger said:
I agree. The reason these types of hits weren't illegal before is that science wasn't sophisticated enough to figure out that these hits could eventually kill you. Now we know they can. Time to control it. Now...if only Aaron Rodgers could get a call or two (see last play vs Cards in playoffs; concussion hit vs 'Skins).
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Except it's not necessarily the one-off "devastating hits" that cause the brain to turn to slush. It's the repeated little ones that occur without giving the brain time to heal - linemen in particular seem to suffer from the constant contact on the line of scrimmage.
 
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James Harrison was excused from practice by the Steelers. He's really taking this hitting thing hard. His agent told ESPN that he is contemplating retirement.
 
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Very classy of the NFL to sell photographs of illegal hits. Anything for a buck, I guess.
 
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I've never played organized football, so maybe I don't understand the culture here...

I would really like to know why the defenders are taking this so personally... My understanding of tackling is that you should always look at who you are hitting... This is taught when the pads are first put on at age 9 or 10... Why is this such a hard thing for NFL level defenders to do? I have heard several "experts" talk about how fundamentally flawed DBs and LBs are... So why the massive objection :confused:
 
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Not a big fan of Schlereth, but he's pretty on the money here.
 
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RaceBoarder said:
I've never played organized football, so maybe I don't understand the culture here...

I would really like to know why the defenders are taking this so personally... My understanding of tackling is that you should always look at who you are hitting... This is taught when the pads are first put on at age 9 or 10... Why is this such a hard thing for NFL level defenders to do? I have heard several "experts" talk about how fundamentally flawed DBs and LBs are... So why the massive objection :confused:
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sometimes LBs, but certainly DBs are not trying to tackle - but instead trying to separate. especially in zone coverage where the safety is sitting back, there is no use in tackling the man, in that case you are conceding the yardage. instead if you hit the receiver and cause him to drop the pass, you are doing your job. no gain, next down.

--and i think everyone should realize already what harrison was talking about without me typing it out. i know i brought this up with my kids when they started playing non contact sports (like all kids should) such as ice hockey and dek hockey. "is it pain or injury?" they will get hit with the puck or ball, and it hurts. but you are not injured. you can continue playing. if you are injured, then you can go down. if you are just in pain, you keep playing until your shift is over.

harrison is not trying to injure. he is trying to bring pain.
 
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