NFL 2010: $25K Fine For Talking About Fines

[unofan]

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More interesting to me than the stat that ~half the super bowls have been won by a first round quarterback...a whopping 75% were won by a starting quarterback that was drafted by the team that won. The funniest thing I noticed in this research is that Tampa Bay has drafted 3 super bowl winning quarterbacks yet didn't draft the one that actually won it for them.

Here are the 10 Quarterbacks to win on a different team than the one that drafted them:

Jim Plunkett
Steve Young
Len Dawson
Trent Dilfer
Doug Williams
Drew Brees
Brett Favre
Joe Theismann
Brad Johnson
Kurt Warner

John Elway doesn't count?

 

[jmh]

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John Elway doesn't count?

Eli Manning is the same situation.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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Eli Manning is the same situation.

John Elway doesn't count?

I don't think so, Joe Theismann might fit into this category as well since he was not drafted by the Redskins but never played a down for the Dolphins...Elway and Manning though never played a down for the team that drafted them and were available for their first game as a pro regardless of team.

 

[WeWantMore]

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Marvin Lewis will return to Cincinnati next year.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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Eli Manning is the same situation.

The strike is having a huge effect on coaching decisions this season. Honestly, I am surprised the 49ers fired Singletary because of the pending lockout situation.

 

[Handyman]

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OK, but those guys who listed... hardly a distinguished list, other than Warner. Dilfer was a game manager when he won the Super Bowl, Hasselbeck is crap, Chandler was crap, Collins is and was OK. Brees was just a massive brain fart by the Chargers for not realizing what they had (and, really, by the whole NFL for deciding he was too short to be an NFL QB). I think the point, really, is that *great* QBs rarely change teams in their prime, whether you got them early in the draft like Manning (Peyton, that is, Eli isn't what I'd call "great") or in the middle like Favre or late like Staubach. Maybe you'll find an effective game manager like Dilfer or Chandler (and if you just want a game manager to hand the ball to AP then you may as well just stick with Jackson), but guys like Brees or Warner who just fall into your lap are few and far between. Look, maybe Kolb will turn out to be really good, and maybe the Eagles don't realize this and will let him go for a reasonable cost anyway, but generally speaking if a team lets a QB go at that kind of an age, it's because they've figured out that the guy isn't that good, and especially with a guy who knows QBs pretty well like Reid, I'm inclined to believe that he's probably right if that's what he's concluded.

So let me get this straight, he asks a question, I answer it then you change the rules of the question because you dont like the answer? He didnt ask who went from one team to another and became a superstar, he asked who did it and took the team to the Super Bowl. Oh and that game manager Chandler was a Pro Bowler in 97 and 98...they usually dont give that to game managers. (maybe it is because he threw for ****ed near 6000 yards those two years and 45 tds)

You want to argue the merits that is a different discussion. He asked what 1 + 1 was and I told him 2. No one is saying Kolb has to come in and be Brees, he needs to come in and be Kerry Collins which is a ton better than TJack and Webb.

 

[jmh]

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So let me get this straight, he asks a question, I answer it then you change the rules of the question because you dont like the answer? He didnt ask who went from one team to another and became a superstar, he asked who did it and took the team to the Super Bowl. Oh and that game manager Chandler was a Pro Bowler in 97 and 98...they usually dont give that to game managers. (maybe it is because he threw for ****ed near 6000 yards those two years and 45 tds)

You want to argue the merits that is a different discussion. He asked what 1 + 1 was and I told him 2. No one is saying Kolb has to come in and be Brees, he needs to come in and be Kerry Collins which is a ton better than TJack and Webb.

I wasn't aware that there were rules. We're having a discussion, not a criminal trial.

If you want to just talk about what we were talking about to start, then I'll just say that the number of QBs who were drafted in the first round and then won the Super Bowl does not even remotely prove what you intended it to.

 

[Slap Shot]

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Handy, I will quote myself:

The QB of the future doesn't have to come at 12 - they can trade up/down or get a gem in the 2nd or whatever.

I didn't say the Vikings have to get a SB winning QB from the 1st round (he could come from any round) I said more than likely he's not going to come via trade or FA after a certain age. Most of the big time QBs in the NFL right now are either playing for the team that drafted them or were acquired sooner rather than later. You can disagree with jmh all you want, but he nailed my premise.

 

[Handyman]

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And I proved your other premise wrong when I named quite a few QBS that joined teams after 26 and won or went to SBs.

Lets just call it a tie.

 

[Priceless]

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Lets just call it a tie.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

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So Gregg Easterbrook is pretty much a total doosh-nozzle (see: here and, well... probably every column he's ever written)

Yet, I can't help but take his side here (just the bolded parts, not the parts where Easterbrook is reminding us all that he's a total arse-hat):

The Associated Press is about to announce the formal MVP award, and there's just a tiny chance it will be won by a quarterback. Like the Heisman, the NFL MVP almost always goes to a quarterback or running back. Since the award began in 1957, all winners except defensive tackle Alan Page (1971), place-kicker Mark Moseley (1982) and linebacker Lawrence Taylor (1986) have been either quarterbacks or running backs. Football is a team sport, and generally 19 of the 22 players on the field are not quarterbacks or running backs. But these two positions monopolize recognition.

Quarterback and running back monopolize awards in part because, just like spectators, most sportswriters and sportscasters never look away from the ball. Ninety percent of football action occurs away from the ball -- but most who comment on football for a living never look there. TMQ keeps his eyes off the ball. You should try it sometime.

The crazy son of a ***** has a point, if you ask me. On one hand, it is true that the quarterback is the most important player on the field. But to what extent? There is a LOT of territory between every player on a 53 man roster getting equal credit for a team's success and failure (about 1.9%, if you wanted to put a number on it) and giving the quarterback 100% of the credit for wins and losses (the Packers didn't beat the Bears this Sunday, Aaron Rodgers beat Jay Cutler...).

There are a lot of times when I feel like everyone, from casual fans to sportscasters to the AP, takes the "quarterback is the most important player" argument and takes it way too far.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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So Gregg Easterbrook is pretty much a total doosh-nozzle (see: here and, well... probably every column he's ever written)

Yet, I can't help but take his side here (just the bolded parts, not the parts where Easterbrook is reminding us all that he's a total arse-hat):


The crazy son of a ***** has a point, if you ask me. On one hand, it is true that the quarterback is the most important player on the field. But to what extent? There is a LOT of territory between every player on a 53 man roster getting equal credit for a team's success and failure (about 1.9%, if you wanted to put a number on it) and giving the quarterback 100% of the credit for wins and losses (the Packers didn't beat the Bears this Sunday, Aaron Rodgers beat Jay Cutler...).

There are a lot of times when I feel like everyone, from casual fans to sportscasters to the AP, takes the "quarterback is the most important player" argument and takes it way too far.

Its **** near impossible in this day and age to watch the game that the we should on tv. If TV allowed fans to watch from the end zone (behind the quarterback) like video games are played. You can see plays develop, your eyes notice more off the ball things. Its really the best part about attending games...you don't have to watch from the networks want you to see.

 

[Handyman]

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But if you are at the games you dont get to hear from the NFL announcers how every NFL player is the best and how every play they make is amazing! Plus how can you know what happened if you cant have 4 replays of even the most mundane catch?

 

[Jason A]

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Cable gone:

AdamSchefter
Filed to ESPN: Raiders informed Tom Cable they will not pick up the option in his contract. He no longer is the Raiders head coach.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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But if you are at the games you dont get to hear from the NFL announcers how every NFL player is the best and how every play they make is amazing! Plus how can you know what happened if you cant have 4 replays of even the most mundane catch?

Haha, I don't think there is a single set of announcers that I like listening to, they dumb things down too far. Granted not everyone has dissected football as much as I have but still the announcers are just annoying. Its not like we're allowed to watch the game they do so how can we see what they see? Replays can be nice but maybe they should actually allow us to watch plays with a wider angle, I thought that was one of the huge benefits of widescreen tvs it hasn't really helped at all.

 

[jmh]

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So Gregg Easterbrook is pretty much a total doosh-nozzle (see: here and, well... probably every column he's ever written)

He's pretty arrogant, but he's also right about a lot of things (this stuff, issues related to concussions, preposterous punts, Bill Belichick simultaneously being a genius and an insufferable ***** to pick a few examples that come readily to mind). Sometimes you have to take the bad with the good.

 

[Biddco]

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Haha, I don't think there is a single set of announcers that I like listening to, they dumb things down too far. Granted not everyone has dissected football as much as I have but still the announcers are just annoying. Its not like we're allowed to watch the game they do so how can we see what they see? Replays can be nice but maybe they should actually allow us to watch plays with a wider angle, I thought that was one of the huge benefits of widescreen tvs it hasn't really helped at all.

When did you dissect football?

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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When did you dissect football?

I was a undergraduate assistant coach at Michigan Tech for 3 years and cut film for most of those 3 years. I also helped out a high school team while I was on co-op. I love dissecting film. If I lived closer to my buddy in Wausau, WI...I'd probably still be coaching in some capacity.

 

[NMU8405]

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Tucker Carlson said that he went too far saying Vick should have been executed, but compared Vick to a child molester this time.

 

[Slap Shot]

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Lets just call it a tie.

Yeah, no.